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JCarlson2004 02-07-2006 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRini
The more I think about this...it's not the shock that bothers me, but the fact that anyone can come in stray dog or thief...I want a shock both ways..lololol.
Well said! :thumbup: LOL! That way no one can harm our babies.

rrosenberry 02-07-2006 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRini
The more I think about this...it's not the shock that bothers me, but the fact that anyone can come in stray dog or thief...I want a shock both ways..lololol.
That's a great idea! Someone start working on that. :thumbup:

chachi 02-07-2006 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRini
The more I think about this...it's not the shock that bothers me, but the fact that anyone can come in stray dog or thief...I want a shock both ways..lololol.
I agree with you its not 100% perfect but for some people it is their only option. I am moving into a housing division that doesnt allow fenses. My husband said that he read that once the dogs know the perimeters you dont even need to keep the shock thing on their collar anymore. They just wont go past that area.

rrosenberry 02-07-2006 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by chachi
I agree with you its not 100% perfect but for some people it is their only option. I am moving into a housing division that doesnt allow fenses. My husband said that he read that once the dogs know the perimeters you dont even need to keep the shock thing on their collar anymore. They just wont go past that area.
Yes~ I was going to mention that, my coworker said that when the batteries went dead in their collars, they never replaced then, because they never went up there anymore. Good point.

hunniebunnie 02-07-2006 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by whispersmom2
I am not sure how much of this post is directly from the person whose name is listed at the bottom of the post...Carla--- But, if you go to the addy of the site noted, then click on "About Carla" you will see that she was a real estate/single mom who has become a contributing author in the PETA magazine. Am I missing the part where it says she is a VET?
I noticed that too. The author of the Q&A in the original post of this thread: Carla, i don't see any vet school training in her bio either. Her bio says that she's an animal columnist who used to work as a real estate agent/single mom/animal rights activist/co-founder of two shelters/peta employee. no claim of being a vet. did i miss something in my reading?

red98vett 02-07-2006 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRini
The more I think about this...it's not the shock that bothers me, but the fact that anyone can come in stray dog or thief...I want a shock both ways..lololol.
LOL ! good point .... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

cheryl000 02-07-2006 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by txshopper73
Let's see the first time was when I posted about Gracie's eclampsia and now this. I give. With the exception of posting pictures of my babies, I no longer can post about anything serious because of how I'm used as a lab experiment...let's analyze and dissect and prove wrong.
You should post whatever you want. You help us all out whenever we have problems, the least we could do is help you out. Just put the people who make you mad on ignore. Some people just like to argue. If you said the world was round I'm sure they could argue it. I enjoy your threads and I think that you're one of the nicest people on YT.

alisonJ 02-07-2006 05:11 PM
I have a friend with an athletic border collie and a beefy chocolate lab. They run around the yard inside the electric fence. THe border collie, Sam, can turn on a dime compared to the lab. Sam lures the lab over to the electric fence and then cuts to the side suddenly. The lab can't change direction so quickly, so he goes barrelling over the fence at full speed and gets zapped.

I swear, the border collie does it on purpose and the lab just doesn't learn. I hate to say it, but it is hilarious.

She-ra's Mama 02-07-2006 05:13 PM
I have electric fencing on the top of the fence b/c Harley tries to climb out. Only took one time to learn, but I can't take that chance again!

Never would I hurt my babies with this on purpose!

txshopper73 02-07-2006 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRini
The more I think about this...it's not the shock that bothers me, but the fact that anyone can come in stray dog or thief...I want a shock both ways..lololol.
Irene...with using the standard electric wire like I have, they would get shocked both ways. Unlike the underground wire...they have to wear a collar to get the correction. Believe me...it goes both ways when the wire sits 4-5 inches off the ground.

YorkieRini 02-07-2006 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by txshopper73
Irene...with using the standard electric wire like I have, they would get shocked both ways. Unlike the underground wire...they have to wear a collar to get the correction. Believe me...it goes both ways when the wire sits 4-5 inches off the ground.
I'm trying to picture this. I have only seen the kind that go under ground with the little flags...the dog wears a collar and get's a warning before it gets shocked. Jim's mom has one for their Lab Maggie...anywhoo..what you have zaps animal, vegetable, or mineral that come in the fenced area? Sounds like something from Mission Impossible..lolol. I don't have a need for one, but I'm not against them.

txshopper73 02-07-2006 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRini
I'm trying to picture this. I have only seen the kind that go under ground with the little flags...the dog wears a collar and get's a warning before it gets shocked. Jim's mom has one for their Lab Maggie...anywhoo..what you have zaps animal, vegetable, or mineral that come in the fenced area? Sounds like something from Mission Impossible..lolol. I don't have a need for one, but I'm not against them.
Don't know if it'll cook your veggies for you but if something steps into it, it'll send a little wave your way. Back when we had our Pointers, the grass grew up over the wire (hubby isn't much of doing squat outside). Anyway, the THICK grass actually grounded out the wire and the way we found out was our male Pointer climbed out of a 5 ft. cattle gate and got hit by a car...right in front of the house. I was devistated. :(

txshopper73 02-07-2006 05:41 PM
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Here is a couple of pictures of our electric wire and what it looks like. I forgot that I had these taken a while back when someone else asked about them.

eyedoc 02-07-2006 05:48 PM
We use the Petsafe Hidden Fence in our yard front and back. During the training with the perimeter and the flags I think when the dogs got a correction it was an irritation. They shook their heads but no yelping. Fagan is a bolter and we have a no fence rule in our neighborhood. People tear in and out of the neighborhood and there is a real danger of getting hit by a car. It's been great. No problems with behavior. Fagan has a great personality...he's a sweetie!! We forget to put teh collars on and they still stay in the yard. No problem. We had it installed in the house too. We just took down the baby gates in the kitchen and if we need it, we will turn it on so we can have Fagan confined to the kitchen without putting the gates back up again.

cheryl000 02-07-2006 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by eyedoc
We use the Petsafe Hidden Fence in our yard front and back. During the training with the perimeter and the flags I think when the dogs got a correction it was an irritation. They shook their heads but no yelping. Fagan is a bolter and we have a no fence rule in our neighborhood. People tear in and out of the neighborhood and there is a real danger of getting hit by a car. It's been great. No problems with behavior. Fagan has a great personality...he's a sweetie!! We forget to put teh collars on and they still stay in the yard. No problem. We had it installed in the house too. We just took down the baby gates in the kitchen and if we need it, we will turn it on so we can have Fagan confined to the kitchen without putting the gates back up again.
Wow! it works inside too? How much does it cost? That is much better than an annoying babygate

chattiesmom 02-07-2006 05:56 PM
Kimberly, it looks like a very nice setup. What a lot of people don't understand is that an electric fence is one of the safest and most humane confinement methods available. Unlike a chain link fence where many dogs try to dig under and damage toe nails or squeeze through and get caught in the little links, get cut on sharp points on the wire, etc. an electric fence provides immediate decisive impact that will change behavior. Cause and effects...... I touch the fence and I get shocked -- most animals, especially dogs as intelligent as Yorkies catch on very quickly. It usually doesn't take more than one or two encounters with an electric fence before even the most determined critter learns that it just isn't worth it.

txshopper73 02-07-2006 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chattiesmom
Kimberly, it looks like a very nice setup. What a lot of people don't understand is that an electric fence is one of the safest and most humane confinement methods available. Unlike a chain link fence where many dogs try to dig under and damage toe nails or squeeze through and get caught in the little links, get cut on sharp points on the wire, etc. an electric fence provides immediate decisive impact that will change behavior. Cause and effects...... I touch the fence and I get shocked -- most animals, especially dogs as intelligent as Yorkies catch on very quickly. It usually doesn't take more than one or two encounters with an electric fence before even the most determined critter learns that it just isn't worth it.
Right on! :thumbup:

SoCalyorkiLvr 02-07-2006 06:05 PM
I have never seen any of the invisible fences that are designed for dogs under 6 lbs. I don't think the collars will fit a small yorkie will they? Does anyone have one that is?

Here is a link to an article by the Association of pet Behavior Counselors regarding "shock collars".
http://www.apbc.org.uk/article2.htm

I apologize for referring to the author of the article I posted in the OP as a vet...I read it too quickly and I thought it said "ASK DR. Carla". My error. If admin or a moderator could edit that I would appreciate it as I do not want it to mislead anyone. :)

YorkieShadow 02-07-2006 06:10 PM
I would not use a collar or electric fence fo my Yorkies. I just dont care for them. My neighbors have them and their dog went ride thru it and was killed on the road out front.If they want some thing bad enough, it wont stop them.

SoCalyorkiLvr 02-07-2006 06:14 PM
I have never heard of a "no fence" rule. Do you not have pools or water features then? This is so unusual......in California you have to have a fence around a pool.

I see that a lot of people use the invisible fence. Is it designed for small breed dogs?

I like the kind Gina talked about that emits a high pitched sound. That sounds more humane for some reason.

I just don't like the fact that behaviorists say it can lead to psycological problems. I don't think we would think it was okay for children so why our furkids? We watch over and supervise our skin kids so they don't run out into the street. Why can't we do that for our furkids too?

fl24019 02-07-2006 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieShadow
I would not use a collar or electric fence fo my Yorkies. I just dont care for them. My neighbors have them and their dog went ride thru it and was killed on the road out front.If they want some thing bad enough, it wont stop them.
I agree. I am also having trouble understanding how an electric wire set at a height that will deter a Yorkie from getting out will also deter a German Shepherd trying to get IN.

eyedoc 02-07-2006 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by cheryl000
Wow! it works inside too? How much does it cost? That is much better than an annoying babygate
The cost varies on what you want to do. You can install in all or part of the yard or inside. You can contact a Petsafe contractor in your area and they will give you a quote. Our guy also had alot of references so you can talk to other customers and hear about thier experiences. We are very happy customers.

YorkieRini 02-07-2006 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
I have never heard of a "no fence" rule. Do you not have pools or water features then? This is so unusual......in California you have to have a fence around a pool.

I see that a lot of people use the invisible fence. Is it designed for small breed dogs?

I like the kind Gina talked about that emits a high pitched sound. That sounds more humane for some reason.

I just don't like the fact that behaviorists say it can lead to psycological problems. I don't think we would think it was okay for children so why our furkids? We watch over and supervise our skin kids so they don't run out into the street. Why can't we do that for our furkids too?
Some newer developments have the 'no fence' rule. I think that's too controlling, I wouldn't live in a community like that but some do and they cna't put up a fence....

cheryl000 02-07-2006 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr
I have never heard of a "no fence" rule. Do you not have pools or water features then? This is so unusual......in California you have to have a fence around a pool.

I see that a lot of people use the invisible fence. Is it designed for small breed dogs?

I like the kind Gina talked about that emits a high pitched sound. That sounds more humane for some reason.

I just don't like the fact that behaviorists say it can lead to psycological problems. I don't think we would think it was okay for children so why our furkids? We watch over and supervise our skin kids so they don't run out into the street. Why can't we do that for our furkids too?
because my kid does NOT run out into the street and does come to me when I call for him. My dog doesn't. I'm sorry my dog isn't perfect, she's still a puppy and is learning.

txshopper73 02-07-2006 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fl24019
I agree. I am also having trouble understanding how an electric wire set at a height that will deter a Yorkie from getting out will also deter a German Shepherd trying to get IN.
We have our wire set up 4-5 inches off of the ground. Now, if a GS had a 4-5 inch step, then I guess that it wouldn't keep them out but most dogs only lift their feet a couple of inches. We have our privacy fence, though so a large dog wouldn't be able to climb that.

txshopper73 02-07-2006 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cheryl000
because my kid does NOT run out into the street and does come to me when I call for him. My dog doesn't. I'm sorry my dog isn't perfect, she's still a puppy and is learning.
I agree. My kids know to come when they are called. Gracie knows to come when she's called. Rebel...lives up to his name. :rolleyes:

txshopper73 02-07-2006 06:45 PM
Your statements are a little contradictory...

Originally Posted by fl24019
Fences keep our pups in, but it's also important to remember that we're trying to keep predators and other dogs out, especially if we have unspayed females. Just my input.
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...7&page=5&pp=15

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Originally Posted by fl24019
I agree. I am also having trouble understanding how an electric wire set at a height that will deter a Yorkie from getting out will also deter a German Shepherd trying to get IN.

red98vett 02-07-2006 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

I just don't like the fact that behaviorists say it can lead to psycological problems. I don't think we would think it was okay for children so why our furkids? We watch over and supervise our skin kids so they don't run out into the street. Why can't we do that for our furkids too?
SoCal ... making a comparasion to children is just SILLY.

I wouldn't HARNESS a child (cept in a car seat).... but both my YORKIE girls have one on when they're out. Maybe Harnesses are cruel now also ? After all - it's a form of bondage. :rolleyes:

and what Behavorists are you referring to ? the ONE that you copied off the net ?

It sure sounds like all the people who actually use these fences have nothing but positive things to say... and why Keep DEBATING this ?

Breeze 02-07-2006 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by red98vett
SoCal ... making a comparasion to children is just SILLY.

I wouldn't HARNESS a child (cept in a car seat).... but both my YORKIE girls have one on when they're out. Maybe Harnesses are cruel now also ? After all - it's a form of bondage. :rolleyes:

and what Behavorists are you referring to ? the ONE that you copied off the net ?

It sure sounds like all the people who actually use these fences have nothing but positive things to say... and why Keep DEBATING this ?
Honestly anything can lead to psycological problems, too much love, too much freedom, my mom made me wear pink......my god... its really never ending. :confused:

SoCalyorkiLvr 02-07-2006 07:14 PM
You hold a child's hand (although I have seen children on leashes) and toddlers do not know not to run into the street and have to be supervised until they are old enought to know not to run into the street.

We train our children. We should train our dogs too.

The way I train my family about the yorkies is to tell them that "it is just like having toddlers in the house"....you have to "puppy proof" the house, you have to look before you close a door or take a step, you have to know where the toddlers are at all times if you are the one responsible for them at the moment, etc.

I continue to "discuss" this because I am learning from others and they are learning from me which is why I like this forum. :) No one "has" to read this thread. ;)


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