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neener 10-09-2006 07:28 PM

All I can say is that I'm totally happy with my baby and so are many many other people. I had a very good experience. Susan has friends in Brazil that are breeders, so yes I believe that they would send the puppies to the USA for homes and that they are not puppy mills. People should do their research and find out for themselves ,everyone is going to buy from whoever they believe in. :) You have to put your trust in someone. There are plenty of bad breeders out there that you have to watch out for.

kaymo 10-09-2006 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by diva pup
You know I wish that you all would pick a side of the fence and stay there. Either you are for puppymills and brokers who buy from them or you are against them. I see more threads on here about puppies that are bought from a non reputable breeder and or a pet store/broker or straight from a mill and the whining begins about how these people are bad and there puppy is not what they expected or worse... sick.

The only way to put bad breeders out of business is to NOT BUY FROM THESE PLACES. Gosh!! I wish you all would figure it out. Of COURSE they are nice when you speak to them... THEY WANT YOUR MONEY.

IMO you would be doing the yorkshire terrier breed a service if INSTEAD of giving kudos to the brokers and bybs you suggest that people go to a reputable breeder to begin with. Then you do not have to worry about Mills, brokers, scammers etc etc etc..

BTW... there are PLENTY of mills in Brazil.


:goodpost: :bravo: I've made my feelings clear about this broker in a post that was locked.....seems funny how the name of this broker keeps popping up all over this site. I agree diva pup, we need to support the reputable breeders and stop the mills and byb! If someone doesn't think that's a problem read some of the recent posts on this site.

kaymo 10-09-2006 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by neener
All I can say is that I'm totally happy with my baby and so are many many other people. I had a very good experience. Susan has friends in Brazil that are breeders, so yes I believe that they would send the puppies to the USA for homes and that they are not puppy mills. People should do their research and find out for themselves ,everyone is going to buy from whoever they believe in. :) You have to put your trust in someone. There are plenty of bad breeders out there that you have to watch out for.


Here's the thing....Susan says she's been there but have you? Have you seen the living conditions of these yorkies or are you taking her word for it as you give her a whole bunch of your money for a cute little puppy? And what about the poor mother that he's ripped away from so Susan can take him to her live at her home without his mother for a few weeks before she turns around and charges you a whole bunch of your money for him. The problem is we don't want to think about all that ugliness when we're looking at a cute picture of a puppy, it makes us uncomfortable and we'd rather not have to deal with it. So when the broker tells us they're not from a mill and that she loves these little puppies so much and that no one would buy them if she didn't sell them for the breeder, we want to believe her because well she's so nice!

You say there are plenty of bad breeders out there and you have to trust someone? Well no one here is recommending bad breeders we're recommending reputable breeders of which there are plenty! Lucky for us some very knowledgable members have told us what to look for in a reputable breeder and what questions to ask!

honeybrown_43 10-11-2006 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kaymo
Here's the thing....Susan says she's been there but have you? Have you seen the living conditions of these yorkies or are you taking her word for it as you give her a whole bunch of your money for a cute little puppy? And what about the poor mother that he's ripped away from so Susan can take him to her live at her home without his mother for a few weeks before she turns around and charges you a whole bunch of your money for him. The problem is we don't want to think about all that ugliness when we're looking at a cute picture of a puppy, it makes us uncomfortable and we'd rather not have to deal with it. So when the broker tells us they're not from a mill and that she loves these little puppies so much and that no one would buy them if she didn't sell them for the breeder, we want to believe her because well she's so nice!

You say there are plenty of bad breeders out there and you have to trust someone? Well no one here is recommending bad breeders we're recommending reputable breeders of which there are plenty! Lucky for us some very knowledgable members have told us what to look for in a reputable breeder and what questions to ask!

Yo what is with you?? What is your personal issue against Topknotch? Seems like every post I go into where people have something good to say about them you just come back with some bullcrap. People are going to make their own decision regardless of how much you want to bash decent brokers! I just pray you never get a sick one from your sold called reputable breeder..then what??!! Your just helping promote topknotch even more because as long as you continue to bash their business people will be more and more curious to go check them out and I GUARANTEE half will be wanting a topknotch pup!!

diva pup 10-12-2006 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by honeybrown_43
Yo what is with you?? What is your personal issue against Topknotch? Seems like every post I go into where people have something good to say about them you just come back with some bullcrap. People are going to make their own decision regardless of how much you want to bash decent brokers! I just pray you never get a sick one from your sold called reputable breeder..then what??!! Your just helping promote topknotch even more because as long as you continue to bash their business people will be more and more curious to go check them out and I GUARANTEE half will be wanting a topknotch pup!!


My question would be why is there so many threads on a Broker in this pet forum? It seems every time I turn around somebody is promoting Topknotch. Usually you.
And in answer to your question"what happens IF you get a sick puppy from a REPUTABLE breeder? You will get a full refund as well as someone who has the puppys best interest at heart too.
I assure you that you do not want to argue that point with anyone who has ever dealt with a reputable breeder. For the life of me I cannot find a health guarantee/contract on the website. Perhaps you can direct me to it? Do they have a spay/neuter contract too?

The statement you make about promoting their business through bashing them?? How pathetic is that? I haven't really seen any real bashing anyway, I have seen truthful comments about them being a broker (including from myself) and any person who reads up on any of this should know better than to buy from a broker. That is really the bottom line, these forums should be used to educate not promote bad breeders and brokers. If they do get business because of the warnings, well... there are some things you just cannot fix.

Breeze 10-12-2006 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by diva pup
My question would be why is there so many threads on a Broker in this pet forum? It seems every time I turn around somebody is promoting Topknotch. Usually you.
And in answer to your question"what happens IF you get a sick puppy from a REPUTABLE breeder? You will get a full refund as well as someone who has the puppys best interest at heart too.
I assure you that you do not want to argue that point with anyone who has ever dealt with a reputable breeder. For the life of me I cannot find a health guarantee/contract on the website. Perhaps you can direct me to it? Do they have a spay/neuter contract too?

The statement you make about promoting their business through bashing them?? How pathetic is that? I haven't really seen any real bashing anyway, I have seen truthful comments about them being a broker (including from myself) and any person who reads up on any of this should know better than to buy from a broker. That is really the bottom line, these forums should be used to educate not promote bad breeders and brokers. If they do get business because of the warnings, well... there are some things you just cannot fix.

Great post! :thumbup:

RLC12345678 10-12-2006 06:26 AM

To each her own............Different strokes for different folks...........

honeybrown_43 10-12-2006 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by diva pup
My question would be why is there so many threads on a Broker in this pet forum? It seems every time I turn around somebody is promoting Topknotch. Usually you.
And in answer to your question"what happens IF you get a sick puppy from a REPUTABLE breeder? You will get a full refund as well as someone who has the puppys best interest at heart too.
I assure you that you do not want to argue that point with anyone who has ever dealt with a reputable breeder. For the life of me I cannot find a health guarantee/contract on the website. Perhaps you can direct me to it? Do they have a spay/neuter contract too?

The statement you make about promoting their business through bashing them?? How pathetic is that? I haven't really seen any real bashing anyway, I have seen truthful comments about them being a broker (including from myself) and any person who reads up on any of this should know better than to buy from a broker. That is really the bottom line, these forums should be used to educate not promote bad breeders and brokers. If they do get business because of the warnings, well... there are some things you just cannot fix.

Honey I didn't START these threads I'm just responding to them. So direct your question to the correct one!!
As far as a contract why not contact her about that because she does make you sign one. I have mine at home in a folder with all of my other papers pertaining to Jazzy!! *rolling eyes*
Obviously she is not a bad broker if her name keeps getting brought up and not about having a bad experience. Everybody on here who have bought a pup from her has had a good experience. What can you obviously say about that. Keep continuing to say she's a bad broker when that is not the obvious!!! Who the heck said it was against YT policy to even bring up brokers! This site isn't totally for people who breed them. I'm sure a group of people have brought from brokers and have perfectly healthy dogs. And imma say it once again ALL BREEDERS ARE NOT GOD SENT!! Anywho what do you care about where other people get their puppies from anyway. If someone wants to come on here and talk about a broker why push the fact that all brokers are bad. It really isn't none of your business. When you decide to purchase another yorkie then you make that decision on your own on whether you want to purchase one from a Breeder or Broker. I Don't care who sells a dog EVERYBODY is trying to make a profit out of it!! If that wasn't the case then their would be a whole lot of people on here getting free dogs from reputable breeders!!! If your here to educate people then be the teacher you think you are and educate them on the breed and not the wrong of someones business you obviously don't know jack squat about!!

diva pup 10-12-2006 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by honeybrown_43
Honey I didn't START these threads I'm just responding to them. So direct your question to the correct one!!
As far as a contract why not contact her about that because she does make you sign one. I have mine at home in a folder with all of my other papers pertaining to Jazzy!! *rolling eyes*
Obviously she is not a bad broker if her name keeps getting brought up and not about having a bad experience. Everybody on here who have bought a pup from her has had a good experience. What can you obviously say about that. Keep continuing to say she's a bad broker when that is not the obvious!!! Who the heck said it was against YT policy to even bring up brokers! This site isn't totally for people who breed them. I'm sure a group of people have brought from brokers and have perfectly healthy dogs. And imma say it once again ALL BREEDERS ARE NOT GOD SENT!! Anywho what do you care about where other people get their puppies from anyway. If someone wants to come on here and talk about a broker why push the fact that all brokers are bad. It really isn't none of your business. When you decide to purchase another yorkie then you make that decision on your own on whether you want to purchase one from a Breeder or Broker. I Don't care who sells a dog EVERYBODY is trying to make a profit out of it!! If that wasn't the case then their would be a whole lot of people on here getting free dogs from reputable breeders!!! If your here to educate people then be the teacher you think you are and educate them on the breed and not the wrong of someones business you obviously don't know jack squat about!!

Sweetie.. please do not misquote me. I never said she was a "bad broker" I said ALL BROKERS ARE BAD. And you will never hear me say that all breeders are God sent. As far as it being none of my business, you are exactly right. Do I care one bit if somebody spends 1200.00 on a mixed breed? Nope, I didn't work for their money so I do not really care how they spend it. BUT if you are buying a yorkie or any breed at least do your homework. Do I think that some people on YT need to be educated? Absolutely, and that is what these forums should be used for other than small talk about our precious dogs. I do not want to be, nor am I trying to be "a teacher", just trying to impart some common sense on what not to do when you look for your next puppy. But as the old saying goes..you can lead a horse to water.....

Don't talk to me about WHY people breed dogs, in your own charming words "you don't know jack squat" to what goes into breeding a line of dogs that will do well in the show ring as well as be a wonderful pet.
All that aside we are not talking about breeding here, we are talking about BUYING AND RESELLING FOR PROFIT!!!!!! These two things should not even be in the same conversation.

RLC12345678 10-12-2006 09:55 AM

At least she's not like Jeff Dane from www.yorkiepup.com. He is a broker but he sells SICK SICK SICK puppies for outrageous prices, like $10,000. As long as her puppies are not sick, then who really cares if someone wants to buy a puppy from her instead of a breeder? Everyone is different.

JCarlson2004 10-12-2006 10:31 AM

Now ladies, let's play nice please. :p

honeybrown_43 10-12-2006 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RLC12345678
At least she's not like Jeff Dane from www.yorkiepup.com. He is a broker but he sells SICK SICK SICK puppies for outrageous prices, like $10,000. As long as her puppies are not sick, then who really cares if someone wants to buy a puppy from her instead of a breeder? Everyone is different.


Thank You!

honeybrown_43 10-12-2006 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by diva pup
Sweetie.. please do not misquote me. I never said she was a "bad broker" I said ALL BROKERS ARE BAD. And you will never hear me say that all breeders are God sent. As far as it being none of my business, you are exactly right. Do I care one bit if somebody spends 1200.00 on a mixed breed? Nope, I didn't work for their money so I do not really care how they spend it. BUT if you are buying a yorkie or any breed at least do your homework. Do I think that some people on YT need to be educated? Absolutely, and that is what these forums should be used for other than small talk about our precious dogs. I do not want to be, nor am I trying to be "a teacher", just trying to impart some common sense on what not to do when you look for your next puppy. But as the old saying goes..you can lead a horse to water.....

Don't talk to me about WHY people breed dogs, in your own charming words "you don't know jack squat" to what goes into breeding a line of dogs that will do well in the show ring as well as be a wonderful pet.
All that aside we are not talking about breeding here, we are talking about BUYING AND RESELLING FOR PROFIT!!!!!! These two things should not even be in the same conversation.


Regardless if you did say "All brokers are bad" you didn't have to single her out because the dicussion was basically about her so yes you were talking about her in general! Buying Reselling for a Profit.. Breeding and Selling for a small profit and to make the money back that you've already spent to take care of the pup..all in the same caboodle!! No one is giving a dog away for FREE!!! All in the same caboodle!!

Piccolo's mom 10-12-2006 11:23 AM

Don't breeders sell for profit? Sure they do! And if they have many puppies they can't sell for high prices - they sell them cheaper to brokers. It doesn't mean that puppies are sick.

JCarlson2004 10-12-2006 11:26 AM

I'm sort of torn on this. The majority of brokers I met have been bad. I bought 3 dogs from brokers and they 2 of them had health problems (luxated patella and SEVERE kidney disease). My friend just lost her Yorkie to liver disease and she got her from a broker too. But keep in mind that these brokers came to us highly recommended and their facilities were SPOTLESS clean. The dogs were clean and beautiful -- very well groomed and the place was just immaculate. Yet we were both deceived. :(

But then I've heard great stories about some brokers. I've heard real life stories and met the people and their dog. So I guess everyone is different. But because of my situation with my 2 dogs, I am extremely CAUTIOUS and I will continue to be with whatever animals I get in the future.

I'm not saying Top Knotch is bad or good because I don't know her personally. She sounds very nice but then again, the broker I got my dogs from was EXTREMELY nice and friendly ... until he had my money. Once my angles got sick, his attitude changed. So I think everyone should meet the broker in person and see for themself. No one can tell anyone else what to do ... in the end, we all have to evalute the situation and decide for ourselves. :)


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