I would agree that the person on the left side of the chart (reputable breeder) is a good breeder, but he/she has also probably been doing it for more than five years (estimation). Almost everyone who first starts out breeding is some form of a BYB if they are not fully educated. Only after hands-on experience, maybe a couple screw ups and lots of books and a good mentor do people become the person on the left of the chart.

I never thought my life would come down to being 21 years old, home alone on a Friday night with a Yorkie wearing a green t-shirt sleeping on me discussing breeding and showing. LMAO.

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Thanks for the site. I would say that would suit the term. I am not a BYB, but bieng new to breeding I have yet to meet the other side of the list. My pup is not show quality. Does that mean she wont produce show quality ? No. I am glad to see though that I trully have done all of the things needed to secure a healthy litter. I hope to one day be a breeder that everyone loves and can't get enough of. Are my pups presold. NO. Do I have people that are interested. Yes. I will wait until they are past 2 weeks of age, until then they are way to fragile. Even after then there are no gaurantees. I would hate to get a family excited about getting a new pup and then something happen. Mommies have been known to sit on thier young, or any other uncontrollable thing. Even pups from great lines don't make it.
I would like to have a pup that I can show. But until then I am enjoying my pup, and hers :)

I find this a very interesting topic.

I dont show but I do attend when events are in Oregon or Washinton areas. I am considering showing one of my new girls but we are still unsure of her potential she is only 5 months another month we should know for sure. Yet I am still very apprehensive because of the politics, I dont have the desire nor the time to kiss cheeks or (what ever else) to show a dog!

Because I don't show doesnt mean I am an incompetent breeder nor does it mean I produce any less pup than a show/breeder does. I breed well within the standard and I dont need to show a pup so prove it.

As long as a breeder makes every attempt to breed for conformation, color, health, size and temperment, they are doing the best they can within their breeding program.

JMHO

Amen Kimberly

Kim - I love your new page!

Summer, I truly do not want to offend you. However since you started this thread, I guess I want to know why you bought from a person that doesn't show dogs? YOu sound very serious on not supporting back yard breeders. So would you consider your breeder to be a back yard breeder? I don't think I understand what a back yard breeder is to you. Aren't there so many people in between these two descriptions in that article? What would you call them? Why can't somebody be a responsible caring breeder and not show?
Even though you did not buy your dog from a person that shows, I bet your little guy turns out to be atleast very close to show quality. So I do think that beautiful puppies can be produced from people who don't show.

I myself plan to breed maltese someday. I probably will not show. I go to many shows, but I don't think I could handle it. And quite frankly I have spoken to many showing breeders, they want $3000 for their dogs, no less! Also I have not talked to ONE that doesn't rub me the wrong way. They sell any dog that doesn't meet their standards, any dog that has a c section, any dog that didn't get big enough and males that they rotate around, it sounds very business like to me. I understand why they do this, who could keep every dog that wasn't perfect plus their show quality breeders. I just think it's a little heartless to sell a dog after they are 1 or 2 years old, that loves you, just because they didn't turn out perfectly. I want someone to raise their dogs underfoot as their loving pets. I think a lot of us HAVE to support backyard breeders anyway. Not many of us can afford $3000. I have had a good experience each time with a backyard breeder. That is, if you consider a backyard breeder to be someone who does not show.

I talked to one breeder who sells her dogs for $3000, her dogs are TOP quality. Although I think her dogs are expensive, she never has to advertise and has a waiting list a mile long. She does not show. AND she will not sell her puppies to a home that would like to show the puppy. She believes that all dogs should be allowed to be a member of the family, run around in the grass without worrying about damaging the beautiful hair, not have to be kenneled and go through relentless hours of hair care. I tend to lean more towards her way of thinking.

Now I seriously didn't want to offend people that shows and breeds. I just have not talked to anyone in my area that I was real impressed with. Seriously I know there are many loving breeders who show.

I think buying from a breeder who does not show totally ok. I had been looking for about eight months before finding my puppy. being a mom of 4 I really dont want to spend 3000.00 for any dog if I dont have to. I did spend that amount on my shepherd though but not for the reasons you would think. I chose him(actually he chose his :D ) for his temperment and yes his lines but the main reason was how he attached himself to my children from day one. I love dogs and I think if a person who cares deeply for thier dos and just loves being able to share the love of that particular breed with others it is entirely okay.

Of course they have to make money but really for those of us who have purchased yorkies under the 1000.00 range do you really think the breeders truly make that much at prices that low. I dont think so, I have seen first hand how much goes into breeding (with bigger dogs) and money wise sometimes you pretty much break even. I would love to consider breeding in the far future but only so other people could enjoy this wonderful breed as well. So I think sometimes these smaller breeders are only doing what they love & not all are byb. I just feel if you look for the bad all the time you truly miss all the good out there to. Yes byb are everywhere but every breeder had to start somewhere right?
sue

okay I just wanted to explain that last sentence before it is taken the wrong way :) . What I meant was that most breeders have to start at the bottom and work thier way up. It takes a lot of research,time,money,heartache,patience,and most of all total commitment.

So to all of you here who are breeders be it show breeders or hobby breeders my hats go off to you because I think it takes a lot to do what you do.

sue :animal-sm

I got Sebastian from a byb and she has been breeding for over 20 years, before we purchased him we checked her references & called her two vets. She is one the most caring women I have ever met. She calls me at least once a week to check on him and has even offered to babysit him if it was ever needed. I am glad that she does what she does or I wouldn't have my precious baby today.

I guess they are out there, but I have done a lot of research, and talked to a lot of breeders, and I just don't think I have ever talked to anyone from the column describing a backyard breeder in that article. I think those are both "extremes" and that most breeders fall somewhere in between. ALL of the breeders I have spoken to care deeeply for their "babies" and for all dogs in general. None of them would knowingly or intentionally do anything wrong.

Some show breeders I find a little cold and callous actually. They are sometimes rude and arrogant and don't have "time" to devote to a "newbie" who just wants a pet. I have heard this complaint over and over from people frsutrating by those telling them they shoudl buy from a show breeder and then not being able to find a show breeder who would give them the time of day.

This is just my own experience that I am siting and maybe i have just been lucky but I try very hard not to judge people too harshly.

I had a very similar experience this last weekend with some showers. I went to a show here in town. We waited all day for the yorkies to show and they were an hour late behind schedule as well. So the normal thing you want to do while waiting is talk to the exhibitors. Well they were a rude and obnoxious bunch of ladies. I can understand if they were busy, but like I said the show was running behind and the dog's were already primped up. I have not ever had a good experience talking to exhibitors.