Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4811025)

I am not judging the people who feed this brand to their dogs, I am judging the company that produces it. Sorry if I offended anyone as that was not my intent. I like rice, my dogs, not so much. Rice flavored with bacon, definitely a yes, for all of us. I thought it was made with higher quality ingredients, it really caught me off guard that it is not. Just thought RC was producing foods using the highest quality ingredients, granted they use smart science to maintain high levels of nutrition,(the list of additives is twice that of actual food) or to appear that way. Great if some or many dogs do well on it, vet once said eating something is better for the dog than eating nothing.

Chicken by-product meal is what is left of a whole chicken after the muscle (meat) is removed, then the carcass is ground to a powder. It is common in many pet foods, cheaper to use than actual meat.

The science and vet involvement is necessary to make it legal, meeting the FDA mins and Max’s required for pet food, could be better than most foods available. Didn’t care to investigate further. Label says ‘natural flavors’, science can make anything taste good.

I recently purchased a product that I could put on cardboard to feed my dogs and it would pass or even surpass FDA requirements for dog food.

Just thought it interesting as I like to know what is in the food I feed my pups and what it’s purpose is. Seems to me they are out to make money, not that anything in their food is actually harmful.

Subject: RC Adult Yorkie food ingredients (Irrelevant as the OP asked about feeding a puppy)

Googled corn gluten meal:
What is the difference between cornmeal and corn gluten meal?
Corn meal and corn gluten meal (CGM) originate from whole kernels of corn, but they're used for very different purposes. The corn meal you use as a coating for food is ground up corn, while corn gluten meal is a byproduct of this process. ... Look for horticultural cornmeal from Home Depot, for instance.Nov 6, 2019


Feeding corn gluten meal can cause your dog or cat to develop severe allergies to corn over an extended amount of time. ... It is much lower in some of the ten essential amino acids dogs need to sustain life than is meat or egg-based protein. Corn gluten meal can raise the protein reported on a food label.

From The Dog food Advisor:

The Two Most Common Problems
with Gluten Ingredients

In any case, here are the two most important things to know about gluten ingredients…

1. Glutens are less nutritionally complete than meat based proteins. They’re low in some of the ten essential amino acids dogs need to sustain life

2. Glutens can raise the protein reported on a food label. So, manufacturers frequently add them to a recipe to make a product look better than it really is

The Bottom Line

Whenever you discover gluten on a dog food ingredients list, you should always question the true meat content of the product.

Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4811042)

The dentist has a doctorate in dental surgery, which is 7-8 years of college study. He majored in chemistry, with a minor in biology, and courses in human nutrition.

I completed 2 years of a 4 year degree program majoring in biology, minor in computer sciences at the University of Maryland. I finished all the required courses, when I complete the elective courses I will graduate.

I began working as a night tech at an 24 hr emergency animal hospital. Worked nights for 3 years. There was an ICU for more critical patients, an Isolation ward for infectious diseases, and the general population ward. I worked alone for 2 years, with a vet being on-call. Triaged incoming pets and had to keep them alive with the vet on the phone till the vet arrived. I took Xrays, drew blood, ran bloodwork in-house, set up for emergency surgeries, monitored anesthesia during surgeries, assisted the vet during surgery, started IV’s, prepared and gave vaccines when appropriate, sutured up any incisions on pets that did not survive a surgery, prepared any samples needing to be sent out to the lab, cleaned, wrapped and sterilized the day’s surgical instruments and packed surgery kits for the next day, gave meds, updated patient charts, performed dentals with vet supervision, restrained animals for whatever was necessary, assisted with neuro exams, behavioral assessments, TPR’s, assisted with Ultrasound exams, electrocardiograph tests, removed ticks and fleas, clipped nails, hair, expressed way too many anal glands, filled prescriptions, wrote up discharge instructions for clients when their pets were discharged and explained/demonstrated any special procedures necessary for their pet’s care, did laundry, cleaned cages, mopped floors, disinfected exam rooms and tables. Then I switched to day shift for the next ten years. OJT involved a VNAC (Veterinary Nutritional Advisor Course) developed by Hill’s Pet Nutrition for training vets and techs on the proper use of their line of Prescription Diets and the medical conditions that would benefit their use and why. There was a 500 question exam at the end. I did not make 100%, I missed 3 questions. So I am basically familiar with the nutritional requirements of dogs, cats, parrots, eagles, owls, seagulls, rabbits, rats, mice, hamsters, guinea pigs, snakes, lizards and turtles, and horses.

Incubators, MRIs, Xrays, ultrasound machines, etc. and many medical procedures and medications have come from human medicine, adjusted and tweaked to work on our pets. Human IV fluids are still being used. Animals are currently being used to test stem cell therapies, cancer treatments, and many other things that could prove beneficial and be applicable to human medicine, and vice versa.

Just saying...

Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4811042)

The dentist has a doctorate in dental surgery, which is 7-8 years of college study. He majored in chemistry, with a minor in biology, and courses in human nutrition.

I completed 2 years of a 4 year degree program majoring in biology, minor in computer sciences at the University of Maryland. I finished all the required courses, when I complete the elective courses I will graduate.

I began working as a night tech at an 24 hr emergency animal hospital. Worked nights for 3 years. There was an ICU for more critical patients, an Isolation ward for infectious diseases, and the general population ward. I worked alone for 2 years, with a vet being on-call. Triaged incoming pets and had to keep them alive with the vet on the phone till the vet arrived. I took Xrays, drew blood, ran bloodwork in-house, set up for emergency surgeries, monitored anesthesia during surgeries, assisted the vet during surgery, started IV’s, prepared and gave vaccines when appropriate, sutured up any incisions on pets that did not survive a surgery, prepared any samples needing to be sent out to the lab, cleaned, wrapped and sterilized the day’s surgical instruments and packed surgery kits for the next day, gave meds, updated patient charts, performed dentals with vet supervision, restrained animals for whatever was necessary, assisted with neuro exams, behavioral assessments, TPR’s, assisted with Ultrasound exams, electrocardiograph tests, removed ticks and fleas, clipped nails, hair, expressed way too many anal glands, filled prescriptions, wrote up discharge instructions for clients when their pets were discharged and explained/demonstrated any special procedures necessary for their pet’s care, did laundry, cleaned cages, mopped floors, disinfected exam rooms and tables. Then I switched to day shift for the next ten years. OJT involved a VNAC (Veterinary Nutritional Advisor Course) developed by Hill’s Pet Nutrition for training vets and techs on the proper use of their line of Prescription Diets and the medical conditions that would benefit their use and why. There was a 500 question exam at the end. I did not make 100%, I missed 3 questions. So I am basically familiar with the nutritional requirements of dogs, cats, parrots, eagles, owls, seagulls, rabbits, rats, mice, hamsters, guinea pigs, snakes, lizards and turtles, and horses.

Incubators, MRIs, Xrays, ultrasound machines, etc. and many medical procedures and medications have come from human medicine, adjusted and tweaked to work on our pets. Human IV fluids are still being used. Animals are currently being used to test stem cell therapies, cancer treatments, and many other things that could prove beneficial and be applicable to human medicine, and vice versa.

Just saying...

Originally Posted by sydsan (Post 4810936)

HI I have a 3 month old Yorkie that has been eating NUTRO small breed puppy food. I still have 3 bags but they are discontinued his food. What is the brand you feed your Yorkie and did you have any ones I should avoid? I'm new to all this! TIA

Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4811182)

This is the label I was looking at, from a photo of a bag of Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Adult dry food on the chewy.com website:

Attachment 413519

This food is for adult Yorkies with no medical problems.

The problem that most stands out to me and my untrained mind is that there are around 6-7 ingredients on this label that are actually food, like what can be found in a grocery store, the rest are additives, meaning something that is added to the actual food, for whatever reason. The fact that their (RC) additive list is so much longer than the food list tells me that maybe if they used different food items they wouldn’t have to add so many additives. I don’t know, just using my common sense here.

There are certain things that I look for when I shop for me and/or my dogs. I tend to purchase foods that can provide the nutrients we need In the most natural form available, as in occurs by nature without any additives, if possible. I try to avoid foods with preservatives, when possible.

I choose products with natural additives over synthetic or man-made. I do this because our bodies cannot always use nor process synthetic additives. I believe this is called ‘bioavailability’ and is an important factor I look for when shopping.

Another thing I look at is protein. I believe that meat and eggs supply the closest ratio of amino acids that best matches what my body and my dogs’s bodies need. Plant proteins I think contain the same amino acids but in a different ratio. To end up with a more complete array of amino acids that our bodies need, I have to add proteins by eating different plants, like a salad mix.

Once a dog food meets my requirements, then I look at other factors, like where and how the food is made and who makes it, etc. Tufts University recommends not looking at the ingredients, you can go to their website to get more info and some free tools to use to help you decide.

If you ask your vet for recommendations, and he/she won’t tell you, ask what they feed their dog(s).

Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4811000)

My opinion: RC=Royal Crap in a bag. Read the ingredients. Brewers rice, brown rice, chicken by-product meal, chicken fat, wheat gluten, corn gluten meal, corn, etc. It contains NO MEAT! I can’t believe they charge money for this junk.

Most if not all added nutrients are burnt off during processing of dried dog food (kibble).

Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4811182)

This is the label I was looking at, from a photo of a bag of Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier Adult dry food on the chewy.com website:

Attachment 413519

This food is for adult Yorkies with no medical problems.

The problem that most stands out to me and my untrained mind is that there are around 6-7 ingredients on this label that are actually food, like what can be found in a grocery store, the rest are additives, meaning something that is added to the actual food, for whatever reason. The fact that their (RC) additive list is so much longer than the food list tells me that maybe if they used different food items they wouldn’t have to add so many additives. I don’t know, just using my common sense here.

There are certain things that I look for when I shop for me and/or my dogs. I tend to purchase foods that can provide the nutrients we need In the most natural form available, as in occurs by nature without any additives, if possible. I try to avoid foods with preservatives, when possible.

I choose products with natural additives over synthetic or man-made. I do this because our bodies cannot always use nor process synthetic additives. I believe this is called ‘bioavailability’ and is an important factor I look for when shopping.

Another thing I look at is protein. I believe that meat and eggs supply the closest ratio of amino acids that best matches what my body and my dogs’s bodies need. Plant proteins I think contain the same amino acids but in a different ratio. To end up with a more complete array of amino acids that our bodies need, I have to add proteins by eating different plants, like a salad mix.

Once a dog food meets my requirements, then I look at other factors, like where and how the food is made and who makes it, etc. Tufts University recommends not looking at the ingredients, you can go to their website to get more info and some free tools to use to help you decide.

If you ask your vet for recommendations, and he/she won’t tell you, ask what they feed their dog(s).

Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4811303)

Okay... NOT Royal Crap... Ladyjane, I apologized for making that comment early on in this thread.

I feed dog food developed by a vet that meets AFFCO standards, except for 2 base mixes I buy that don’t meet the standard until I add whatever protein I want, then they too are good, standard wise. I also feed two different kinds of freeze dried raw, for days when I am lazy and don’t feel up to cooking or to add variety or I can use it as the protein to the foods I first mentioned. About freeze dried raw, it is not just meat, the diets I bought are also AFFCO approved and contain ingredients other than meat.

To the OP: Nutro is on the FDA list of foods that may cause heart problems.
In my opinion, as you are feeding a puppy, I would throw the rest away and feed something not on the fda list. I tried to copy the list here but it seems my cut and paste skills are also lacking today, lol.

Where can I check for foods that have been recalled?