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12-12-2006, 09:52 AM | #1 |
My Angels Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorful Colorado
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| how many dogs does it take............. My question is how many dogs does it take before you are classified as a puppymill? I see breeders with nice websites with pretty pictures, but I often wonder what is behind those pretty pictures and how can you possibly take care of 30-40 dogs by yourself. Then if that isnt bad enought they start cross breeding them to get even more puppies to sell. Is it the amount of dogs you have, the unethical breeding practices, not taking care of them, or what exactly is it that defines them as a puppymill? |
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12-12-2006, 08:42 PM | #2 |
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| To me a puppy mill is where there are too many dogs and puppies to take care of. If the puppies or dogs are being neglected then it is a puppymill. Everyone has a limit of dogs a person can handle. Some people can only handle to dogs while others can handle more. I believe it is the living conditions and care of the dogs and puppies that counts. Each dog should be able to get the proper grooming, attention/training and health care every day. If you have too many to where this doesn't happen, then I would classify it as a puppy milll. Puppymills have too many dogs where the dogs are poorly groomed, get little attention or interaction, have health and behavior problems and sometimes live in unsanitary conditions. Also, puppymills have a tendency to keep their dogs in cages/crates all the time. In addition, since they have so many dogs they have poor breeding practices. If you have a bunch of dogs or different breeds running around with each other all the time and arn't seperated, how is someone going to know who a certain female is pregnant to? For example, I have six dogs. Six dogs is not my limit yet. All my dogs get bathed and groomed every week, get special attention and training every day and are all healthy and just spoiled rotten. If you have the time, money, and space to care for them then you should be alright. I myself have plenty of time for my dogs, they are a huge part of my life, even a part of my career. But 30 dogs is even too much for me to handle by myself. If you reach the point to where you can't care for them every day on a one on one or individual basis, then you have too many. On the otherhand, a relative of mine, only has one dog and the dog does not get any grooming, training nor is properly taken care of. It all depends on how much a person can handle. JMO
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12-13-2006, 01:22 AM | #3 |
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| If dogs are treated like "livestock" --- it's a puppymill! Carol Jean |
12-13-2006, 04:41 AM | #4 | |
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a GREEDER is a Breeder with too many dogs that sells strictly for profit & doesn't care what they breed. Again - I believe these dogs are caged 24/7 too. Especially when a website states multiple breeds... you can pretty much trust their dogs are treated like livestock.....In many cases multiple breeds = broker. Not a good way to buy a puppy. I'm not saying ALL breeders are like this - but there are way too many out there mass breeding just like the mills. | |
12-13-2006, 05:39 AM | #5 | |
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12-13-2006, 08:35 AM | #6 | |
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a HUGE RED FLAG is a USDA License - The USDA (IN MY opinion is a joke) - & needs to clean up their act BIG TIME. They need to inspect WAY MORE OFTEN and NOT overlook bad conditions - and they do. All the time. Whether they need more inspectors or more CARING inspectors I don't care - they need SOMETHING in the way of change. -- They let these mills stay in business - overlook obvious neglect and cruelty... and the USDA doesn't do nearly enough for the poor dogs sentenced to a life of HELL. I copied this for you to see from Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_mill Puppy mill From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Puppy mills (known as puppy farms in the UK and Australia) are dog breeding operations that are considered to be disreputable and irresponsible. The term originated among critics of such operations. Small-scale, irresponsible dog breeding operations are usually called backyard breeding; the terms are akin but not synonymous. The largest concentrations in the USA are allegedly in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania and rural Missouri. Puppy mill operators may misrepresent the breed of dog being sold, and adult puppy mill dogs may exhibit characteristics uncommon to their advertised breed. Unlike the puppies produced by reputable breeders, the vast majority of puppy mill animals are sold to pet stores. Puppy mill operators are frequently accused of being motivated only by profit rather than a commitment to the breed or any empathy for the animals in their care. Purchasing dogs, especially those claimed to be purebred, from a pet store is strongly discouraged by reputable breeders and animal shelters. While many pet stores claim to purchase dogs from "local breeders" instead of puppy mills, this is often untrue or is a difference in name only, as reputable breeders generally do not sell animals to pet stores. The phrase "local breeder" may also refer to backyard breeders. | |
12-13-2006, 09:18 AM | #7 |
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| I don't think there's a magic number we can give that says a person is a puppymill.... I know there are respectable breeders who have quite a few dogs, but they're all very well taken care of.... You have to look at the whole picture... The "breeder's" attitude towards the dogs, their breeding practices/ethics, the condition of the living area, etc etc. |
12-13-2006, 10:27 AM | #8 |
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| many states have laws that one can only have 4-5 dogs if you have 30+ dogs your most likely a hoarder or puppymill! poor dogs! the cross breeding just makes it even worse they are just breeding whatever to make $$ not thinking of the dogs genetics or even if someone may want a mix! i personally would NOT pay for a mix breed excluding adoption fees or such from a shelter!
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12-13-2006, 10:57 AM | #9 | |
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