I think it's strange too that he's been a member for almost two years and has only posted 20-something times. I know a lot of people mostly read, but why use one of your very few posts to start a heated thread? At least read all the replies and participate in the discussion you started...and not just write a follow-up post basically ignoring what others have said

Chris e, I am not a breeder or do I show but would have loved to at one time. I can attest to the fact that you can get a wonderful pet from a show breeder for less than you would pay at a pet store or on the internet. I did just that and got a champion and on top of that a healthy one on top of that and this 13 yr. old is sitting on my lap at this moment.

I just wonder if you just might be a former show breeder disenchanted when your dog was not winning as much as you would have liked. This is how I read it and only me I guess, you seem to have an ax to grind:confused:

Well you win some and you lose some but I think lots of members who posted
can see the entire picture with more clarity now than before so that wasn't a total loss.

chris E, to me a BYB and a hobby breeder are not the same as you referred to them. i consider myself a hobby breeder. unless I am not understanding, a BYB is one that just cranks puppies out and will sell to anyone with the money. A hobby breeder cares where the dogs go. I just got a very rude pm from a lady (fellow breeder) that I removed from my waiting list because of her EIGHT children. i had put her on it before i found out. That was my fault but I don't contact people or anything other than take names until I have puppies available then i do the weeding out and checking. I simply told her it is against my policy. she took issue with the fact that I removed her without asking her for references or anything. Frankly, once all those children came to light, I didn't need to ask her for references or anything else. Case in point, a BYB would have sold to her no matter what but i would rather have her very upset at me (she is and said some very rude things) that sell her my puppy.

The Golden Retriever would be a wonderful breed for the lady with eight children.

yes it would but i am not going to be contacting her anymore after her very rude pm. It is my choice who gets my dogs and I pick what I feel is the best home for them. i think most every breeder on this thread, show or hobby alwayss wants the very best for their babies.

I agree If some one is rude why would you even want to talk to them much less let them raise one of your sweet pets.
good for you :)

I was educated on YT not to buy a pet store/puppy mill dog. Max is one and I love him so much, but to support puppy mills is to support abuse of innocent animals. I was also educated that trusting internet ads and many (not all) "backyard breeders" is a terrible idea. You can be scammed or, worse, a dog with health problems.

I was then mentored to buy a pet quality dog from a show breeder in order to ensure that my Gracie Leigh is healthy, strong, has a good temperament, has been cared for, well fed, and many other things that show breeders do for their pups.

I was happy to pay what she cost, which was less than a lot of pet stores and backyard breeders cost, although she wasn't cheap. I have a lifetime guarantee, I know her mother, her sisters and brothers, she's healthy, came to me loved, and I can call her breeder whenever I need.

If I couldn't have afforded her, I could have saved up until I had the money.
I'm thrilled with her and feel that I not only bought a wonderful little girl, but I paid for the expertise and caring and years of breeding with integrity that her breeder has. Like the commercial says "That's priceless."

What this basically means is that you can pay $5000 for a dog or $300 for a dog, but at the end of the day the best physical looking dogs aren't always the healthiest and the worst looking dogs aren't always the unhealthiest. You have to look at this from both ends of the spectrum and not just from "my dog is healthy because its AKC registered". Regardless, if I fell in love with a $5000 dollar Yorkie or a $300 dollar Yorkie, then by all means he/she would be mine.

Previous posts do mention supply and demand and that is probably the largest factor in pricing. I would say the next largest factor is location of this Yorkie.

The OP reminds me a lot of another recent poster who was finally banned. Some people enjoy provoking others. Just my opinion.

See if you agree with me. Go to http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26568
for the one and only other thread this person has ever posted.

I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread. I have better things to do with
my time, although it was good to chat with you guys.

If she was rude I understand why you wouldn't give her on of your babies.. but what about the 8 kids that made you not sell her a pup (had a child under 7-8)? Did you ask more info on her and her financial situation to see if she had the best possible care of the pup in hand if she were to get one? I mean, Wouldn't the dog get MORE love because there was more people in the house to give him/her attention.. And if they had children less then 7-8 you could have stressed how you can wait later and talk about other ways to get one or to tell her another breed that would have been best... My Great Aunt has 9 kids (1died.. 1 triplet.. 2 sets of twins) and has 3 chihuahuas.. She has a daughter that is 9 and don't allow her to hold the pets or anything unless someone is with her... they are with someone all of the time.... Anyway, I would be upset too when someone takes me off their list and don't even try to tell me why and see what the situation is and see how things would have been.... BUT.. They are your pups and It is your decision:D . so I guess they can find another breeder....

To add to that Dee you did see that you should have asked her these questions before you put her on a waiting list. Of course it benefits you but the people waiting on a waiting list for and not get a pup because you do your checking later really isn't fair to your buyer. She must have told the kids that they would be getting a yorkie and I think I would be a bit upset too.

I understand that you want a yorkie to go to the best possible person, I would too but you have to understand why she would be a little miffed.

Well I'm going back to the ball game.

Crystalsmom and love me cody....You both bring up excellent points. I for one prescreen my potential families long before I ever do a breeding. I have a very strict criteria, but doing prescreening helps eliminate confusion.

Great! That's what I believe a true breeder does. The breeder I'm getting my dog from is screening me now. Someone backed out on buying a pup and he will see if that pup personality match mine to see if I get him at the end...

Time and effort was definitely wasted on the OP, but I think alot of us learned by this thread. The OP should go take a look at some of the yorkies on the show forum, but then I doubt if he'll ever "get it".:rolleyes:

I'm sure everyone else added their 2 cents worth in, I'll add mine.

I was thinking if I got a girl, I could breed and make a 2ond income. Mind you, I knew nothing about breeding at that time.

After getting my girl (already had a boy), I hung and read up as much as I could about breeding Yorkies in our breeding section here.

Thats when I learned if my girl was smaller than my boy, I'd have to have a C section ($3,000 if taken into emergency room) and could possibly loose my girl.

I also learned that Yorkies don't have as many pups as "dogs I grew up with". Sometimes they only have like 2-4 pups. Then you have to pay to register, play to get tails docked, dew claws removed, and have to be very careful of loosing a pup if Mom doesn't give enough milk for all. Thats every 2 or so hours, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, till it eats on its own.

And if the worst comes, you loose the Mom in childbirth cause you couldn't afford to go to emergency with her, you have to feed pups, every 2 hours 24 hours a day those first 8 or more weeks.

You have to know the exact day they bread, as you need to know the exact day she'll give birth, to avoid emergency C section.

I don't know how breeders do this.

The 2 I have keep me pretty much tied down at home. But when I want to go out of town, not hard to pay someone to take care of 2. But what if I needed to go out of town on family emergency and I had puppies I had to feed, a preg female about to give birth? Who would take care of that? I couldn't turn that over to just someone "trustworthy with keeping my babies", as giving birth isn't an easy task, and there is so much to learn.

Didn't take me long to realize, that breeding Yorkies, wasn't easy as breeding your "average dog".

Most of the expenses that come with the breeding, I decided wasn't worth me getting into. I could start out loosing money before I made a dime off pups. Loosing my girl, or a pup would kill me!

After hanging in the breeding section here, and learning "some" of the things that goes with it, I had both of mine fixed.....knowing breeding wasn't for me. Good thing I did, as my female is still smaller than my male (hence, C secion, or possibly loosing female).

I learned that breeding Yorkies was nothing like breeding your "average" larger dogs that throw off 10 puppies.