breeders, please help me
 

For anyone that dos't know my story I'll sum it up. I was sent a pup from a breeder in Missouri to Michigan. Pup was sick and passed away after 6 days at the vet. Breeder did not care and I am now contesting payment through my credit card. What I need are letters from breeders stating how long they have been breeding yorkies and at what age, in their opinion it is safe to ship a yorkie puppy. My furbaby was shipped at 8 weeks 5 days and they wanted to send her a week before that but I waited a week. I have since been told the pups should be 10-12 weeks, 10 weeks beiing rare and it is at 12 weeks that is best. If you can help me by writing a letter and emailing it to me I will be forever greatful. Please PM me if you can help and I will send you my email. Thanks to anyone that can help me.

I would put this in the breeder section so they will see it. Good luck

Most pups are sent 12 weeks or at least 2 pounds. Do you have all of the vet's reports to state the cause of death? Have you had an autopsy done and gotten the reports?

Yes, I have the vets report but I refused an autopsy because she had been at the vet for 6 days on IV's and was poked and everything else, I decided she had been through enough. My vet did give a report which states his professional opinon. When my pup was sent she was 1.2 pounds. My credit card just wants opinions of breeders that 8 weeks is too young to be shipped.

I'm not a breeder but I'm so sorry you're going through this! Shippping a 1.2 lb puppy sounds outrageous!

oh wow - I'm so sorry to hear that ... You have my condolences :(

Poor little baby - I'm not a breeder, but that sounds way too small to be shipped in MY OPINION - I hope you get the help you need.

I can't believe the CC Company wants you to do that - sounds like they're making a sad time even worse....It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to figure out that a very young TINY puppy is more apt to have problems when shipping (hypoglycemia etc) ......and besides - there could have already been something wrong with her even if she wasn't shipped. Puppies don't die for no reason.

seems like that is way too young for shipping, especially when you look at the weight along with the age. Sorry for your loss and what your going thru now trying to recoop your money. good luck on getting that straightened out.

Legally, the pup has to be at least eight weeks to ship per airline policy. Nothing states weight or anything like that or any breed pertinant info. We all know that is too young and too little to ship yorkies tho.

I am so sorry for your loss...did the breeder not have a one year guarantee? Did you have a health contract at all? Do you know why the puppy died, was it hypoglycemia?

Shipping at minimum age of 12 weeks and minimum weight of 2 lbs is my protocol.

you can use my shipping page if you need it....

http://yorkiepassion.com/shipping.htm

hope this helps

there are puppy lemon laws although most states protect the buyer with a sick or dead puppy...

read this

Lemon Laws for Pets
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/lemon_intro.html

Puppy lemon laws? You bet, but before that tail starts wagging, let's make one thing clear: these laws protect pet purchasers, not pets. States and cities do have animal cruelty laws, of course, but a more recent development is the passage of laws intended to make it easier for pet purchasers to get their money back if that cute puppy turns out to be sick.

All of the state laws we examined give purchasers the right to return a sick or dead puppy for a refund or replacement. Most also give consumers the option of retaining the puppy, having it treated and getting some level of reimbursement for veterinary expenses from the seller.

We don't yet have summaries of the laws for each state but we're working on it. If yours doesn't appear yet, check with the Attorney General's Consumer Protection Division in your state. You can find the address in our Consumer Protection Directory.

Thanks for all of this info. I'm really learning alot here.

I'm a bit confused??? You didn't actually say what CAUSED her death... what was wrong with her. It seems to me.. and i may be wrong, that just shipping the pup wouldn't cause death. Well what I mean is if it was some sort of Hypoglaucemic(sp?) thing it would have happened right then and you said it was 6 days later she died. Just trying to figure out what's what:rolleyes:

y the way. Airlines have policy that 8 weeks is the age for shipping so I can't imaging you could win a case on saying 8 weeks is too young since the airline policy is 8 weeks ... Plus you yourself agreed to the shipping date.


AND PLEASE no hate mail about the 8 week thing. I did not say I thought it was OK, just the airline policy

Didn't the puppy need a health cert. to fly? I live in Michigan and had a puppy shipped to me from Alabama but she had a check up the day before and a health cert. (it was required to fly).

let me know....i'm sure i can get my breeder to write something

The only thing she was shipped with was what shots she had. I knew as soon as I got her that she wasn't right. I took her to the vet and they kept her, she passed away after being there 6 days. The wanted to run a liver test when she was alive but said she really was too small to get all the blood they needed. I refused an autopsy and the vet's best opinion is that she had a liver shunt. She was hypoglocemic but the vet is adament that it did not cause her death as she was on a glucose IV. The puppy lemon law is interesting though. I am not asking for vet bills which were over a thousand dollars, I just want this lady to refund me so I can purchase from a reputable breeder. This lady has no heart. it's been over a month and she has not even called to say sorry or to even ask if she passed away from something genetic. There were five puppies in the litter, so she is selling away without caring.

If your breeder would write something for me that would be great. I'd really appreciate it.

ok I'll ask her.

Only an autopsy would prove what the poor little pup had. Most contracts state that you have to get one done so that it isn't only guess work. What a sad ending.

I just posted the same thing about airlinee policy sono one should flame you. policy is policy regardless of the breed. Many times when my husband has beagles for sale, we let them go at six weeks but the ones we fly out have tobe eight weeks. it isn't right to ship a yorkie this smallor this young but eight weeeks is the laww for all breeds.

I'm so sorry. I'm a breeder and would release a puppy before 12 weeks of age But, would never ship a puppy under any conditions, least of all in the summer or winter. AKC website states Toy Breeds should not be placed in homes prior to 12 weeks of age. YTCA code of conduct states puppies leaving the breeders possession will be a minimum of twelve weeks.

Oops! I meant would not release a puppy before the age of 12 weeks, and would wait longer if a puppy is 2 pounds or less.

Dlynn,
May I ask where in Missouri did you get your little one that passed? I got my Maltese in St Charles Missouri. This lady was a little senile and when my baby got sick also when I got her home, I took her to the vet. She had something wrong with her liver enzymes. My vet suggested I take her back. I was so attached to her I hated to. I called the lady and she was very rude with me and her son also. He said they never had any problems with any of their dogs.. NONE they said. Well I kept her and she is okay now. She is 2 years old and doing great, but I will never buy from these people again.
Just thought maybe it was the same place.


Brenda & Bobo & Libby & Max says Hi!

The breeders name was Ruth Ann Goostree from Rocky Comfort, Missouri. I'm not sure where in MO that is.

I got Piper from a breeder in Kansas. She was 13 weeks when she shipped her, but only 1.3 lbs. She said she was concerned about shipping her because of her size. She took her to her vet a couple of days before shipping. Checked out ok. HA! When I got her I could see she was sick. Her ribs sticking out, stomach sunk in. Took her to my vet right away. She had coccidia, giardia, bronchitis. Took a couple of weeks to get her healthy. The breeder did reimburse me for the 1st vet bill, but not all of it. She paid a $100, I paid $300. I would never recommend her, but she did seem concerned. Now if Piper would have died, I wouldn't have been reimbursed for the vet bills, but she would have sent another puppy, If I was willing to pay for airfare. If I ever get another puppy, I've learned to get one closer. Visit them, see the parents. Do-not go on picture alone. Unless it was from a breeder on the site. To many people out there just wanting to make a buck.

I looked on nextdaypets.com last night, mainly to look at pics of all the cute yorkies up for sale. I found a few listings from the place where I got my last furbaby (petconnectonline.com). There are 2 of them I saw with full AKC registration, they are 9 weeks and have been availiable for a week in a half so they were going to sell them at 7 and a half weeks. Did I read the AKC site wrong? I thought it said that AKC yorkies were not to be sold until a minimum of 12 weeks. This makes me mad as they don't seem to care that they are selling pups when they are not ready to go to their forever home.

No you aren't wrong. According to akc and ytca code of ethics yorkies or other toy beeds should not go to their forever homes before 12 weeks or more. At 7-8 weeks of age is a very, very cruicial time. They are just being weaned and when relocated to a new home they may go off food for a day and we know the dangers of that. From the ages of 8 to 12 weeks is a very crucial socialization and learning time for these little guys.

Will ask my breeder a little later...right now she's very upset
 

A message to all: I will post this again.

Becareful with chainlink fences even if your dog is perfectly trained! You never know. My breeders' championed dog was outside with her in the garden behind their fenced yard! A kitten decided to come into the yard. Before she knew it, the kitten climbed the fence and the dog jumped and climbed over the 6 foot fence. They have been looking for her all night long!

Nothing yet. She's very upset of course. I will be at her house on Sunday. I will ask her then about your letter.

Please tell everyone to not trust fences.

Hi, I so sorry for your loss! I don't think the breeder did anything illegal, BUT a pup that small should not be sold or for sure not shipped in my opinion. I am a breeder and don't let my pups go that small or young. I'm guessing it was hypoglycemia related death. Even though the vet had it on IV drips, the pups must eat too! Pups that small seem to be prone to the low blood sugar problems more that the average. Pups that small have no reserve and can go down very fast and die. Shipping, change of food, shots, leaving their home, will make them not eat real good and boom, your in trouble! This breeder should never have put you in this position of taking on the care of such a tiny pup that had been shipped. This is just my opinion and not the law. If the puppy does not snap out of it enough to eat and get a full stomach, it's all down hill. To get a refund ( I'm guessing) you will have to have your vet say that the pup was not healthy for shipping, and why or the pup died ( breeder related) and here is the proof on paper. Most breeders to not cover for hypoglycemia for the fact that it can happen at anytime and for any reason( #1 not eating!! stress, playing to hard , common up to 12 wks) and then the chances are less, but it can still happen at a older age. I feel so bad for you, what a terrible thing to have to go through!! With all this being said , I don't think she did anything illegal, but it sure was NOT RESPONSIBLE!! Again, I so sorry for your loss

No she shouldn't of shipped the puppy it was to little and to young. But I don't think the breeder will refund your money because you did not do the autopsy to prove the cause of death hypoclycima is not covered under any breeder gaurentee that I know of. I am very very sorry for your loss. That is such a sad story.