Thank you. I think she's beautiful as well, but I'm biased. I adore her.

And you think that justifies it? That there are ill bred larger yorkies? You can tell yourself that but it won't ever make it so. To intentionally ignore the fact that the breeder is bad is just asking for problems. I hope that doesn't happen for your puppy's sake.

I am not going to argue the point with you. You have clearly made your decision and all I can say is good luck to you and to the puppy.

I never said I wanted a teacup. I said smaller yorkie between 3 to 5 lbs. Is this a teacup? If it is then I guess I want a teacup lol It's sad I feel I have to defend myself now while I don't see what the fuzz is about now. There are tons of people who search for a smaller size or larger size yorkies for many reasons and there is NOTHING wrong with that. Teacups I know it's not healthy but as the yorkie is a range of 4 to 40 lbs it is very reasonable to want one leaning under a certain size of if you want one above a certain size as that is can play a factor to many people who is looking to get a new family member. As long as it's healthy and the bloodline is healthy I don't see why you have to talk about sickly or tiny puppies. I agree with you guys about teacups which means to me under 2.5 lbs but I'm not even getting one or want a teacup lol

I did. I definitely wouldn't buy from her. It wasn't personal at that point, as I didn't really have a basis like now. I would hope that her contract making sure puppies are healthy was more for caring, but you're right, despite that, she does the process of this.

oh no no no. Lady Jane is just trying to educate you. It's not recommended to breed smaller yorkies together. There are so many people who go in there to buy these guys and I'm one of them. Had I known I could have researched this jerk who sells these guys to brokers (my puppy) and ships them out to other states. I had to go through a gauntlet of tests because of her liver numbers. Thank God they are better and improving. It will save you worry and stress, and most of all, thousands. You seem like one that loves this breed as much as the rest of us. It's scary to see a any puppy, much less YOUR puppy that you love so much be sick with a genetic disorder or the issues breeding smaller pups together. If you look up either google or the search bar here, there is a post I recall from a breeder on here that says a responsible breeder will go back, well, a good number of generations back. If you've fallen in love with Marie, being a person that was chosen by my dog, I understand that instant love. Totally understand that. You could get information to ask questions and be prepared and informed on any thing that COULD go wrong. I could write for days about comments from uninformed people who have so much wrong information it makes me sad. Wrong post for that, though.

Lady Jane. I'm just saying that any type of puppy can be a risk. The breeder I picked does seem to have under 5 lbs yorkies but they are not expensive and family raised. Under 5 lbs does not mean unhealthy nor did he ever said his yorkies are small and therfore better. Besides where I live no one cares about teacups lol if I did wanted a super small dog I could just go for a chihuahua :p

Actually, teacup is not under 2.5 lbs. I would put it an under 5 pounds. You don't have to do anything...I didn't ask you to defend yourself.

I am telling you that you are looking for a problem with this breeder. This is not a reputable breeder. Does it mean your puppy will be ill? No, not really; but, I would say it is more at risk of being so. I don't care where the puppy is raised...in a barn or a home it isn't in the best interest of the pups to breed puppies the way this person is.

Sickly? I am not just talking about sickly...I am talking about puppies with congenital conditions and you will never convince me that this person is breeding healthy puppies. No one who cares about the breed would put a 2.8 pound female through a pregnancy.

Looking for 3-5 pounds is looking for under standard. No matter what tag you put on it....tiny, teacup...matters not.

I said it before and let me repeat myself. I shared my thoughts and my experiences with you.....and I don't wish that you will have a sick puppy. I hope your puppy is healthy. I just feel he/she is a high risk puppy is all. Your choice. BUT I am not going to just sit on my hands here and not warn you...or anyone else who might come along and read this.

Jenny penny I do know lady Jane was educating me. But 5lbs mom and 3 lbs dad seems fine to me.

Yes lady Jane I got your point. The.other litter was with a 2.8lbs mom and same 3lbs dad. 2 puppies are healthy and now 2.5 at 5months and there is one puppy left who is soooooooooo cute and sturdy too. But who knows if it does have problems later on. I don't know.

Under 5lbs a teacup? Hmm okay it is small but I always thought a teacup was under 2.5lbs so I'm wrong?

I hope Marie will.be fine being from a 5lbs mom and 3 lbs dad. I might be completely wrong about saying that I feel my breeder is reputable as far as my research on others and on this one but so far is the best breeder I came across not to mention lives nearby which I prefer. So my fingers and toes are crossed I'm not wrong about this one cause it's also a stressful search.

My boys are half-brothers -- they have the same mother but different (but very similar) fathers. They were purchased from the same man. My Zeus will be 2 in October and has finally hit 5 lbs. He had Legg-Calve-Perthes Disease, and the pain medicine gave him a bleeding ulcer. It has taken months to get my sweet boy's weight back up. My baby, Perseus, is 7 months old and already slightly outweighs his brother (he weighs 5.4 lbs.). Zeusy is very thin and lanky. Percy is not fat by any stretch, but is stocky built. They are the same height, but Zeusy just looks much thinner. You can feel their leg bones, and Percy's are larger than Zeusy's. I wouldn't trade my boys for anything. I love them both so much. I can carry them (one in each arm), or they both fit in my fabric sling carrier perfectly. I'm thinking of getting a stroller that will fit both of them for times when we take them places they can be pushed.

That is gorgeous but so sorry about Zeus's Legg-Calve-Perthes Disease! I hope all is okay now and stays okay!

My best friend's Angel is 9lbs and never a day sick in her life. She is 11 years this year. Angel looks small but is heavy lol I don't know where she hides the weight! So you have like a BIG 5lbs and a small 5LBS. The poofy hair can also be deceiving lol

Strollers!! Haha i saw some people with strollers and my bf said he saw me with one of those one day with Marie. :p

Lol, actually while funny.. purchase one. People just come right on up and touch your dog. :eek: I've had to run DH into the wall quite a few times because some well meaning person comes stomping up. I think of that Jessica Rabbit spoof sometimes. "OH MY!!! A YOOOOORRRKKKIIIIEEE!!!" Instead of OH my it's a MAAAANNN. That's why Chews has taken to perching on my shoulder. She'll duck now before someone gets in her face.

Hahaha JennaPenny. You make me laugh :p

To LadyJane: I did more research cause I just couldn't sleep anymore after what you said about the breeder. I'm paranoid about anything that has to do with Marie now. I do see your point with the red flag as he did breed previously a smaller mom than Marie's mom. It was the other pos. factors that I weighed down too which made me think he was okay. So I can only hope and pray that Marie will be healthy.

I hope so, too! :)

I would not buy from a breeder that used dams that small. Under 5 lbs is extremely risky. Even though your puppy is from the larger dam, he still breeds that tiny girl. Poor thing. I have a recent addition to our family, Bindi, who is a backyard breeder rescue. She is fat now, and I have no idea of her weight, but she is 1" shorter than Toto (who is almost 5 lbs), 2" shorter than Uni (who is about 7 lbs). At her ideal weight she should be in the 4 lb range. I could never imagine her being bred at her size. Yet she was bred again and again, until she was too old, and her "owners" didn't want her anymore. I can't image one smaller than Bindi being bred. That just sickens me. :(

I don't know much about breeding yorkies and I'm a new yorkie mum however I do know that surely weight shouldn't matter. And how come people estimate potential full weights? I saw my Addies mum and dad, dad was the heaviest and weighs 3.8lbs. Addie is 12 weeks old and is currently already 3lbs. So not likely to be mum and dads size.
Although mum and dad were small they seem super healthy :)

I have two yorkies- my girl was the runt of the litter and fully grown at 3.7 pounds...my boy, (learned so much an bought from amazing show lines who are wonderful and rarely sell pups), is 7 months and 4.2 pounds, still growing, but also the runt. I love my runts of the litters lol!

I agree ... but am in this situation right now and my Marie is born next month.
I have to just hope that all will be okay. I do take all responsibilities that follows.
The other breeders in my area raised a red flag due to the fact they had so many different breeds. I don't wanna get into import dogs either...

Just to clarify again, Marie's mom is 5lbs and the dad is 3lbs.
It was the previous litter that the mom was smaller. I hope my chances of a healthy Marie is higher since it's a different mom. :)

Gently saying this, I think the concern is more about supporting a breeder who has questionable breeding ethics, not your particular chosen litter. First time I around, I didn't know as much and was in same boat.

I'll tell you my story :p
Boss of my boyfriend has 2 chihuahua's. They were long hair and very cute. I went through a "I really want a chihuahua" phase. My boyfriend said "okay". I did my research on chihuahua's and then came across yorkies and was absolutely sure that a yorkie is THE ONE. It's that love at first sight feeling :p And seeing yorkies in the parks was the most exciting feeling! So going through a "I really want a yorkie" phase, my boyfriend said "okay". I started obsessing about how to care for a yorkie, what I need, where to get them etc... I didn't care prior about the size as I JUST WANTED A YORKIE and would move heaven and earth to find one :p

Where I live, pet stores are not allowed to sell pets like dogs and cats except for turtles, bunnies, hamsters, fish, stuff like that. It's been more than a year I been keeping an eye on breeders and e-mailing. This one is the only one that only breeds yorkies that lives close by cause I like keeping in touch with the person where I get my puppy from before and after. So with this breeder we discussed many things (and where he shared who the parents was, their personality, size, the bloodline..) and this is how I ended up reserving a baby girl. The family I spoke to does breed as a hobby (if this is good or bad idk but they seem very dedicated to what they do and show that in their pride of their babies). Now I don't know if the family is the "perfect breeder" but so far that family seems the most reliable out of all the others.

So here I am now, hoping and praying all goes well when Marie is born. They don't charge more than any other breeders around. Here a yorkie is generally between 500-800euro. He just explained the sizes and that's how I found out that they do keep it around 5lbs. Some bigger some smaller - that's the surprise.
Other breeders has little to no info of the parents as if it's a dog farm which I certainly won't support and is a major red flag for me.

I know... At the time, I had no clue about all the aspects of breeding. Heck, it's recently I found out that the mom has to be larger than the dad. I been looking at others and still is the only one I see that is most ethical compared to the others.

Chewie is 4.5 Months and is weighing in at a whopping 5.5lbs. I think I'm going to need a bigger boat! :p

I feel compelled to chime in and support Lady Jane's points. I don't know her personally, but have read enough of her posts to know that she has seen it all when it comes to rejected puppies, very ill puppies, and saving rescues. Her persistence in informing you is to only to help you become more knowledgeable and prevent the risk of getting a poorly bred puppy.

Key word is risk. You mentioned that this puppy's momma is 5 lbs and you can only hope that the puppy is healthy. The thing is, all the high-risk issues Yorkies came from poor breeding. Heredity issues don't cut off - they are carried on from generation to generation. That's why the bloodline is really important. That's why no reputable breeder would 'pollute' their bloodline by breeding one that's too small. Your Marie's 5 lb momma could have came from a 2.5lb parent or grandparent or great grand parent. By 'hoping and praying' your puppy will be healthy...well, then you're taking the risk by purchasing from an unethical breeder who has bred 2.5 lb Yorkies.

It's true any type of puppy can be a risk. BUT, if you take the time to find a good breeder, who has never bred their Yorkies under 5 lbs, that risk (in my opinion) is significantly reduced. At the very least, the breeder cares about the breed and not just the money. I mean, it's one thing to buy a puppy unknowingly. It's another thing to buy a puppy knowing there's a higher risk, but just hoping for the best anyway... :confused:

At the end of the day, it's your obviously your choice. I would take more time to find a good reputable breeder with zero red flags. Your puppy will be with you for many many years. What's another year to find a reputable breeder? To me, even if you have to go farther, it really is worth it in the long run. For me, I wouldn't limit myself to the choices of bad breeder, bad breeder, and not-as-bad-but-no-other-option breeder.

One last note (sorry for the lengthy response), most backyard breeders love their dogs. Whether or not they're doing the right thing, that's a different story. So, "family-raised" actually doesn't mean anything if they have poor breeding practices.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Yeah, that, all of that! Very well thought out post.

OP, have you looked at the Belgium breed club? I found websites, but not in English so I couldn't read them. It might be a good place to look for a reputable breeder.

WELL it looks as if the OP is no longer a member, it now say's Inactive Account.

Wow....well, you can lead a horse to water; but, you can't make them drink it.

I did the same. I looked up breeds and as soon as I saw the yorkie I came obsessed too. Now I have my lil Addie and I'm obsessed even more. Everything about her is perfect (to me :) )

Looking forward to seeing piccys of your baby x