I really dont think getting up at 5 am and taking her out EVERY morning is gonna actually stop it. For the rest of her life I dont plan to be up that early unless she wakes me and wants to go. You cant make a dog go until they need to , or I cant. I would rather do something and see if works to teach HER not to do it and to hold it or to let me know by hollering like she does when I crate her during the day when I have to. She litterally screams and screams. So if she dont want to be with it she will learn to scream at 3 am or whatever time it may be or learn to hold it. I would just rather dogs learn things than try to let it go on and on over time. That would just make it harder to break them. So I try to get a hold on it from the start.

I didn't mean to try to MAKE her go at that time. I thought maybe if there's no poop in her crate when your hubby gets up, maybe it would be better if he took her out before he left since it's sometime after he leaves that she goes, right?

maybe it would be better if he took her out before he left since it's sometime after he leaves that she goes, right?

I dont have a clue when she does it like I said. she never whines or wakes me up. So she may go after hubby leaves for all I know. I only know neither of my puppies ever let on he is even up at that hour, they never either of them whine or let on and he gets up right by their cages and turns on lights. turns on the tv and walks right back by their cage to kiss me by. None of the 3 of us ever know. once in a while I will know when he kisses me bye. and at the time the puppies are still quiet and most times so am I. As I said before, I am a very sound sleeper.

Okay, I misunderstood then so never mind. Didn't mean to offend you. I just thought she was going sometime between the time he leaves and the time you get up. I hope you're able to get her to stop. Best of luck to you.

thank you and No i wasnt offended.

Eating poop does not stop!
 

I actually tryed this stuff out of Animal Revival Health. It's called STOP, its made out of all natural stuff. They told me that if I didn't kick it in the butt when Tiny started then it would become a habit and he would continue doing it forever. They explained it like this- It comes from being bored, then after a while it just becomes a habit! It only took me half a bottle and Tiny has never done it again! Thank God! That is the most gross thing I have ever heard of...And there just toooooo cute to eat POOP!:eek: Ahhhh...If you are interested I can give the telephone #. Good Luck!:thumbup:

I just saw this info tonight, while looking at something else.

Oh Yuck! He Eats Poop!


This is one of those great doggy dilemmas that everyone has a suggestion for and everyone knows a dog that the suggestion did not work for. It seems to be more common in puppies than adults--and some really do outgrow it, though not all (unfortunately)--and more common in small dogs than large.

Besides being seriously gross, it's not healthy, as your dog may pick up worms or other parasites, as well as contagious diseases, by eating the stool of an infected animal.

The technical term for this is coprophagia. Autocoprophagia is a dog (or any animal) eating its own feces. Intraspecific coprophagia involves a dog eating other dogs' poop. Interspecific coprophagia occurs when a dog eats feces from cats or another species. Now you have some great conversation starters for cocktail parties!

There is no scientific evidence that it is caused by the dog missing some nutrient in its diet, though that explanation has been around for a very long time. Apparently some dogs with medical problems which result in their inability to absorb certain nutrients may have this problem, but there are other symptoms also. It is true that very hungry dogs will eat poop, but just because your dog eats it does not mean he is hungry.

Some things work for some dogs and some things work for other dogs. Some things don't work at all. But nothing works in every situation. Here are some suggestions that are reputed to work. To be on the safe side, check with your vet before trying any of them. These should all be tried one at a time so you will know which one worked!

The following go on the food of the poop provider, not on the food of the poop eater.

1) There are commercial products available through catalogs and vets called Forbid and Deter.
2) One of the most popular remedies you'll hear is meat tenderizer (like Adolphs) but it cannot be the MSG-free type.
3) Canned pumpkin
4) Crushed pineapple
5) Rabbit chow added to food -- about a quarter cup to a cup of dog food.
6) pumpkin seeds
7) breath mints
8) papaya
9) anise seeds
10) Viokase for a week (Viokase is a pancreatic enzyme concentrate prescribed for pancreatitis. You will definitely need to consult your veterinarian about this one)
11) Potato flakes-1 teaspoon per meal

Other suggestions are to put tobasco sauce or ground red cayenne pepper directly on the stools (not in the food!), or spraying the stools with Bitter Apple or vinegar. Supposedly this trains dogs not to eat them.

Proponents of the raw diets say that dogs fed that way don't eat poop.

If the problem is cat box raiding, put the litter box up somewhere the dog can't reach it or in a room behind a baby gate--cat can get over but puppy can't.

The only 100% solution is to keep the poop picked up and keep the dog away from it after he has produced it...an admirable goal, though not always possible.

Sources: Washington State University Study on Coprophagia
Vetinfo: Ask Dr. Mike
Coprophagia - Canine Behavioral Services
University of Illinois - Dog Column 6/2/97
Tomball Veterinary Clinic
http://www.timbreblue.com/petdogs-l/...opraphagia.htm

How did Kacee do in her "small" crate last night? Any poop this morning?

No poop this morning nor pee. She did great. But I did get them up this morning at 6:30 because Kizzy woke up for once that early and wanted out so I got kacee up and took her out, but she only peed then I put her back in her crate and kizzy too and we slept until 8:30 and she still did nothing. But as soon as I got her up and outside, she did poop and pee. I'll keep trying this and see how long it works. About how long if she keeps doing good will I have to leave the box in her crate? Or do you just give her a little more space each time after a while until you can just leave the inside of it open for her?

Well, after a couple of months of no poop or pee with Hobbs, I took the box out, and you know what, I came home and he had POOPED and PEED in his crate! I couldn't believe it! So, the box went back in. I kept it in there the entire time he was being crate trained. When he was 9 months old, we started letting him have free run of the house and we no longer had to crate train him bc he was 100% fully potty trained.

If I were you, I would ALWAYS keep the box in there as long as she is getting in her crate. As she grows, you will have to make the space bigger, but still the only space she should have should be what she can touch when she lays down. If she is always and forever going to sleep in her crate at night, then I would say around a year old would be a good time to completely take out the box. I would say about a month up until that point, each week make the space a little bigger. Don't ever take the box out all at once.

I'm so proud of Kacee!!!!!!!!! Keep up the good work little girl! :p

thank you very much for the advice on how to make the crate smaller. I am not trying to just crate train her during the day. Altho I do put her in another one sometimes when I cant watch her or when she starts peeing in a place or two like she has this morning. So now she is in her crate. But she does play out on the floors with kizzy most all day. She peed more this morning on the floor than any day so far for this early. So I stuck her little but in there and I keep a paper in there for her and she has done good with the paper during the time i've put her there during the day. matter of fact sometimes she runs to it and pees right beside it. So from now on when she is out playing I will leave it where she can run to the paper and see how that works, then i will move the paper closer and closer to the back door and at least she will do her job near the back door (or Kizzy did) when she wanted out and didnt know how to tell me. After she realized she was suppose to go out that door to potty. Then soon with going out with kizzy and hearing her bark or ring bells maybe she will get the hang of it. I have not took up as much time with teaching her things as I did Kizzy, I have to admit. But kizzy at the time had to be on a leash and harness where as kacee never has since the yard is fenced. I told hubby I'm gonna have to take kizzys old harness and start taking Kacee outside on it and make her learn how to walk on a leash too and taking her to a certain area to go potty. Kizzy pretty much goes to a big tree kinda near the corner of the fence and does job.

I bet she peed more this morning than any other morning bc she hadn't peed in her crate! :p It sounds like you are already halfway crate training her right now. It is a great method. It worked wonders on Hobbs. We are now crate training Hootie and she is doing really well.

Since you are already halfway doing it, you should try it for a little while and see how she does. Just leave her in her SMALL crate for 2-3 hours at a time (she will just sleep) and then after a couple of hours, take her out of her crate, take her right outside to potty, and bring her right back inside immediately after she pottys to play with Kizzy for an hour or so. Then put her back in her crate, and repeat the process. You also want to make outside time "potty" time. I wouldn't let her and Kizzy play too much outside yet. She might start thinking that outside is "play" time. :p

well its so hot anyway I usually bring them straight back inside after they potty. But once in a while late evening, I take them out and let them play out while its cooler for 30 minutes or so. Kizzy doesnt seem like the heat bothers her sometimes and I have to MAKE her come in and sometimes she just wont come right then. But i'll open the door in just a few minutes and she runs in and most of the time she goes straight to an ac vent and just spreads eagle across it. lol.

My Brussels is doing the same thing as well as eating others. I am going to go get the Anise Seed today. Thanks for the info.

my vet told me that when they eat their own poop its a vitamin deficincy....i would talk to your vet and see what he/she says..good luck!