Donna,

You're so right. And if one does their homework, they will find that pups from a show/breeder are considerably less.

I like you screen my new families and have a waiting list since I only breed 1 or 2 litters a year. I do abhor it when the first thing I hear out of an inquiring person "How much are your dogs".

My first responsibility is my dogs, 2nd is to educate potential new families. I too tell them to be selective with their breeder, yes breeder. And as you said before you aren't only obtaining a new pup you are obtaining a relationship with your breeder. The deal isn't finished when they walk out the door with their new pup, as a reputable breeder you are available to them 7x24. I offer free grooming for the pups for the rest of their lives....good way for me to keep on eye on them.

Sorry I'm so cranky this morning, but that post really got on my nerves seeing that I'm hand rearing a 2 oz. puppy and feeding every hour during the day and every 2 hours at night. So yeah I'm a little cranky on this isssue.

I believe for a planned c-section and not a emergency.. Also they are a small clinic .. I'm sure If I went to another one it would be greater.. It also helps that my aunt know him:D

I could see why you would be on your last nerve. Most just don't understand all the work that goes along with each litter. And that isn't to mention the cost. Most of us do it as a passion, because a money maker it isn't.

I feel sorry for anyone who gets upset when someone desires to pay what they can afford for a Yorkie. How can you get offended by someone asking for what they think is a fair price?

For a pet quality dog from a show breeder who was champion sired i payed 300$. For a show quality dog from that same litter it would have cost me anywhere from 3000$ and up. Look at the difference in cost. This is what bugs me about this issue. If we are talking about a pet why charge so much? there is no equality and fairness in charging someone the same price for a pet and as a show dog.

Yet somehow this system is creating a breed of healthy dogs that the poor cannot afford unless the forgo a house payment or two. Then people want to be hipocritical and sometimes say if you cant afford one dont buy one. Then when poor people or working class people end up buying from a pet store after their prices drop and the dog has been sitting there for months,you also want to gripe.

If I ever breed I will make sure i tell people why i charge what i charge for the pup. when it comes to a life i think they have a right to know and it will also give them peace of mind when paying whatever price. I also wont turn down a poor family or working class family that can offer the same love and support because they don't have 2000.00 to throw away, but in all other circumstances could afford food and basic care for the pup.

I mean 2000$ is like 1520lbs of dog food to me

To each his own... I too paid over $1000 for Meka and I would do it again. If you want something, regardless of price - its your right to splurge. I mean, celebrities/people who can afford it will pay anywhere from $5k for a pair of socks to $10k for a Hermes tie... which seems crazy... Or what about the new Louis Vioutton - a purse, just a purse for over $40k... Its America honey, times have changed and $$$ makes the world go round...

Oh man! I just better not reply to that!

i totally agree is like an extended family i keep in touch with the breeder i got lacey from and cant wait to go up and show her to them again. we email and talk all the time and its great! i am so glad i got that instant in love feeling with my puppy and the breeder is so sweet to top it off :)

JUST MY OPINION!!!!

I understand why some people are mad that they pay alot for a dog... Because at the end some dogs doesn't look like a good 'repersentation' of the standard... And it is like why are they breeding two standard dogs and creating more then they pay all of the bills and whatnot and say how much work they put in the dogs and blah blah blah but why are you breeding those dogs?! They look good but there coat isn't the best their topline and face is.... And I see lots of breeders pay alot for a litter but come on... you shouldn't have to because you shouldn't have bred the dogs..... And I think some breeders use YT to get sells by making friends then selling them that way... Not all breeders but some.. I'm not talking about show breeders because your dogs look like the breed with maybe a fault or two but most breeders has many faults and then say they are breeding because of this or that aren't out to make money. Your not really doing anything great because your only making more pet quality dogss.... Again My opinion and this in not towards anyone.. JMO

ETA: and some breeders use AKC to show that their dogs are purebred and just b/c they are pure doesn't mean they will look like good examples of the breed and is another reason why they are charging high prices... I know AKC has a high standard but still you can have 'ugly' quality and still be with AKC

Sorry if knowing what price you charge bugs you. but me as a person who watched every penny i spend would want to know first how much you charge so that I don't waste your time anymore if i know that that price is one i cant afford. No need in asking questions and getting myself all excited to find out you charge more than i can afford.

For me that is a very smart question. At that point i can see if this is really the breed for me and figure out is another less popular breed will make me happy.

I mean really, not asking the price is like taking a spin in a Lamborghini and hoping that it doesn't cost over 25,000$. Then when you find that indeed its way more than you thought u find that you have wasted your time and the sales person's time... in the case of a yorkie its like a waste of getting ur hopes up.

Hello all I have been reading threw this thread and I do see both sides to this. I bought my not full blooded yorkie for two hundred and the lady said she "might be pregnant" and I am sure that some of you read my "help" thread a few weeks back. I would just like to say that I had a pretty smooth delivery compared to lots of breeders on here and I can see where all the money is in these dogs and all of the time, love worry, swet and tears, breeding dogs is not cheap by any means although some may be cheaper than others. I do have to say also I can see wanting to charge more for your pups so that you feel your babies are going to better homes, if some one pays $1000 for a pup there not just going to send it to the shelter next month. I also understand not wanting to spend that much of our hard earned money on a pup. It is such a toss up! I only spent 200 dollars on my baby and to me she is worth many more times that, But thats not saying that if I fell in love with a pup that was triple the price I would probally save, save, save!

Well i didn't say that to argue but as a person that watched money I rather throw away my money on something that is worth it and that i have no regrets on spending.

I rather a breeder sale me a Yorkie for 500, knowing that i still have 1500 of disposable income to spend if the dog needs medical attention.

I live pay check to pay check myself. I'm middle class and make NO MONEY on a litter of puppies but I can't afford to place one for $300 either. I show my dogs and love my dogs dearly so I am VERY selective to where they go. If you can't afford my price then you can't afford a puppy for the rest of it's life either because you'll pay more than my asking price over the course of a yorkie's life. Now if you want a retired show dog from me then I might be able to place one for that price :)
It takes everything I've got to make sure my dogs are healthy first then I will consider the home. Like Mary said it's a relationship you build with a potential new home for your puppy.
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Why it upsets me is because to me it seems the person is not concerned about the quality of the pup. I usually get a feel for my potential new families, if I get a good feeling about them, I will adjust price just to put my pups in loving, caring, forever homes. And yes, I'm not against placing pups without a fee.

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my 2 cents an hour!!
 

While some have touched on the actual cost of rearing a bitch, studding then raising a litter...I think some of the other costs have been omitted

a bitch average breed/show quality $2500
rearing that bitch to breeding age average 2 years $$$
grooming, vet visits, (show cost if being shown, entry fees, travel charges, hotel, gas, food, grooming spaces)
stud fee average $500 - $800 some up to $1500
prenatal care average $500
c-section non emergency $800
emergency $2000
care of a litter doesnt just include the food, vet visits, vaccinations but the 24-7 care for the first 2-3 weeks keeping the pups at minimum 12 weeks.

this entire process at the very least a 5 month process in producing a happy healthy good representation of the breed pup.

There are many breeders that dont show, so they dont incur those cost, there are many breeders that purchase a breeding bitch (not a good representation of the breed) therefore the price of that breeding bitch could be much less. There are breeders that dont take the time to find the right stud, breed the bitch to the boy next door, eliminating a quality male going rate for a stud fee. There are many breeders that work full time, leaving the bitch to whelp on her own, there are many breeders that don't do the necessary penatal and post natal care (eliminating the vet costs)....finally there are many breeders that raise pups in card board boxes and shove them out the door at 6 weeks (no vaccinations, no vet checks, no guarantees) they are tired of cleaning up the poop!!! These are the breeders that will sell for the $500!!

I've actually placed one for free and one for considerly less. I have to correct myself and admit I was wrong in saying I don't take into consideration about pricing but I knew where they were going and why and I felt comfortable doing that. Again, it's not all about money it's about healthy, happy pups and to better the breed :)
Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

I know I breed first for myself, hence the 1 or 2 litters a year. So on the average maybe 4 pups to place in new homes....as yet I've wonderful luck with the new families.

$200 is a bargain!! My last C section was over $700 and that is a pretty good price for here!

About 17 years ago(give or take) when I first saw an ad for Yorkie, it said they would be about 4 pounds full grown and the price was $900. That was AT LEAST 17 years ago. I then went out and bought my first yorkie book, which I still have. I never imagined I'd ever be able to save up $900, haha but they were the most beautiful tiny dogs I'd ever seen and I knew someday I'd have one.

Well actually, I think what people pay for their dog is nobodies business but their own to be honest :rolleyes: I paid ALOT for Tatum, and I paid that because I fell in love with her and didn't care what her price was. I had the money to get her, so I did. Granted I do believe that some of these so called "breeders" who are charing $10,000 dollars for a dog is just completely and totally INSANE - but if there are people out their crazy enough to pay THAT kind of price - then that is entirely their business.

I didn't mind paying alot for Tatum #1 because I fell in love with her, but I also knew that she was coming from a wonderful breeder (show breeder) who had been breeding for a long time and was only doing it to better the breed. She truly does care about her dogs - they are like her babies. She asked ME questions that I WANTED (and expected) her to ask - questions that shows ME that she truly does want her babies to go to a good home, not to just anyone with cash in their hands. Tatum also has Champion Bloodlines (EXCELLENT ones) - and no I do not show her nor will I be able to because she is too small, but I don't care. I wouldn't show her even if I COULD because that is my choice. I bought her knowing that I wasn't planning on showing her, and I still didn't mind paying what I did for her.

Not saying that I wouldn't pay less for one if I fell in love with it (actually, my Stedman was ALOT less than she was), but Tatum just so happened to be the baby I wanted and she came with a bigger price tag. Maybe some wouldn't pay it, but I did :) However, that's my business and no one elses. I think what each individual person does with his/her money is completely and entirely up to them.

Most Yorkies aren't cheap, and that's just the way it is. This is an expensive breed :p

Hear, Hear Kim. I wasn't adding in those costs. But, here's a few more to add. Pre-breeding screening....Hearing and eye tests by specialists. Smears for STDs. X-ray on hips and legs.....OFA testing, Bile Acid Testing. Temperament testing on the pups and the same tests as above run on the pups - the STDs. And then how can you put a cost on the countless sleep hours lost.....your mother hearing is turned on. Countless wash loads (soap, water and machine wear). Oh yeah! The time it takes to keep your dam in condition...

I love this. I have found a breeder just like you here in Canada. I have been doing research for over two months now. She offers free grooming for a lifetime to all of her litters. This is completely amazing to me and I value her customer service and personal care for all of her puppies. :thumbup:

Mary how about hire a handler $1200 per month average time to finish 6 months sometimes sooner....$7,200!! Or buying a finished stud there is a champion being advertised on a site $12,000.00:eek:

I forgot about that. I've yet had to hire a handler, since I handle all my own, but that age for me is approaching. I have had to send my incouragable ones out for training and that was an extra cost.

ok thank you i read page one and was about to rant back and this covers it and a litter takes over 40 hrs a week in MHO for 12 weeks in the end i make less than minimum wage.and lets forget about the price of health clearences for sire and dam cesarians and shots wormers ect but the puppies them selfs two or three times at the vets liver shunt test and when a problem ariseks thousands of dollars ...in some litters i do make money but the next litter will suck that right up.

Why discriminate and pass judgment on someone who thinks what they spend is important? I am glad I never approached you because you would have assumed that i was not concerned about the quality of the pup i was buying. Not that your dogs aren't beautiful cause they are. If i saw that you had beautiful well groomed pups that would have been the reason I would have approached you anyway.

this is what i like to see and i think i what my breeder does with her dogs, she is more concerned for the life of her who arent show quality and adjusted her price for me and thats what this is all about especially if you yourself say you dont make money from this.

Hey! Will you share your secret with me on how you were able to make money:D I've been running in the hole since I started. Any money that is brought in is put right back into my dogs.

I could be TOTALLY off base, but has anyone else noticed that the person who started this thread has been silent on this thread since starting it. Was this just a way to get people all riled up again? Just my thoughts, I could be wrong. Sorry if I misspoke.

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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1407510) If you can't afford my price then you can't afford a puppy for the rest of it's life either because you'll pay more than my asking price over the course of a yorkie's life.

See now thas where you are wrong because I know i cant afford your price and I have two and I still can afford to take care of these boys for the rest of their lives.:rolleyes:Why? because its way easier to pay for something little by little over time rather than a lump sum all at once. I guess that is why poor people are lucky to get new cars... they can afford to pay for them over time.
Sometimes when breeders say this I think that they get forget about the things that no one can afford but are able to buy because the cost that they do pay accrues over time. Heck naww I wouldn't buy a dog if i knew i would have to buy 2000$ worth of dog food at one time to prove I could afford to take care of one... but to pay 20-40 bucks for food every few months is different.