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Daisy! First photo: This is my baby, Daisy. She is 8 months old and 2.25 lbs. She is the spokesmodel for our site, www.YorkieCouture.com ! |
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I agree. I dont think you are someone I would want to deal with. |
Okay... unsolicited, baseless remarks... Excuse me, ladies, was I trying to sell you anything in my post?? Why say these things about me?? According to what?? Based on what facts, exactly? You are basing your opinions on heresay??? That is quite juvenile behavior, would you not say? There are two sides to every story, ladies. I think it is good to mind our own businesses and give constructive advice or say nothing neagtive when a matter does not concern ourselves. In that way, I appreciate your remarks, but you are basing your opinions on some random person's comments! If you won't deal with me, fine; I never asked you to deal with me, but I have enough kouth and respect for my fellow YT'er and anyone else not write unsolicited comments negative towards my fellow yorkie owner. What I am saying is; email me if you have soemthing that is neagative to say- if you cannot give adhere to common courtsey: "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all". I don't post rude or detrimental comments about others that I don't even know- I don't do it at all, yet you are assulting my charachter and integrity!! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! How much integrity do you utilize when you insult someone when and you don't even know them or have any factual basis??? I feel it is immature and childish behavior - how can you prejudge someone you have no dealings with- and then go as far as to post a comment about them in cyberspace???~~ Let's treat each other with mutual respect; I don't know you and you don't know me. I have no formed opinions of anyone that I don't know and I don't waste my time trying to judge others, i just accept them for who they are and choose who I want to deal with. Your comments were unsolicited, ladies. I have every right to come on YT and not be slandered or judged, as do you. Mutual respect is the minimum. That is one thing I tend to see on yt; some of the ladies get together and bash others like we are back in high school- is there nothing better to do with the day than to gang up on a person you don't even know, in an attempt to make them feel smaller? Does that really add anything to your life? I see it so many times, YT'ers talking badly about some breeder, some broker, store operator. How many of these women do it themselves? If you aren't in the business, how can you judge? Yes, there are BAd breeders and brokers, puppymills, people who don't care about the welfare of the animals they make profits from- but who are YOU to judge and finger someone for that? Unless you were there during the operation of the business and condycted some sort of investigation, you have no basis. I am angered by this sort of loose-cannon posting, because you ladies just say anything that pops in your mind; jump on the bandwagon like a lynch mob- without basis. You don't even think about the people you hurt with your baseless comments. Why not put all of that energy into REALLY helping the breed or really investigating that business, then approach the business owner privately - that would be the responsible, adult thing to do. I spend thousands of dollars on my yorkie puppies to make sure they are healthy and I have spent over $1100 in one vet visit, on just one puppy, just to save her life. Whether it is mine or I am selling ithe puppy, I always try to make sure that puppy has a good life; as much as this is in my control, if I could not do that, I would not sell puppies!!! YOU HAVE NO IDEA what I do for my dogs, how I have spent as much as $7,000 in one month, on one litter, just to make sure each puppy was alive and well, when so many breeders would put a puppy to sleep for less!! I spend every dime I have to save a puppy's life; I would never have puppy put to sleep or let it die, just becasue I don't want to pay for care! Each one is loved and well cared for. These are live creatures, as we all know, none of us can guarantee that a puppy or a person won't get sick or that somethng might not be going on with them then if even the vet cannot detect it! That is why there are health guarantees; that is all a breeder/broker/pet store, etc, can do!! Unless youa re God, there are goingto be things beyond your control; as a human being, you have to take in all of the conflict, anylize the situation, then make your best judgement, subject to the condtions. In your own business, you can make your own decisions, based on the factors that you can and CANNOT control. In my business, I must do the same. I can't judge you on the decisions you make unless i know ALL of the factors you have to deal with (ie; financial, circumstantial. health, outside infuluences, product, consumer, situation, etc). Those that spend more time judging than problem solving will have things to say about me or anyone else. No one is perfect, things do happen, and there is a level of intelligence, maturity, and understanding a consumer should have; realizing that nothing is perfect, we all do our best, and sometimes things are beyond our control! You don't know me, you aren't a client of mine, and you are not my friend; please exercise common courtesy, integrity, maturity, and common sense to keep in mind that you would also not appreciate some random strangers slandering you and making you an outcast ONLINE (odf all places!!!), especially without any basis. Written comments are viewable byu many people and it is unfair to allow this type of slander to go on or participate in ti. Share your experience and keep your opinions about a person's charachter to yourself or satts that it is your opinion. Please, ladies, becasue it is hurtful and none of us are perfect. I am not judging your conduct and then writing it online in a common forum! Sincerely and without malicious intent, Dante |
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Here we go… This rambling email is just a small glimpse into the type of character I have been dealing with for the past 10 months. By the way Dante, the loving dog owner who spends thousands of dollars on her dogs, refuses to pay $70.00 dollars (as promised) for my pedigree papers and tries to sell her beloved dog on this forum for $3,000 so she can “survive” –You are a walking contradiction. The facts are simple: you sold me a paperless dog imported from Brazil and have made no attempt to contact me regarding the missing paper work for months. If you want to be exonerated from the judgment that these members have justly placed upon you, then I suggest you fulfill your agreement and get me the papers (authentic papers). |
Me do thinks she protests too much! |
Your puppys are very,very cute!! Are their parents champions? |
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I may have gone on long about YT abuse, but I just hate to see it, I have known other women that have been YT bashed and they are nice ladies Persoanl differences shoudl be kept that way. As far as this sick puppy, I find it interesting that GT Cartel also said her puppy is fine, yet she finds energy to slander me..... GT, I don't know who you are. |
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Do you know the definition of slander? Slander implies lies... everything that that I have posted about you is the truth. My dog is fine now, after many months of treatment and a lot of money in vet bills. It is irresponsible to knowingly sell a dog that is sick. It is also fraudulent to sell a dog promissing pedigree papers and then refusing to provide the papers. :thumbdown |
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As I sai, I did NOT KNOW the dog wa sick, READ what I said. I did not know. One puppy had it, that was all I knew, that is what the vet said. The others did not! I asked if I should seperate out the sick one and the vet said not, it was not a problem. Yes, my vet screwed up by telling me that. I no longer use him and I called him on it, which he then apologized and said he didn't think they would be exposed to each other's feces, but they are puppis! Had I known that, I would have seperated them. Dior was only with that puppy a couple days after I found out about the coccidia that the male puppy had. I had no idea of her having coccidia; I would have told you and given meds with her if you insisted on talking her home, oherwise she would stay with me! And I would not have purposefully let her go when sick - even on meds, unless you demonstrated the responsibility to be able to handle being consistent with the meds. I don't sell sick puppies. Puppies are creatures of God, I cannot control everything that affects their systems, i can only treat and try to prevent. Coccidia is very common and can be bad if the dog has it too long, it can cause adverse effects, even death, if neglected. I would NEVEr sell a puppy with knowledge of it neing illin any deadly way! I havce spent hours with these precious little guys; I love them! I care about thier lives. Your statements are incorrect assumptions about my charachter. |
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GCartel, first she has no clue who you are and then she knows details of the dispute including puppy names and diagnosis of illness. :rolleyes: |
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Yeah...i Smell A Con Artist Here...u Know The Saying If It Smell Like A Rat, And Walk Like A Rat, Eat Like A Rat...etc. |
I always heard, "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck . . . . " Anyway - thought I'd get my 2-cents worth in before this thread is closed. I really wish they wouldn't close threads like this, and instead, would just let them run their course......to a point, of course! I have no comments on this issue - I'm just listening.... Carol Jean |
Hey, I just joined about a week or two ago... is this not a friendly forum? It doesnt seem like it. |
MaryKayBaby -- This is a very very friendly forum. Believe me, you don't find many threads that are not friendly. I have been very active on many different forums and I can attest to the fact that this is one of the best on the net. (People who love Yorkies are the best people in the world....) Occasionally, people disagree -- but this is okay - we need to be able to disagree with one another at times. All of our opinions are valued. I do agree that this thread is really going at it.... but you can read a hundred threads and not find another quite like this... I think there are obviously some strong feelings here - I don't like bad language, abusive language, or threatening language. But, I don't mind disagreeing or arguing. I am very much in favor of letting people say what they think. And don't we all know - that anytime anyone has had it with any thread - they can just stop viewing it and go onto to other subjects. There's a lot going on here at YT....plenty for everyone. Carol Jean |
h Mob: YT Style.. You know, it's funny how some women are just drawn to drama; even if has NOTHINg to do with them.; they like to be apart of the problem, instead of the solution; maybe it makes you feel better about your life, somehow? I know what libel is, it is written, harmful statements against another person or entitiy. Your statements are untrue; not purely fictious, but highly exxaggerated, plus some statement about my charachter that are completely untrue. Also, calling me "fraud". You better check with your attorney, becasue I already asked mine. By the way, not that I want a court batle, the prevailing party wins and the attorney's fees are paid by the loser, so I can afford court, though i think it would be silly, since the problem is a lack of communication, understanding, compassion, and patience. I did not know who it was at first,but with the additional factoids thrown out by Melissa Tallman aka, GT Cartel, I figured it out- I am not stupid.. :( hello- Wouldn't youa gree that in your "not knowingness", when someone presents more information, the intelligent person can put together the clues.. Stay with me, those that feel the need to butt in and fan the flames. I find it interesting that those of you making more rude comments and wanting to continue the argument are not interested in seeing a resolution, just trying to put down a puppy broker without knowing the facts. A regular internet lynch mob. YTouare accusing me of being heartless, take a look in the mirror. Nobody likes to be ostrasized or "mobbed". Have a nice night, Ladies! |
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I think this is why we possibly could use a debate forum or a place to vent! but I try to be partial with both sides this is a situation with she said she said, on both sides, I sorta got caught up in it as I made a statement in another thread, as I did not know this one was started after the post called Beware etc.. and I felt compassion for her "gtcartel" but then realized that the person (another family YT member DanteCarbajal was publicy being put out on trial and was carried over to denocing her with a new thread beware of yada yada, In my opinion I think it should have stoped right here! and the two YT members try to make peace and agree to some solution as all can be fixed. maybe agree a misunderstanding, an apopogy and work together on rectifying this matter, administration is doing the best they can to keep this a happy place to share happy yorkie adventures, photos and etc.. I agree that a bad breeder should be brought forward IF it is not another member of YT, it should be handled with respect and attempt to rectify it ask for a mediator to hear both sides and get an opinon and work it out! I feel both sides should have been heard with out prejudice and it is never to late to make things work out, I would be most happy to help anyway I can to bring this assult of ones integrity to possibly agreeing it was all a misunderstanding? and even if it wasn't there is a peacefull and the right way to rectify the hurt feelings, SO lets try and fix what can be fixed! you are both adults! and far as prices I agree they are pretty high dante, and that just makes alot of other members get that red flag! thinking they are being over priced because of these babies size! the Teacup word.. goes through the heads of us all, although this term was not use on your site Dante, it just seems to apply this that these tiny babies are being charged according to their size and not priced at reasonable prices? for providing good parents to love them, I have heard paying 2400 although this is the going price up into the 4,000 price quoted for teacups? hell I have seen them 4,000! granted these babies are very small but you have to consider in pricing with the possibilities of health issues that can ruin your reputaion when someone has just paid 3000 and the puppy is sick! so with this mind I agree with both your opinions on how you feel they are costly to provide training, care etc..risks will follow these tinys, maybe lower you price and if they want htem potty trained, well behaved dont put that effort u=into it suggest a fee for your extras like maybe a menu of services :confused: potty training x amount this willtake time off your hands for these extras to allow you to base your price acording to you exsperiance and care( hell if you have to log the extras, vrt care(attached vet bill) but according to the norm of puppy care required.. well Im tired and tonite this all looks good but I might be getting some debates on my own from this. so I will take this time to say goodnite..apologise and get opinions from other family members.. make peace.. we can fix this there must be a good breeder that will offer her assistance in this matter?? anyone?? maybe start another thread on ideas to help with suggestions?? |
It is not the responsibility of administration to moderate or even want to get involved in disagreements between members. Nor should that responsibility be given to any breeders or other members of YT. We already have a lot of people jumping in with their two-cents worth --- to no avail! I think we all have the right to give our own opinion on any subject --- and I think that any members who disagree about anything have the right to state their own personal feelings. As far as this thread not being "the friendliest one on YT," this is true, but that's okay. I can't help but believe if everyone weren't jumping on the bandwagon, this thread would have ended before now. PLease notice - even with all my comments, I have not taken either side. I think both sides have made some good points.... They certainly don't need my input -- primarily because I am in no position to know the truth regarding any of this. Girls -- We need Judge Judy! I just love the way she jumps right in and solves everything "bam bam." I think Judge Judy would say that if you want to get on a public forum on the Internet -- you'd better be willing to take the good with the bad. The Internet is "public domain." And as far as laws, legalities, etc. go -- we are on international territory here --- we have people from every country in the world on the Internet (with different laws and regulations). If pornography can exist with no regulation - I'm sure a little argument on Yt will survive. I am not a book burner. I believe in freedom. I did state earlier that I do not like bad language, abusive language, or threatening language. But, disagreements and different points of view are just fine with me. Excuse me -- I'm on my soap box again!!! And, once again, I do believe that YT is one of the best and friendliest forums on the net.... I through - carry on girls!! Carol Jean |
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Sounds to me that this matter should be discussed in the courts system in front of a judge. Check with your JP and see how much it would cost to file one. Most states, it's under $100 to file for small claims court. |
You go girls...I love a good cat, err.....dog fight! :interesti |
In case some of you are unaware there is a similar post under "Breeders, Groomers...". I have posted the following comment there as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well this forum can definitely suck you in; I have spent a lot of time making my point. Every single claim I have made on this forum has been factual and can be proven with numerous documents (Dante's own conract, her emails, and vet records). My intentions for these treads/post were to simply make others aware that this broker has not handled my situation with integrity, nor is she equipped with the knowledge or expereince to broker puppies (especially if she was unaware that coccida is contagious). It has been ten months since I purchased the puppy and still no papers! I am at a loss and I don't know what else to do but "publicly" discuss this issue. The sad thing is that even after numerous attempts to privately resolve this issue with Dante for 6 months, I have heard more from her (though much of her explanations are questionable at best) on this forum in last two days. I am sorry that she only feels complelled to be proactive and communicate with me when her puppy brokerage is rightfully questioned here on YT. But, if this motivates her to do the right thing and provide the promissed papers, then my efforts were successful, and if she continues to broker puppies, hopefully this expereince will also motivate her to be more educated and communicate with her customers post-sale. This has been a very interesting experience and I appreciate all the feedback. I will post again when/if I get paperwork from Dante Carbajal (though that might be a while, if it happens at all). |
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