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It has gotten so bad I innocently asked in one post the size of somebodies yorkie because it looked all tiny and cute and everybody got defensive! The funny part was that it ended being quite a large dog. I dont like feeling like i am walking around on eggshells with any little thing I say. I personally prefer smaller yorkies, I think they are darling, I would never pay thousands and I dont think it is ok to risk a tiny dogs life trying to breed for smaller dogs, but fact of the matter is there are small yorkies out there so what should we refer to them as?? Non-akc standard yorkies?? Not as big as standard yorkies?? It all comes down to a name and I do not understand the tremendous controversy. |
I think this tale has been twisted along the way..the real worry of most people incuding my self is the breeding of SMALL females to produce tiny pups.I bought a tiny female myself,she was the smallest in her litter..this sometimes happens,and Im over the moon with her.She is 16 months old,2lbs and has never had a single problem.I have also been attacked (in a forum) a few times for owning a tiny yorkie,mostly by people who get upset because they think I bought her from one of these breeders..but the truth is that I bought her knowing that she would be small,all yorkies are..but I didnt know that she would be as small as she is,her former owner was wonderful and STILL e-mails me a year later to follow up on her.What I dont see as responsable is the breeding of 2lb females to produce more tiny pups that may have problems later on.Iv been told LOTS of times that breeding a tiny female (3lbīs and under) is not only dangerous for her,but also for her pups..they can grow to have all kinds of problems (water on the brain,open fontanel (sp?) over crowded mouth due to no room in the jaw for all of the teeth..etc etc,the list goes on...this is the main reason people get upset with this subject.Iv heard of breeders that actually brag about the tiny size of the mother and father just to make the buyer think that what they are getting is a miracle of nature! I have never said (and I dont think any one else has either) that all breeders who sell these tiny pups are iresponsable,because obviosly they arent.These tiny babies DO happen sometimes and these pups will need homes just like their bigger litter mates..I think thats natural.But those breeders who fill their websites with fancy names for small pups,pretty pictures of yorkies next to soda cans and lots of zeros are BIG RED FLAGS.How can they be responsable if they are risking the lifes of their females (which they claim are their own lovable pets) by breeding them when they know that they are way to small?? This is the subject..no one is questioning wh has tinies and why;) PS:I have never reffered to Lady as a t-cup or a tiny.I dont think theres a need to tell everyone her size at all.If someone asks what she is,I say shes a yorkie which is exacty what she is...they can see shes small so why would I even need to say shes a t-cup,or that shes tiny? I dont see the need of the word t-cup or tiny at all..especially when its something thats so obviuos.Thats why I think the term is so silly.People search for t-cups because some people insist on telling them that thats what they have,when infact all they have is a small yorkie.Im not saying that no one can use this term at all..but it seems silly to point out that your yorkie is small when its something so very obvious...its not as if its invisible to the human eye..lol. |
Not What I meant.... I started this thread after seeing several threads and websites either advertising or asking for micro, itsy bitsy, and teenie weenie @ Outragous Prices... I saw a Yorkie going for at least $7750, $5000 etc( @ 1 lb 4 oz)... I know that people have a very small pup in a litter, but to breed puppies to have the whole litter under 2lbs is just absurd to me.... Then, after seeing these very expensive Yorkies, I was wondering who would pay that much for a puppy.... I wasn't trying to offend anyone or their baby...Sorry, if I did.... |
I do have to agree. Sometimes breeders use the words as a definition, not trying to sell more. I trust my breeder A LOT and she advertised "teacups" -- Tia isn't going to be under 6 pounds (I don't think anyway) and my breeder made no promises on sizes on any of her puppies, and recommended Tia for me because she was one of her larger puppies. She told me the weight of the parents and all her dogs were well taken care of. So, again, I do agree that we can't make a blanket statement that all breeders who use the term teacup equate to dishonest, disreputable people. My opinion, of course. |
I am totally against breeding small dogs just to get even smaller puppies...and these terms like teacup are very stupid in my opinion, it is a yorkie and that is it!!! It doesnt mean every small yorkie is sick, but that depends on a lot a things, problem is, sometimes poeple breed yorkies that are not healthy but are small...that really makes me mad!!!! |
I truly believe the controversy comes from Breeders who are breeding very small females and jeopardizing their health, all for money. I have a small female "runt" comes from a 9 lb female. I didnt breed for her on purpose but I was trying to breed my bigger dog down a bit. Satin had a litter of 6, 5 made it, one baby girl was minute, she didnt make it. The "runt" who did make it, her name is Candy, certainly has been hard to raise. For two weeks I got up with her just like an infant so she would get her share of nursing and supplement, I didnt take her from her litter mates or mom because I thought she needs to stay with them, she needed it, she didnt need to be separated, she needed them but needed help too. There were days I thought I should have let her slip away. Why? Because she was way behind all others. Alot of days she just sat there, but her eyes were shiney and alert but she didnt walk much. A week ago, she started walking or toddling, but her gums were pale, pale pink. The last couple days she walks better and her gums are pinking up, she can even jump over small things (very small things) But in the next month or so she is having a work up at the vet to check her out. I have very small children and she as fragile as she needs a better placement, and I did raise her to sell, even though I am very attached to her. Needless to say, her new future home (as long as she tests healthy) will be what I think to be a fantastic placement or she wont have a placement. I truly believe she will be small, tiny, minute, teacup, special, little, maybe micro.......my lil darling............Now if you think I dont care about this puppy.....then I give up! Now If you cant use any of these terms to be "political correct" to describe her then what do you suggest? |
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My breeder does NOT breed any female 4 lbs. or under. All of her females are at least 5 lbs. She does breed with smaller males. I always like the visual of a 3 lb. "stud" going for it with a gal twice his size! ;) |
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It is sad that not all breeders care about those animals...really sad for us that love these little babies:( |
Im going to try and explain why the term t-cup,tiny etc etc is silly..lol,now lets see.If you are in the street and some one stops to pet your 2lb yorkie,you dont have to use the term t-cup at all..if the yorkie is tiny,it will be plain enough to see without adding any terms that determines the yorkies size.I have never reffered to Lady (my 2lb yorkie) as a t-cup or a tiny,or a teeny weeny..why? Because I dont have to,you can see that shes small,its totally obvious.I DO however understand why some people use these terms to describe their yorkie whilst in a forum or chat because we cant see the yorkie in question and when someone uses this term in a forum we know we are talking about a very small yorkie.I would never pounce on anyone for using this term at all,but in my opinion its silly.I think its easier to just say "I have a small yorkie" because really thats all it is;) Jess my youngest yorkie is almost up to 9lbs and I dont call her an over standard yorkie or a medium yorkie...,I dont see the need to use titles to determine size when it doesnt matter.A yorkie is a yorkie and I dont need anyone to give me a special title to see if its small or not..I have eyes in my head and I think I can see that for my self;) I saw a woman at my vet once who had a yorkie about the same size as Lady and she pointed out that her yorkie was a "tiny"..I was like DUH! Ya dont say!!! lol.THATS why I think its so silly. |
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or, better yet we could call her mine as I would absolutely adore her! |
Mojo your a hoot! Heehee. |
Quote from SoCal//The internet and the law regarding jurisdictional issues of where a lawsuit may be brought could mean that a breeder in Texas could sue IN TEXAS as a result of a post from this site by a member who lives in New Jersey. This is just a hypothetical, but anyone who wants more info on how to "take action" against unscrupulous breeders in a way to prevent defamation, please PM me and I would be happy to help in any way I can END QUOTE Sorry SoCal - I WELCOME any questions and will help anyone - I posted a PERSONAL experience and do not need anyone to tell me how to reach out to people - the more people that see the BREEDER WARNING - the better... I've received many emails and pm's over those two breeders and YES they are MILLS - Please don't correct me over what I posted - I've already witnessed firsthand the problems you seem to love causing on other yorkie sites. What I posted was a WARNING from one Yorkie lover to other yorkie lovers - nothing more - nothing less. |
Defamation and Posts Hi All. While I have not taken the bar and I am not an attorney yet, and by no means am I giving legal advice, I am a third year law school student and I do have some insight to provide regarding defamation issues. The first thing to keep in mind, is that suing someone is very costly, unless you go to small claims court and do it yourself, thus the vast majority of lawsuits never reach the courtroom. Second, defamation is very hard to prove -- you would have to show that the posts here caused you to lose business and be able to prove that those people who chose not to buy from you because of the posts were in fact going to buy from you in the first place and did not buy from you solely due to what was in the posts (which would be hard because most people inquire about puppies regularly before firmly agreeing to purchase, so it would be hard to prove they weren't just making an inquiry with you about a puppy). Lastly, and more importantly, the truth is an affirmative defense to defamation. What that means is that the person being accused of defamation can simply claim that what they are saying is true and really happened and the lawsuit would likely be dismissed via a motion for summary judgment before the plaintiff and defendant even present their case. If something is embarrassing and/or shameful, but true, there is really not a whole lot you can do. That's why it is important to provide good quality when you are in a business in which reputation and word of mouth are very important. I don't mean to rant and rave, I just don't think it is right to try and threaten someone with a defamation suit for sharing the truth about their experiences with you because you don't like what they said or it hurt your reputation. :rolleyes: Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. |
Tarawood - Thank you for posting that !!! I would hate for anyone on these forums with personal experiences to be afraid to share - I checked into that before posting and I would LOVE those 2 breeders to see what I wrote - Last year, when I wrote a long letter to the AKC - I forwarded both those Breeders my letters and told them I would be telling anyone interested about my experience....and I DID and still am. I actually received more than 20 emails and lots of pm's from people having similar experiences. It's one of the SMALL ways we can help others and after I sent my letters out - Now when someone searches on theat particular Breeder - MY LETTER comes up on ALL the search engines in the first few listings - Yipee ! |
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