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Julz 05-30-2005 04:01 PM

My AKC female had 2 red puppies in her litter
 
I was truly shocked very early this morning (Memorial Day) when my AKC female (Tea Leaf) gave birth to two red puppies and two bl/tn puppies. I have NEVER heard of a red Yorkie and I went straight to the computer to find out what was going on. I have learned that it is due to bb genetics. I also read where people don't think they are full-blooded. I bred her with an AKC male with championship bloodlines. My mom bred her Yorkie (which is Tea Leaf's sister) with the same male and her puppies are the perfect standard color. This is Tea Leaf's 3rd litter but the first one with this specific male. I found this website today and I guess I would just like to get some feedback. All four of my puppies are healthy and robust. Tea Leaf is the perfect little mamma and brings me so much joy every day.

Missy's Mommy 05-30-2005 04:21 PM

Congratulations on your new yorkie babies, and welcome to Yorkie Talk ;)

I have seen pics of the red/chocolate yorkies and I think they are beautiful. I am sure they are all adorable no matter what color. The good news is, there are no known health concerns for the chocolate yorkie so other than an "undiserable coat" (which I dont believe its undesireable at all) but the YTCA doenst recognize it since it is not the standard colors.

You should post pics of your babies if you can, we've love to see all of them.

I read if you have a litter with chocolate yorkies you should not duplicate the mating again. So perhaps you shouldnt mate your female to that particular male again unless you wanted chocolate yorkies again?

Good luck!

Did you read see this site before? It has some good info ;)
http://members.aol.com/CYorkie/Genet...Chocolate.html

LvMyYorki 05-30-2005 04:25 PM

Have you spoke to the person that owns the stud? What did they say when you told them?

jesscruz 05-30-2005 04:29 PM

oh i love chocolate yorkies...i think thier so cute i would love to see some pics :) congrads on your babies.

Julz 05-30-2005 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Missy's Mommy
Congratulations on your new yorkie babies, and welcome to Yorkie Talk ;)

I have seen pics of the red/chocolate yorkies and I think they are beautiful. I am sure they are all adorable no matter what color. The good news is, there are no known health concerns for the chocolate yorkie so other than an "undiserable coat" (which I dont believe its undesireable at all) but the YTCA doenst recognize it since it is not the standard colors.

You should post pics of your babies if you can, we've love to see all of them.

I read if you have a litter with chocolate yorkies you should not duplicate the mating again. So perhaps you shouldnt mate your female to that particular male again unless you wanted chocolate yorkies again?

Good luck!

Did you read see this site before? It has some good info ;)
http://members.aol.com/CYorkie/Genet...Chocolate.html

I read that also. My first thought was not to breed Tea Leaf with him again, but it seems that people are much interested. Someone just sent me a "private" response and I told her that even though the red is amazing, I would sell them with a "No Breed" contract. I will see if I can figure out how to post a picture. I just took a couple about an hour ago. Mine are not only red, they both have a white blaze on their forehead and their little chests. Let me see if I can get some pictures on here for you. They aren't even 1 day old yet. Thanks so much for your response. This seems like a very friendly group to join!!
Julz

Julz 05-30-2005 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jesscruz
oh i love chocolate yorkies...i think thier so cute i would love to see some pics :) congrads on your babies.


I'll see if I can get some pics on here for you!

Julz 05-30-2005 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LvMyYorki
Have you spoke to the person that owns the stud? What did they say when you told them?


No, I haven't spoken to her yet. It is a holiday.

Laura 05-30-2005 06:46 PM

There is another thread here where they were talking about red yorkies. They breed them in to bring better color into their lines. I will find the link for you. You may have some expensive pups on your hands that other breeders might be interested in.

Here it is, from 'is this a Yorkie"
Ok not too long ago I heard of a red legged yorkie which most of the times has coarse/wire silk coat. Their body temp. is usually lower than normal and they have a deeper red color to them. Breeders usually use these yorkies to get better colors in their lines. The hair on their legs and face I believe never gets long like a true silk yorkie. To me (JMHO) this is a true full blooded yorkie and he seems to fit the characteristics of a red-legged yorkie. I will google and find out more!!!

Smiles,
Myra


Here at this site the breeder just comments about it a bit. http://www.geocities.com/angeljulie2/bitney.html
I will look for more site but I have heard a few breeders mention it these past couple of days on a yahoo group I belong to...

adinasmommy is her screen name

Debr 05-30-2005 09:30 PM

My coat color knowledge is of german shepherds , since I'm new to the yorkie breed.

I know in german shepherds white is a flaw and not recognized by AKC. Whites do have a large group of folks who love them.In germany livers, blues or pups having lighter coloring including cream/white/silver is instantly put to death-and that pup is never acknowledged as being born. They consider anything not rich in color a flaw. There are no known health issues with the different colors-just peoples preferences or views on how a breed is supposed to look. Zoie, my older female, comes from a very good germany bloodline-world seigers, champs the works. She is black & cream. Her pedigree says blk/tans blk/reds and sables. I bred her 2 years ago to an american champ bloodline-her puppy I kept is a bi color black/white.I personally love the contrast of her black/cream and Angels black/white. Many people have stopped me because of her rarely seen coloring to comment on how beautiful she is. I had someone knock on my door to ask if she was male or female, they have a female and wanted to breed to her just for her color.They were a bit disappointed to find out she was a female.My personal feeling is-if the parents have a proven bloodline of health and super temperament-why fret over a coat color. You may not ever find out where in the bloodline your chocolates(reds) are as alot of folks who have something outside what AKC sets as the standard do not acknowledge them nor paper them.

SoCalyorkiLvr 05-30-2005 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debr
My personal feeling is-if the parents have a proven bloodline of health and super temperament-why fret over a coat color. You may not ever find out where in the bloodline your chocolates(reds) are as alot of folks who have something outside what AKC sets as the standard do not acknowledge them nor paper them.

I agree with you. I think the fact that they are a different color is not anything to be overly concerned about if they are for pets. Unfortunately, the AKC and the YTCA are a bit closed minded on this issue and don't even allow Biewers to be shown, but that should not stop us from appreciating these beautiful breed specimens.

Congratulations on your new litter!

jesscruz 05-30-2005 10:19 PM

thanks i can't wait to see their pics :D

Marie 05-30-2005 10:21 PM

Congrats on your new babies. Looking forward to see pics. :) :thumbup:

Julz 05-31-2005 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laura
There is another thread here where they were talking about red yorkies. They breed them in to bring better color into their lines. I will find the link for you. You may have some expensive pups on your hands that other breeders might be interested in.

Here it is, from 'is this a Yorkie"
Ok not too long ago I heard of a red legged yorkie which most of the times has coarse/wire silk coat. Their body temp. is usually lower than normal and they have a deeper red color to them. Breeders usually use these yorkies to get better colors in their lines. The hair on their legs and face I believe never gets long like a true silk yorkie. To me (JMHO) this is a true full blooded yorkie and he seems to fit the characteristics of a red-legged yorkie. I will google and find out more!!!

Smiles,
Myra


Here at this site the breeder just comments about it a bit. http://www.geocities.com/angeljulie2/bitney.html
I will look for more site but I have heard a few breeders mention it these past couple of days on a yahoo group I belong to...

adinasmommy is her screen name


Hi Myra,
Thanks for the new website info. I have been reading and rereading everything I can get my hands on. I am so excited! Don't get me wrong, EVERY puppy is exciting and a blessing, but to have 2 puppies so rare with white markings is still a bit unbelievable. What is interesting is that my little black and tan puppies don't really have a lot of the tan. They are darker in the face and feet than any of Tea Leaf's other puppies (but definetly not all "black" as I have found occurs also). As far as AKC goes, I know they won't recognize the red ones, but does anyone know if I still get to register my black and tan ones (due to them being in the same litter). A breeder did offer to buy my red puppies and told me that AKC might want to take away Tea Leaf's AKC rights. I don't believe it, but it did put some fear in me. Any info would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Julz

Julz 05-31-2005 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Debr
My coat color knowledge is of german shepherds , since I'm new to the yorkie breed.

I know in german shepherds white is a flaw and not recognized by AKC. Whites do have a large group of folks who love them.In germany livers, blues or pups having lighter coloring including cream/white/silver is instantly put to death-and that pup is never acknowledged as being born. They consider anything not rich in color a flaw. There are no known health issues with the different colors-just peoples preferences or views on how a breed is supposed to look. Zoie, my older female, comes from a very good germany bloodline-world seigers, champs the works. She is black & cream. Her pedigree says blk/tans blk/reds and sables. I bred her 2 years ago to an american champ bloodline-her puppy I kept is a bi color black/white.I personally love the contrast of her black/cream and Angels black/white. Many people have stopped me because of her rarely seen coloring to comment on how beautiful she is. I had someone knock on my door to ask if she was male or female, they have a female and wanted to breed to her just for her color.They were a bit disappointed to find out she was a female.My personal feeling is-if the parents have a proven bloodline of health and super temperament-why fret over a coat color. You may not ever find out where in the bloodline your chocolates(reds) are as alot of folks who have something outside what AKC sets as the standard do not acknowledge them nor paper them.


Wow, Angel sounds GORGEOUS!!!! I would love to see a picture of her! I didn't know that white Shepards weren't recognized. I have one, his name is Thunder. I know AKC won't recognize my red puppies, but I don't know where that leaves my black/tan ones. A breeder told me I can register the red ones APR (which is also new to me). It is all just up in the air right now. Tomorrow comes the day I personally dread...dew claws and tail dockings!!! Oh, that just breaks my heart to do that to the babies! Other than the delivery worries, that day at the vet is the harderst part of having puppies.
Thanks so much for your response,
Julz

feminvstr 05-31-2005 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julz
As far as AKC goes, I know they won't recognize the red ones, but does anyone know if I still get to register my black and tan ones (due to them being in the same litter). A breeder did offer to buy my red puppies and told me that AKC might want to take away Tea Leaf's AKC rights. I don't believe it, but it did put some fear in me. Any info would be appreciated.
Sincerely,
Julz

Amazing a breeder offered to buy your chocolate/red babies they're considered a mutation because it's coloring is a total loss of pigment. Any breeder wanting to buy them raises red flags, wanting to breed and advertise them as a "rare color"

They're beautiful little things, some breeders do register them (but they shouldnt be) reg your black and tan, from the same litter but as responsible breeder please sell the entire litter on spay/neuter contracts, not to any breeders, but to loving pet homes...This gene must not be passed on another generation.

Also AKC will only take away owner rights if you're in violation of AKC bi-laws. They will not take away Tea Leafs rights because of a bad breeding. She may be attempting to intimidate you into selling her your chocolate pups. When in question call AKC customer service they are very happy to answer all your questions.


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