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Do you care whether your pet-only dog is registered with a recognizable registry (AKC, UKC, IBC) or is any registry acceptable to you?

We had an interesting discussion last week about getting your puppy's papers when that was part of your purchase; got to thinking about whether any registry will do?

This would include any of us who purchase other dogs besides Yorkies (I know there are a few other breed owners on this forum. I have an AKC registered Havanese--he is neutered but it was important to me that he be AKC registered.)

What's your thoughts?

never had a dog of any kind that wasn't AKC and never will. personal choice. When I am looking for a dog to purchase, I look close at the registry.

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It all depends...if someone I knew had a healthy litter of Yorkies with no papers AND all I want was a reasonably price pet..then I would buy it.

If I want a breed/show dog, then AKC is the only registry I will deal with...

I spayed both my dogs, and AKC was the only thing I accepted. AKC is the best way to ensure your dog is purebred, and that's what I wanted.

The only registries I think are reputable in the US are AKC and UKC. The others are basically there to register anything else that can't be registered with AKC or UKC and so that people can still claim that their puppies are "registered". There are so many crappy registries out there that don't mean a thing and will register any dog - whether it is a mixed breed or purebred.

Lacy is not AKC registered - she is registered with a registry that isn't worth anything to me. The only reason I even sent in the paperwork was just to have it. At the time I got Lacy I just wanted a puppy so bad and didn't really care what she was registered with. From now on though I plan to only buy AKC registered puppies.

Personally, I guess it depends on the preference of each individual and what their plans for their dog(s) is.:)

Funny this came up and I just posted...Just checked the mail, and we just got Milli's papers today!

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I saw a little Yorkie a few weeks ago in Petsmart...it was really cute. Cutiest I have seen since I moved here..The owner said she got it for $600, no papers..it was 9 months and 3 pounds, cute as a button, little ears, silk coat ..shoot, I would have bought it myself for a pet!

I just got my Yorkie and she was offered only with APRI application. I was going to turn her down despite her awesome looks and obvious health until they said she was AKC eligible as well. We have her home now pending the AKC finalization. I've already been in direct contact with the breeder about it so am confident.

It was very important to me for my Yorkie becuase I want to be able to show conformation and agility.

For our kids beagle - not so much. :-) For our lab-mix pound puppy resuced doggie - not even an option!

But having the AKC designation does lend a credibility to the puppy which is why we wanted that option.

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my baby has no papers i wish she did though....

I feel that any breeder who cares enough to breed AKC registered dogs so they can have AKC eligible puppies is more than a fly by night BYB. I might be wrong, but I am hoping that the AKC means no congenital health problems and a guarantee that I got what I paid for, a pure bred dog.

Kind of an apples and oranges thing going on here... Of course, the most recognized registries here in America are AKC and UKC -- and at least in the past, they were very respected registries. Unfortunately, you can get puppymill dogs who are AKC registered now (I don't know about UKC) and I'm sure you know that a lot of puppymill dogs aren't always "top quality" dogs. Also there are many "Breeders/Greeders" who know they can charge more money if they have AKC registries... whether the dog is quality or not...

Now, you throw in the initials IBC and the majority of people here in America don't have a clue what that is. Obviously to those who know, it's a German registry that a lot of Biewers are registered under. As far as the quality of dogs and respect of the registry, we Americans can pretty much only go on what other people tell us -- and there are very differing opinions, both here and in Germany. From what I've heard, there are several registries in Germany that will register the Biewers -- and I'm sure some are like our "other" registries over here in the good old U.S. And some are like our AKC and UKC registries over here. I believe Michael brought up several in another thread earlier...

"DRV, DHS , ERV , WRV, DRS and there are many many other Clubs"

Lots of initials that don't mean a whole lot to us Americans, right? Far be it from me to throw stones at those initials when I don't know shinola about them... got to go to the Germans and find out from them, right!

As far as a pet registration? Well, my first yorkie was supposed to be AKC -- but I never sent in the papers. She was 5 lbs, didn't have the attitude to show, but had bad knees and I didn't have a clue about confirmation back then, so to me she was perfect! Didn't need the paper for me to love her! Now with Toby -- he was advertised as AKC... he's 6.5 pounds, definitely has the attitude for the ring, has bad knees, and used to have 1 floppy ear that in the past couple of months has gone up... and I've been told he has pretty good confirmation. Again, I never sent in the papers... didn't need the paper for me to love him! Sneaker's breeder was probably on the verge of a wannabe puppymill -- or just a breeder that had a whole lot of dogs and was out to make money. Toby's breeder was a backyard or hobby breeder. Had 4 dogs that I saw in her house. Were they show/breed quality -- NO. But they were AKC... hmmm -- does it really matter???

Well... you asked for "my thoughts" and here they are...

My male is AKC regestered and my female is ACA regesterd. My female has had 3 litter of puppies and I have regestered them all with the ACA. They are purebreed yorkies and to be honest I didnt realize it made a difference where they were regestered, not that it has mattered to anyone that has bought one of my puppies. They are in good health, I make sure they get their shots and are checked by my vet before I ever sell any of them. They are adorable and by the way one is a chocolate which I have learned from this site is not considered acceptable by some breeders. :aimeeyork

Well it seems like it is going to matter where one is allowed to show their dogs. If one is into shows and showing, especially rare breeds like the Biewer. But since you personally are not showing , are you saying it wouldn't matter if every club offers their own registry. Sort of depreciates having a registered dog, in my humble opinion.

You're right... as someone posted earlier -- it depends on what you're planning to do. Would you buy an APRI dog if you are planning on showing it in AKC shows? If you're going to breed or show, you will choose the dog's registry based on that. From what I have heard from several German sources, the clubs honor each other's registries (or at least many do) As I'm not privy to the resources in Germany, I don't know if they have ACA, APRI, etc., type of clubs, that are not allowed to show. No I do not show. But don't put words in my mouth -- no where did I even address the point of whether it matters or not "if every club offers their own registry." Are my dogs "depreciated" because they weren't registered AKC? Would you say that my dogs are "depreciated" because I have them neutered? They obviously can't be shown... Sorry, but whether they are papered/registered or not... neutered or not... I don't need anyone to validate their worth to me!

Just to point out... the title of this thread was "Pet" Registrations... so are you talking about "Pets" or "Showing/Breeding" stock?

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Lacy is so so adorable though. She of course is a purebred. I totally agree that having AKC registered is a good idea.

I would not purchase a pup that was not AKC registered. Just my preference.

I would not purchase a dog that was not AKC registered. at the same time I would not purchase just any dog from just any breeder just because the said their dogs were AKC registered. The AKC standards is a great place to start but like people said breeders and their intentions go from one end of the spectrum to another.

To me there is no point to register to a secondary registry for a country. It would that accepts the primacy Registries rejects, unless you wanted to get into a club to show and actually be a participating member of that particular club. Whose to say that a group of puppy millers cant get together and create a new registry just to appeal to the market and sell their puppies. Whose to say they they have not already done so?

With that in mind if your dog is not registered AKC why even register it with another place if u never planed to show? to me thas just a waste of money and at that point all that matters is the love that you give that pet. IMO

There are some American clubs and groups that have decided to be independent and are now promoting their own registry/s. Of course maybe the question should be iasking a breeder is: why are they (the breeder) no longer with a recognized registery when you are buying a "pet" from them??

While every organization or registry has to have a beginning, I wonder how this would affect a purchaser. If you buy one dog to breed, you'll have to register in one registry (pricier too, but it always has) and if you buy as a pet, you register somewhere else. And what if you decide to try and show before spaying or neutering, will you have to register somewhere else?

Both my Mini Schnauzer and my Yorkie are AKC. We registered them, then got them spayed without breeding either one. We have no reason to breed. There are enough pets to go around already. We dont show either. I did feel like it was important to have the AKC registration. I feel like it at least gives you a record of where the dog came from and who is involved. If there are champions in the line, at least you know that this is someone who is showing dogs, and hopefully not just churning out litters in their garage.

Zoey is adorable. My Cruiser likes the pacifier too.

I agree. I want to see the continuity of the line whether they are pets or bred. That is why I asked the question whether have a pet registered is important.

Yes, there are some American clubs and groups promoting their own registry. Your own Club is one of them. Maybe check in the dictionary to see what a registry is. Here's one I found quickly without spending a lot of time...

Source: WordNet (r) 1.7

registry
n : an official written record of names or events or
transactions [syn: register]


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Registry \Reg"is*try\ (r?j"?s*tr?), n.
1. The act of recording or writing in a register; enrollment;
registration.

2. The place where a register is kept.

3. A record; an account; a register. --Sir W. Temple

In response to your comment -- "iasking a breeder is: why are they (the breeder) no longer with a recognized registery when you are buying a "pet" from them??" The "pet" buyer might be interested in finding out what the reputation of this "recognized registery" is, and WHY they are no longer with it.

But again -- you're speaking about Apples and Oranges. This is "YORKIE Talk" not "BIEWER Talk" and by your posts over the last couple of days, it's obvious you're trying stir up discord, where it's not needed.

My Hopey is AKC, Tootie is CKC.. I wouldnt care if they were XYZ.. I love these babies with all my heart. when I got Tootie I didnt know better, when I got Hope, I was so in love with her and impressed with her breeder(lksdolls) Linda, that it wouldnt have mattered if she had a regisstration at all.. I did send in both of their papers just because I could...
My other two furbabies are not registered at all and they are no different to me than the babies who are...
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I think it all depends on what you are buying the dog for, Me my self I wnated a pet. I got Mickey who was AKC Great price Ch pedigree. Then I wanted a female. Looked at many AKC puppys then I found Minnie, Minnie is CKC and I paid way more for her then I did for my AKC why becuase she is the one I wanted. Her Father is AKC with many Ch in his pedigree, But The mommy was CKC and sense I knew this breeder and believed what she told me about the parents to her female and I loved the way Minnie looked,And the way her parents looked. so i could careless about Her CKC .I would of bought her with out any papers. I have had people wanting me to put them on a list if I ever decided to breed them and they all know the puppys would be CKC.
I have also had two AKC breeders who have never used CKC only AKC offer me to use their AKC Ch Studs for my CKC Female.

The registration doesn't matter for a lot of buyers; there was quite an interesting discussion last week about the importance of the papers especially when you pay for a "registered" dog. I frequently see "no papers" in newspaper ads.

Since that thread went about 22 pages, I thought it would be interesting, and still do, on whether it is the idea of the pup/dog being registered, or is the registry what is important?

Any registry is only as good as the breeder promoting it. I know that AKC is the 'cream of the crop' according to the masses, but that doesn't mean the dogs they are breeding and registering are.:) You can have bad breeders, with unhealthy dogs that are poor representations of the breed with ANY registry.:) I guess it also depends on the individual looking. I know some people who given a perfect dog with no registration vs a lesser dog with registration would take the registered dog any day.:rolleyes:

Very good point here that hasn't been brought up before.

It didn't really matter to me with Piper, but when I got Penny I definetly wanted AKC registration.

I have 3 yorkies and 2 Chihuahuas. All the breeders gave me the papers to AKC register them, but I never sent in the papers... Its just not important to me. Years ago, I would register my dogs and then proceed to never see those papers again.