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KairaPup 04-07-2016 03:47 PM

I do not agree with what happened, let me just say that.

But a ways up, someone pointed out feather plucking on a bird. I have a feather picker. He's very loved and very well cared for. But he likes to pull the feathers from a dime sized patch on his neck. I tried everything- new toys, new food, different food, foraging, out of cage time, ointments, sprays, feather oils- literally everything. That certainly does not constitute abuse.

107barney 04-07-2016 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4625746)
Then I neglect my dogs!! After seven years old they are titered and not given un necessary vaccines.

Oh please. I never suggested YOU neglected your dogs, not even after the heartworm debacle.

I don't titer and don't think it is reliable enough to waste my money on it. I also do not have the option in my state where there is no medical exemption. So even the dog with the 5 generic problems including the two brain problems had his rabies shot recently. I don't put a tag on their collars becuase my state deems a current rabies certificate to be the only proof of current rabies vaccination.

I guess you think I give "unnecessary" vaccines since I also gave rabies shots to my seniors. That's ok with me, because I disagree with you, and my vets disagree with you, and the science that is accepted as evidenced-based is what my vets follow.

gemy 04-07-2016 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4625751)
The stories about those pups' dental issues do not suggest this is a person who just happened to get in over his head. Rather it suggests long term neglect.

Yes I agree with that dental issue..... Sigh Linda. But also remember dementia is a creepy crawley thing at least in some cases and many folks well at least here in Canada and this is just ad hoc from a talk show hosted by a vet who asked callers to call in about whether they do dentals on their dogs - the vast majority do not do this....

Well on that same show a different day my mouth actually dropped open - a caller was calling in about his mature intact 7ish year old male that was get this DRIPPING BLOOD out of his penis at various times of the day. The owner had not gone to the VET!!! Who the hell does this????? My mouth dropped open not at the caller but at the vets measured response. I thought that vet would at least say come on Man ANY time you see blood it is not GOOD get to a vet. Of course in a much more gentle way he came around to tell that guy you should get him to a vet... He talked about BPH etc and the importance of getting this checked out.

I have seen an 12+ month old Berner obvious double hip dysplasia limping around a park and the frigging OWNERS thought there was something wrong but had not been to a VET!! I have seen more bunny hopping toy breeds that I can not care to recall walking around the streets here - I bite my lips and move on... I have seen dogs with obvious eye problems elbows and hip problems and btw many are NOT purebreds.

Most folks when they get a dog spend not one whit of time thinking about what they would do - should do = can afford to do with a dog that comes up with health problems. Is it like a TV throw it out when it gets sick? How much is too much to spend on drastic health interventions? What about quality of life and years left? How do you think about this. What are your decision criteria

Well why should I expect humans to think of this when they don't for their human children????

ladyjane 04-07-2016 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4625761)
Yes I agree with that dental issue..... Sigh Linda. But also remember dementia is a creepy crawley thing at least in some cases and many folks well at least here in Canada and this is just ad hoc from a talk show hosted by a vet who asked callers to call in about whether they do dentals on their dogs - the vast majority do not do this....

Well on that same show a different day my mouth actually dropped open - a caller was calling in about his mature intact 7ish year old male that was get this DRIPPING BLOOD out of his penis at various times of the day. The owner had not gone to the VET!!! Who the hell does this????? My mouth dropped open not at the caller but at the vets measured response. I thought that vet would at least say come on Man ANY time you see blood it is not GOOD get to a vet. Of course in a much more gentle way he came around to tell that guy you should get him to a vet... He talked about BPH etc and the importance of getting this checked out.

I have seen an 12+ month old Berner obvious double hip dysplasia limping around a park and the frigging OWNERS thought there was something wrong but had not been to a VET!! I have seen more bunny hopping toy breeds that I can not care to recall walking around the streets here - I bite my lips and move on... I have seen dogs with obvious eye problems elbows and hip problems and btw many are NOT purebreds.

Most folks when they get a dog spend not one whit of time thinking about what they would do - should do = can afford to do with a dog that comes up with health problems. Is it like a TV throw it out when it gets sick? How much is too much to spend on drastic health interventions? What about quality of life and years left? How do you think about this. What are your decision criteria

Well why should I expect humans to think of this when they don't for their human children????

Yep, pretty disturbing world we live in.

KairaPup 04-07-2016 07:19 PM

I try to be understanding. I try.

But I work with dogs. I see horrifying things all the time.

I worry for the dogs I care for. Not all of them, of course, but some.

I am thankful my three dogs are with me. It's like the health problem brigade and I worry for what might happen to them if I wasn't their momma.

Zeus is Loved 04-08-2016 05:32 AM

Okay, titering is not allowed in Mississippi, and even if it was, would it apply to all 28 dogs (oldest 13, youngest adult 2, and 3 litters of puppies). Of course not. Rabies shots are the law here. Yes, there is a video. Go to my link on the general forum titled "Sick and Disgusted." There is a link that you must click on a computer (for some reason if you click it on your phone, the video doesn't appear). You have to answer a silly question, and then the story and video will appear. It doesn't show the "home" where these babies were kept, but it shows them after the rescue. They are pitiful. I could care less if this man is looney bin crazy, someone should have stepped in for the dogs. I know I am rambling, but if one can't find homes for his dogs and is stressed about it, why are there 3 litters of puppies? Why would one continue to breed their babies if their house is falling down? They said the ammonia smell was strong. Why, just why?

Zeus is Loved 04-08-2016 05:37 AM

This is from the Humane Society of South Mississippi's Facebook page:


"The Humane Society of South Mississippi has been inundated with calls and emails inquiring about the rescued Yorkies that are in our care.
Currently, the dogs are being thoroughly evaluated, vaccinated, spayed/neutered, and groomed! Once their medical needs have been addressed, we will release their adoption availability date on our Facebook page (www.facebook.com/myhssm) and website (www.hssm.org). At this time, we estimate that they will be available for adoption in 1-2 weeks. The adoption of these dogs will be on a first-come, first-serve basis on this designated date, and we will NOT have a waiting list or allow any 'holds' on animals.
We are working diligently to provide these dogs with the care that they need and deserve. Please be patient with us during this time and continue to visit our Facebook page and website frequently for updates regarding their status!
Because HSSM receives no federal funding, we depend on the support of our community to be able to provide the highest quality care and services to the animals entrusted to us. Adding an additional 30 animals from this seizure into HSSM's care will place a significant strain on the organization's resources.
If you would like to help, HSSM welcomes monetary donations. To make a donation toward the care of these rescued dogs, please visit: https://www.hssm.org/online-giving/"




ladyjane 04-08-2016 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus is Loved (Post 4625926)
This is from the Humane Society of South Mississippi's Facebook page:


"The Humane Society of South Mississippi has been inundated with calls and emails inquiring about the rescued Yorkies that are in our care.
Currently, the dogs are being thoroughly evaluated, vaccinated, spayed/neutered, and groomed! Once their medical needs have been addressed, we will release their adoption availability date on our Facebook page (www.facebook.com/myhssm) and website (www.hssm.org). At this time, we estimate that they will be available for adoption in 1-2 weeks. The adoption of these dogs will be on a first-come, first-serve basis on this designated date, and we will NOT have a waiting list or allow any 'holds' on animals.
We are working diligently to provide these dogs with the care that they need and deserve. Please be patient with us during this time and continue to visit our Facebook page and website frequently for updates regarding their status!
Because HSSM receives no federal funding, we depend on the support of our community to be able to provide the highest quality care and services to the animals entrusted to us. Adding an additional 30 animals from this seizure into HSSM's care will place a significant strain on the organization's resources.
If you would like to help, HSSM welcomes monetary donations. To make a donation toward the care of these rescued dogs, please visit: https://www.hssm.org/online-giving/"




First come, first served may put them in even worse conditions than where they came from.

I will pray for those poor yorkies.

ladyjane 04-08-2016 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus is Loved (Post 4625925)
Okay, titering is not allowed in Mississippi, and even if it was, would it apply to all 28 dogs (oldest 13, youngest adult 2, and 3 litters of puppies). Of course not. Rabies shots are the law here. Yes, there is a video. Go to my link on the general forum titled "Sick and Disgusted." There is a link that you must click on a computer (for some reason if you click it on your phone, the video doesn't appear). You have to answer a silly question, and then the story and video will appear. It doesn't show the "home" where these babies were kept, but it shows them after the rescue. They are pitiful. I could care less if this man is looney bin crazy, someone should have stepped in for the dogs. I know I am rambling, but if one can't find homes for his dogs and is stressed about it, why are there 3 litters of puppies? Why would one continue to breed their babies if their house is falling down? They said the ammonia smell was strong. Why, just why?

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

gemy 04-08-2016 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus is Loved (Post 4625925)
Okay, titering is not allowed in Mississippi, and even if it was, would it apply to all 28 dogs (oldest 13, youngest adult 2, and 3 litters of puppies). Of course not. Rabies shots are the law here. Yes, there is a video. Go to my link on the general forum titled "Sick and Disgusted." There is a link that you must click on a computer (for some reason if you click it on your phone, the video doesn't appear). You have to answer a silly question, and then the story and video will appear. It doesn't show the "home" where these babies were kept, but it shows them after the rescue. They are pitiful. I could care less if this man is looney bin crazy, someone should have stepped in for the dogs. I know I am rambling, but if one can't find homes for his dogs and is stressed about it, why are there 3 litters of puppies? Why would one continue to breed their babies if their house is falling down? They said the ammonia smell was strong. Why, just why?

Thanks I found that video.

gemy 04-08-2016 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4625929)
First come, first served may put them in even worse conditions than where they came from.

I will pray for those poor yorkies.

:thumbup::thumbup: Why not do pre-screening? Got the time use it to actually flocking qualify your adopters????

mimimomo 04-08-2016 10:11 AM

In the video, the Yorkies look like they have atrophy, from being in the crate most of their lives.

These precious rescues need a home that will work w/them, rehabilitate them. Not just someone wanting to adopt a cute Yorkie. Hope the shelter that's adopting them out will take serious considerations when finding their new forever homes.

Zeus is Loved 04-08-2016 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4625968)
Thanks I found that video.

You're very welcome! I feel so sorry for these babies. Rips my heart to see them.

Zeus is Loved 04-08-2016 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4625969)
:thumbup::thumbup: Why not do pre-screening? Got the time use it to actually flocking qualify your adopters????

I so agree! Sounds like eating at Burger King. Next in line. Okay for food, not so much for living beings that depend on humans for their care. These babies have been horribly failed once -- it would be an absolute shame for them to suffer any longer.

Zeus is Loved 04-08-2016 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4625973)
In the video, the Yorkies look like they have atrophy, from being in the crate most of their lives.

These precious rescues need a home that will work w/them, rehabilitate them. Not just someone wanting to adopt a cute Yorkie. Hope the shelter that's adopting them out will take serious considerations when finding their new forever homes.

That must have been what I was noticing with the one limping on both back legs with his hiney tucked under. Pitiful existence. I won't say on a public forum what I think should happen to people like this.

ladyjane 04-08-2016 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4625973)
In the video, the Yorkies look like they have atrophy, from being in the crate most of their lives.

These precious rescues need a home that will work w/them, rehabilitate them. Not just someone wanting to adopt a cute Yorkie. Hope the shelter that's adopting them out will take serious considerations when finding their new forever homes.

They won't....they were clear, First come, first served.

Sad.

gemy 04-08-2016 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4625990)
They won't....they were clear, First come, first served.

Sad.

I have a faint hope that after first come etc they will vet these potential owners

mimimomo 04-08-2016 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4625990)
They won't....they were clear, First come, first served.

Sad.

OMD...will rescues step up, u think?

gemy 04-08-2016 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4625760)
Oh please. I never suggested YOU neglected your dogs, not even after the heartworm debacle.

I don't titer and don't think it is reliable enough to waste my money on it. I also do not have the option in my state where there is no medical exemption. So even the dog with the 5 generic problems including the two brain problems had his rabies shot recently. I don't put a tag on their collars becuase my state deems a current rabies certificate to be the only proof of current rabies vaccination.

I guess you think I give "unnecessary" vaccines since I also gave rabies shots to my seniors. That's ok with me, because I disagree with you, and my vets disagree with you, and the science that is accepted as evidenced-based is what my vets follow.

Here is what you said: Failure to vaccinate for rabies constitutes neglect in my mind. The dogs looked horrible. They certainly don't look like my pampered Yorkies or anyone else's. I realize some of you are highly suspect of the system.

You made a general statement - and therefor applies to all that do not elect to vaccinate and rather titer which by the way is hugely more expensive than vaccinating.

I don't think at all about your choices - I believe you do what you see fit for your dogs and the locale they live in. I believe that you provide the best health care that you see necessary.

How ever my vets disagree with your vets in terms of titering - which I do understand is a controversial issue. And there is evidenced based research that shows DOI many years beyond 3yr vaccine immunity still exists ref Rabies Challenge fund.

And finally in the terms of Zoey and what you term the heartworm debacle - when will you ever let that go?? My husband and I made a mistake. But we sought health care after btw her annual physical and blood exams evidenced the problem and spent the money and time to treat her for this. Just like a mere 4 months later we spent a lot more money and time to treat her for cancer. So let it go !!!! Heartworm did not kill her cancer did. That thread is on here as well.

ladyjane 04-08-2016 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4626001)
OMD...will rescues step up, u think?

Shelters like that don't work with rescues. They made it clear from the beginning they were doing all of this themselves. I checked it out.

107barney 04-09-2016 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4626004)
Here is what you said: Failure to vaccinate for rabies constitutes neglect in my mind. The dogs looked horrible. They certainly don't look like my pampered Yorkies or anyone else's. I realize some of you are highly suspect of the system.

You made a general statement - and therefor applies to all that do not elect to vaccinate and rather titer which by the way is hugely more expensive than vaccinating.

I don't think at all about your choices - I believe you do what you see fit for your dogs and the locale they live in. I believe that you provide the best health care that you see necessary.

How ever my vets disagree with your vets in terms of titering - which I do understand is a controversial issue. And there is evidenced based research that shows DOI many years beyond 3yr vaccine immunity still exists ref Rabies Challenge fund.

And finally in the terms of Zoey and what you term the heartworm debacle - when will you ever let that go?? My husband and I made a mistake. But we sought health care after btw her annual physical and blood exams evidenced the problem and spent the money and time to treat her for this. Just like a mere 4 months later we spent a lot more money and time to treat her for cancer. So let it go !!!! Heartworm did not kill her cancer did. That thread is on here as well.


So you follow the advice of a vet who recognizes that titers are bogus. I see a huge problem with that and with the vet handing out advice.

Please just stop Gemy. I made a general statement ABOUT THE GUY whose dogs were taken.

I disagree with you and I've already said why. You always have to just go on and on. I don't really know why you're questioning what I do with my dogs. I could care less if you approve of my actions or opinions. As for your heartworm comments maybe you should recall that were the first one to come bopping along and somehow ludicrously suggest that neutering my young puppy led to his CCL tear 12 years later even though he jumped off a bed onto a 100 year old hardwood oak floor. :rolleyes:

Maximo 04-09-2016 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4625929)
First come, first served may put them in even worse conditions than where they came from.

I will pray for those poor yorkies.

Whenever there is a situation like this one, there are always tons of comments on Facebook, "I'll take one because I always wanted a Yorkie, but can't afford to buy one."

If they can't afford to buy one, how can they afford to take care of one? :(:mad:

ladyjane 04-09-2016 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4626172)
Whenever there is a situation like this one, there are always tons of comments on Facebook, "I'll take one because I always wanted a Yorkie, but can't afford to buy one."

If they can't afford to buy one, how can they afford to take care of one? :(:mad:

They can't but those of us who point that out are often considered elitist.

107barney 04-09-2016 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4626004)
Here is what you said: Failure to vaccinate for rabies constitutes neglect in my mind. The dogs looked horrible. They certainly don't look like my pampered Yorkies or anyone else's. I realize some of you are highly suspect of the system.

You made a general statement - and therefor applies to all that do not elect to vaccinate and rather titer which by the way is hugely more expensive than vaccinating.

I don't think at all about your choices - I believe you do what you see fit for your dogs and the locale they live in. I believe that you provide the best health care that you see necessary.

How ever my vets disagree with your vets in terms of titering - which I do understand is a controversial issue. And there is evidenced based research that shows DOI many years beyond 3yr vaccine immunity still exists ref Rabies Challenge fund.

And finally in the terms of Zoey and what you term the heartworm debacle - when will you ever let that go?? My husband and I made a mistake. But we sought health care after btw her annual physical and blood exams evidenced the problem and spent the money and time to treat her for this. Just like a mere 4 months later we spent a lot more money and time to treat her for cancer. So let it go !!!! Heartworm did not kill her cancer did. That thread is on here as well.

I don't want to harp on this because that would be unfair. But you brought t up...and to be honest, I don't understand the mistake in the first place. You go to the lake in the summer. I live in a similar climate and there are mosquitos near lakes. I give Hw meds in snowstorms when temps are below zero! I have never missed a pill in 16 years and I won't unless I'm dead or incapacitated. Maybe Zoey died from the weakness on her system from the heartworm infestation and subsequent chemotherapy and arsenic to treat it. Sounds like a setting for cancer to run rampant. Even after this horrific experience, you play with titers and other shortcuts! Neglect in a legal sense is different from my opinions. The more I think about what I think neglect is, the more I broaden my view of it. Standards of care and evidence based practices are the fallback for me, and for my amazing vets. I wouldn't risk my dogs' lives on anything less and I don't think other people should. That's really it.

mimimomo 04-14-2016 02:54 PM

Update: 18 are ready for adoption & a couple are heartworm positive.:(

18 Yorkies rescued from ?deplorable? conditions ready for adopti - WLOX.com - The News for South Mississippi

canana 04-15-2016 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 4626172)
Whenever there is a situation like this one, there are always tons of comments on Facebook, "I'll take one because I always wanted a Yorkie, but can't afford to buy one."

If they can't afford to buy one, how can they afford to take care of one? :(:mad:

:(:(:(

There are certain posts I can\'t bare to read on social media...
So many people out there just \'want a cute puppy\' without doing their research, not realizing how much it\'ll cost, and not knowing it\'s a lifetime commitment. The more ignorant people there are wanting puppies and ignorant people selling puppies, the more abandoned dogs there are on the streets. :(

And then, I recently discovered how many Instagram accounts there are of backyard breeders selling teacup puppies that look very distorted due to being bred into micro teacup sizes. And then...to read the people\'s comments on how cute they are and that they all want one. :( It\'s sad...Can\'t read it.

Zeus is Loved 04-18-2016 01:21 PM

Well, according to the South Mississippi Humane Society\'s Facebook page, all 18 were adopted in 90 minutes!! Unbelievable. They said there was a line out the door. So much for vetting. At least at our local animal shelter, you have a pre-registration form and a two day waiting period before adopting any animal. They do somewhat vet people.:mad::confused::(

ladyjane 04-18-2016 07:04 PM

It\'s all so sad. We can only pray the people who got them will treat them well.


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