What's with my breeder?
 

We've been thinking about getting Emma a sister a lot lately!!!

I've been in touch with the breeder we got her from over the past couple of months, and she has been great about keeping me up to date about when she thought she'd have another litter of puppies. We were really excited because it would be the same parents, and we love our baby's sweet personality and the way she looks.

Our breeder didn't know her dog was in heat, and found her female tied with a misc. terrier mix-Oops! (they live in a rural area-he was visiting!) She took the female to visit the stud she usually uses, and bred her again, hoping to get pure Yorkies.

The puppies were born earlier this week!!! She had two girls and a boy-we want another little girl! I'm really excited, but I have some weird feelings about it:

-She says they're pure Yorkies...but I'm a little skeptical-shouldn't they be DNA'ed first to confirm???
-What happens if we later find out the puppy is NOT actually Yorkie, but a mix? Is there anything we can do?
-She's selling them for $200 and $300 more than we paid for Emma. They should be the same size (5 pounds). Aren't there usually better prices for repeat buyers?
-She says the pups will be ready to go at 7-8 weeks! Isn't that too early? We brought Emma home between 8-9 weeks, and wished we'd waited until she was 11-12 weeks. We had lots of problems trying to potty train, let alone SLEEP those first few weeks, but after 11 weeks or so, she was MUCH better...
-I asked her if we could put a deposit on one, or even pay in full, and have her keep it with the mother until at least 10 weeks-she said no! She wants them to go by 8 weeks. Is that illegal? I thought I read something about that on here...
-Also, she said that they don't need to stay with the mother after they're weaned and that they're weaned at 5 weeks. She said she does let them stay with the mother at night, but they don't nurse. I remember that Emma was still trying to nurse when we picked her up at 8-9 weeks-is that normal?The mommy dog didn't really let her, and she was eating kibble at that point-but 5 weeks seems early to be weaned.
-She insists they need to go younger so that they'll be "easier to train", and they'll be ready just before Christmas. I'd rather wait until January, due to work schedules, and we're trying to buy a house in the beginning of the year, so we'd want to know exactly what our plans are before bringing the new puppy home.

I just don't understand why all of the sudden she's charging more, and wants the pups to go so early. Any ideas? Does this sound fishy to anyone else? Any advice?

Thanks so much in advance! You all are usually so helpful, I appreciate it!

Now I'm no expect but didn't you say that the female was tied with a mix, for me red flag, Then she took it for stud service red flag didn't want the pups around the mom after 5 weeks red flag pushing them out WHY. I would look else where. That's just me.

i m no expert and dont have many answers and i have never bred small breeds but i remeber when we bred shelties which arent real big that at 5 weeks was normal to wean, and i think that some small breeds should stay w/ the parents until maybe 10-12weeks but the legal age that i know of to sell them is 8 weeks nothing under 8 weeks. because from 5-8 weeks is when the momma dog does socialization w/ her puppies. and yes i would be leary about the oops that happened and it doesnt make a lot of sense that she is charging more, because she already know that an accident occured and you can breed a yorkie w/ a poodle for example and then another yorkies and you could get yorkies and yorkie-poos. and most breeders that have repeat customers to offer discounts mine did, but i purchased mixed breeds from the same line . the first time i bought from here was 250.00 in 2002 for yorkie-pom and in 2005 i came back and that same line was $500.00 and i got 100.00 off..

If the female tied with the mixed breed, that means she was ready and is VERY likely to have produced pups to him. You should not buy from this litter if you are paying full price. A breeder doesn't have to give a discount to repeat buyers, that is just by choice. In PA a pup isn't, by law, allowed to leave until it is 8 weeks old. Honestly, I would highly suggest that you do not buy from her at this time. Don't fight your gut instinct on this one....I believe you'll regret it in more ways than one:eek:

Oh goodness hun, dont go with this breeder.
Im glad you love your first yorkie, but I certainly think you should go elsewhere.
THis is what happens to purebred lines. People who have litters who are irresponsible like this, its very possible there is a mix in the litter and they may look very yorkie. The puppies pass thru the cracks and not until along time later is it determined the pups are not what the paper says. Innocent people who had nothing to do with such poor practices pay in the end.
Its not about the price of the yorkie but its about just about every other concern you mentioned.
She shouldnt even be breeding dogs at all if this is how she does things. This is why long time reputable breeders go crazy about these things. They work and try so hard to do a good job for buyers, puppies and lines and then you have someone like this out there being a fool.
Im sure you can find a wonderful lil yorkie with all the things you like about your current precious yorkie girl, but find them with someone who cares and doesnt practice that way.

I agree with every one else. DONT go with the breeder!! I got my bunny and bella from the same breeder and I got a better price when I got my Bella. She nocked off 200.00 scent I got my Bunny from her the 1st time.

also my breeder let the mommy dog do all the work and wean the pups and etc.. I would go with a different breeder but if you WANT a blood sis for your furbaby.. I would say ask her to do a DNA test 1st or just waite for the next littler..

No matter what we say, it your chose on if you want to go with the breeder or not..

Good Luck In What Ever You Do!!!

Olivia Bunny & Bella

I agree dont get a pup from this breeder. There are too many other breeders out there and I wouldnt want to be worrying if it is a mix

o wouldn't take a chacne geting one from that breeder she let breed with a non yorkie then a yorkie that just seems really odd!

Ditto,,,doesn't sound right.. I wouldn't believe it. They can do a d&a, I believe but it will cost the breeder I wouldn't pay for it either.:animal-pa

Suzy - You have so many problems and questions regarding getting a puppy from this litter -- why don't you just skip it? You're not sure about the quality of the puppy - want to take an older puppy home - and you're planning to move, etc. Sounds like there's a lot there that you aren't real happy about - or at least are concerned about......

Plus she doesn't sound like a very responsible breeder to me in the first place.

As far as the price she wants - I think that is very very very inexpensive for a Yorkie - and, if they are nice little purebreds, I certainly wouldn't expect her to drop her price any further.


I wouldn't hesitate getting a nice little puppy from another person - there's no guarantee that a second pup from the same parents will be similar in temperment, size, etc. And - you could get as nice a little pup from another set of Yorkies -----but I think you'll be hard put to find any others selling for the same low price.

Good luck! Carol Jean

I agree with everyone on this. If it looks like a duck.................
\You didn't say, is she planning to register these puppies without DNA. That would not be right at all.

Stear clear of this litter, unless you like ducks.

I think you mis read.
She didn't give a price, she said they were $200 to $300 more than she paid for the first one.

Don't do it for all the reasons previously posted.

Update
 

Just wanted to give you all an update:

My husband and I have decided NOT to purchase another puppy from this breeder. We feel that she is unethical, and is scheming to get "rid" of this multi-sired litter as yorkies before they show any signs of the mixed breed.

We consider ourselves lucky to have our little girl, Emma, and love her to pieces, but due to the unfortunate circumstances with her breeder, will not be getting her a blood sister. We will continue to look for a possible "sister" for her in the next 2-6 months through another breeder.

I have a comment in to AKC regarding this, and will follow up with them to make sure they take action against this breeder. I did find out that it's only $2 a puppy, plus the normal litter fees to have the litter DNA'ed, and $20 for each parent. Seems like a very small amount to find out, and I can't believe the breeder is bypassing this step. It IS much more expensive to register a multi-sired litter, but I feel she is more than making up for that anyway with her raised prices. I will keep you all posted on what if any action is taken, and what answers they give me.

The Studs Owner
 

The stud's owner should be informed as well incase they are expecting a puppy back from the litter as the stud fee. It sounds like she may be trying to pull one on all involved.
Teri

You've made the right choice. Personally, I would avoid this breeder...just too many red flags. Even if you were to get a pup from the same parents as the pup you have now, there's no guaranteeing that they'd even have similar personalities anyway.
You are wise to avoid purchasing from her again.

I know it was a hard decision to make, but I know you did the right thing. It would be a very hard decision for me to have to make. I, like you, wanted my second yorkie to come from the exact same parents as my first yorkie. If this had happened to me, it would have been a hard decision to make to have to bypass your original breeder. But it will definately be worth it in the end. I also think that she is trying to get rid of the puppies before they start showing signs of a mix breed. How sad. :(

Update
 

I finally got a call back from AKC today, and they won't do ANYTHING!!!

They said unless I had purchased a puppy, and could send them the papers and photos of the dog, and several reasons why I thought the dog wasn't purebread, that there wasn't any action they could take.

I explained the conversation between myself and the breeder, and that I knew the female had tied with another dog that was not purebred. I told the AKC rep that I knew that there was a good chance the puppies weren't purebred, and the reasons I thought this (her selling them so young, raising the price, calling them "Christmas" puppies, etc.), but she maintained that AKC couldn't do anything based on my allegations, that they needed proof.

So basically, as long as the buyers don't know the story of how the female was bred, and don't notice that their puppies aren't pure yorkie, the breeder gets off scott free! I even asked this question when I was on the phone with AKC, and she said, "yes m'am"!!! Ugh.

I was under the understanding that any multi-sired or possible multi-sired litters MUST be DNA'ed before registering the puppies. This makes me leary of ANY breeder-I bet this kind of thing happens more often than you'd think!

Pretty interesting isnt it?? So as long as a breeder says its purebred...it is?? This is wroooooooong!!! I cant believe the AKC rep just brushed this off...way to keep the breed pure!!

Dawn

[QUOTE=Suzy]

"They said unless I had purchased a puppy, and could send them the papers and photos of the dog, and several reasons why I thought the dog wasn't purebread, that there wasn't any action they could take."

It sounds like if you truly want to get her, you have to buy one of her pups and make the formal complaint.

Teri:animal-pa

She sounds like a careless breeder ( to say the least), but accidents can happen. BUT when they do you DO NOT sell them with AKC papers or anyother registration papers PERIOD! Unless you DNA the sire , dam and ALL the puppies. I think it's $40 each dog with AKC. Her careless mistake, thats the price she needs to pay if she is honest! If she doesn't DNA she need to be honest and say that it's possible they are mixed and sell them without papers and for a lower price. AKC is not fool proof thats for sure. You are required to DNA your studs after a certain amount of litters, however they do not check the DNA results right away and compare the results against the said sires DNA. It's random DNA checks that find the problems. Why even issue a DNA cert. for a dog if they don't check right away to see if it is correct? You would think AKC would be all over that info. you gave them but she will get away with it unless she gets a kennel check and they do DNA onthat litter at her house, or if that litter comes up for a random check at the AKC office. Anyway, I'm glad you are not going to support a breeder that does breeding/business like that.

:thumbup: Agreed.

I'm glad you guys decided not to get another one from this breeder!

Update
 

I looked in a few newspapers around the state today for another female Yorkie puppy...we can't get one yet until we find a house, but I still like to look ;)

I found an ad for Yorkie puppies-both males and females, at a reasonable price-with a phone # that DID NOT match the one of the breeder we got Emma from. I double checked, just to make sure I didn't call her on accident.

So, I called the #, and there was no mistaking her voice. I think she added a line or got a new #-could this be so that previous buyers couldn't find her!??! :eek:

So, I asked her if she still had yorkies, and she said "1 male, 1 tiny female". I asked how much, and she's lowered the price on the female $300!!! After she wouldn't give me a better deal on one in the first place! :mad: !!! I just feel betrayed in a way, and I know I didn't want a puppy from her from this litter anyway, with them possibly being a mix and all. But still!

I'm sure the puppies are getting older now and showing signs of a mixed breed-she wanted them gone by the end of November, and there were 4 in the litter. She was so certain that they'd be "Christmas Puppies" and they'd sell in no time..I'm kind of glad they haven't. Maybe she'll learn from this, that trying to pull the wool over people's eyes isn't the right way to go about business.

Wow - she sounds like she's doing exactly what she wants to do and screw the people who think they're getting a purebreed yorkie. That's pretty sad and I'm sorry that happened to you - but people are out to make money and you're right - she probably wants them sold before the signs of the mix start showing. REAL nice.

If I were you I'd feel lucky you and she had your little talk and just do a REVIEW on her in the Breeders Review section so it's out there on the net as a possible red flag for others who may be looking...this site gets alot of hits a day and many are only reading to find puppies. you may not be able to do anything but you can warn others about what you know to be true