Just WOW all the way around on this situation !!!

I just feel so bad for little Einstein.I hope he soon finds his forever home. Poor little darling needs to know what it feels like to be loved.

My heart breaks for this poor little dog. So many homes in such a short time. How do you sell a pup and insist he uses a pad and is not a leg hiker knowing the buyer will only keep him if what the seller is saying is true. As I see it, Dee acting as a broker for Kathy just wanted to unload what she refers to as an "Albatross around her neck" nice way for a breeder to describe a breed that she loves and breeds herself. No regard for this poor little baby, just dump him on anyone that will buy him. SHAME ON YOU DEE. This is a little life you are dealing with, a sweet baby that just wants a loving forever home. You need to be honest with ppl that are interested in buying him. tell them he's a leg hike, let them decide if they want this dog, not lie to ppl, sell him and he gets returned to you. This pup has been shuffled around enough. Find him a good home that can deal with this sweet boys issue, it's NOT his fault and he is being punished for it. Return Sharon her money, you made a deal with her, you were not truthful with her, let Kathy take the loss and turn this precious baby over to ladyjane who will make sure he finds the proper home, and not do as you did twice, dump him on just anyone. The longer he is NOT SOLD the HARDER it will be to place him. As a quality breeder of these awesome Biewers PLEASE do the right thing for this pup and Sharon.

To Sharon, get little Miss Lacy a sister, NOT a stuffed dog that she will kill lol. (((HUGS))))

I know you mean well, but marking is not just for males. Until Sharon comes to terms with the fact that dogs do what dogs do, and makes a commitment to keep and work with any dog she gets, I think she needs to avoid getting another pup. It's just like a baby IMHO .. you get what you get and you can't turn it back in. Well, I suppose you can...but.................:(

Of course, we don't know if Einstein was marking or simple peeing in the house. My guess is he was marking. He apparently has not lived a stable life and I am quite sure was stressed out. I have females who mark ... they turn their butts around and lift legs. Some say spay or neuter helps and sometimes it does; but every pup in my house is altered, and I still have some who mark.

Again, I would not have placed a pup in a house with a person who had such heavy duty concerns about urine marking. I am totally flabbergasted by all of this, but I also am keeping in mind that we have only heard one side of the story.

I remain interested in helping Einstein find his perfect forever home and hope that the breeders involved will put him first and consider my offer.

Some links with information about marking:

Understanding urine-marking - Dogtime

Urine Marking in Dogs: Why do Dogs Urinate to Mark Territory?

Your nastiness is overwhelming, ladyjane.
If you don't mind a dog lifting his leg to pee on all of your furniture and having your house STINK like pee, that is your prerogative! Just because I don't want all my furniture covered in pee and have my house STINK, is MY choice, and does NOT mean I love my dogs any less than you! Telling me to get a stuffed dog is so insulting,but not surprising, coming from you.

Thanks you, Jkpal, I am going to be happy just with Lacy. After all I have been through to find a second pup, it is simply not worth all the heartache involved. Lacy will be so spoiled, she will be fine without a brother or sister. Hugs to you. :-)

I am not so obsessed with dogs peeing and pooping unless it is going to make my house STINK. I prefer to train my dogs so that they pee and poop on pee pads, so that I can keep a nice clean house. Obviously, a stinky house is of no concern to you, and that is your choice to live among pee and poo. Maybe you live in a barn?

Please gals...let's not allow this all-around sad situation get the best of us by slinging insults. Believe me, it's never worth it.

What *is* worth it is focusing our energy on the fact that we can all agree that little Einstein deserves WAY better than what he's gotten in life - that's the real and meaningful tragedy here :(. Maybe there is still a way we can help this poor little soul.

Take a deep breath if you need one...and just focus on moving forward.

Sharon - any more word from Dee on your refund..???

So true! These little "singletons" will always be happy being the center of the universe :):):)!

Good news all -- just received an update from a member here who is thrilled to say that Einstein has a PERMANENT forever home with her. Not wanting to get involved further, this member asked that her information be kept private.

She expressed great love for the little fella and described him as a "sweet and beautiful little dog" :love: -- and she certainly thinks that everyone else lost out by not keeping little Einstein. But hey, their loss is her gain and it sounds to me that he found the most perfect, loving Momma. :)

You are absolutely right, Ann. Let's focus on Einstien.

I got an email from Dee this morning saying she still has not received the papers I sent her. But all of a sudden she says that she signed a delivery slip for it to be delivered, but she never made any mention of that before. I have a letter from the P.O. saying the envelope WAS delivered to her and they gave me a copy of her signature that she signed when she received it.

That is WONDERFUL news, I am so happy!!!!!!!!! Doing the happy dance!

That means that Dee owes me $1500. plus $550. for airfare that she promised to pay when she sold Einstein. She never told me that she sold him, and if it wasn't for your post, I would not know.

I was just responding to the insults thrown at me. :-) Have a great day! :-)

OMG Einstein has found a home? I am over whelmed with happiness. Finally a home where he can be adored and spoiled rotten. Bless that secret member. LOVE and big, big hugs go out to that special member.

Ann, thank you for the great news that Einstein is finally going to have a permanent home and family.

Sharon, I interpret Ladyjane/Linda's comments as not meaning that pee and poop and smells are of no concern. I believe her point is that 1) breeders should never promise that a dog is potty trained, 2) buyers must be prepared for the likelihood that there will be potty issues when bringing a new dog into the house.

New dogs almost always need to have their roaming freedom limited, they need supervision and extra help in the potty department -- especially if there is another dog already in the house. Another factor is whether or not the first dog is 100% accident free.

If you bring another dog home, the odds are very high that you are going to have potty training challenges.

We brought home Teddy, my second, when he was 8 months old. He was 100% reliably outdoor trained -- not that the breeder told us that, but it was evident the way he pawed at the sliding glass door when he needed to go.

STILL, we had challenges because we needed him to be pad trained, and we had the dynamic of our first dog who was guarding the pads. Took a lot of work, but there are solutions.

First and foremost, roaming freedom in the house must be limited. Supervision, direction, rewards, and so on. In our case, a designated Teddy pad stopped the guarding issue.

The point is, if you want a second dog, be prepared for big challenges that will not be solved overnight or even in 5 days. That goes for not only potty training but many other things too. My boys adore each other, but managing 2 is not effortless.

Wanted to add to above: we adopted Teddy when he was already very well trained in so many ways, and our first boy is a very easy dog. They liked each other immediately. Still, there were adjustment issues. Took about 6 months for everyone to truly settle in.

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Thanks Ann. Wonderful news that Einstein has found the right home. I wonder if he is behaving better regarding potty training or is he as bad as the OP suggested and just needs training and adapting?
I hope Dee will return the funds as promised and that this can end amicably.
From my knowledge of Dee it is not in her nature to be mean and dishonest. There may be facts we do not know?
Anyway the important thing is that this poor pup has found a place for good and can stop moving around. Thanks to the caring YTer who adopted him.😍

I understand your point of view. However, I did my due diligence and told the breeder that I would not keep a dog that lifted his leg to pee, I told her I would buy him on ONE condition, that he did not lift his leg, and that I would return him if he did. She INSISTED he never did. It is not like I bought a dog and brought it home and he peed and pooed all over everything and I decided to take him back! Good lord, I would never do that. Lacy peed everywhere when I first got her, I would not dream of returning her. But when I am promised that a one year old dog does not lift his leg to pee, and is totally pee pad trained, and he comes into my home and lifts his leg and pees on all the furniture and on Lacy's beds, that is not acceptable. I understand it takes time time potty train a dog. But this was not a three month old puppy that can be trained, it is a ONE YEAR OLD dog that lifts his leg to pee on everything. I feel it will be impossible to train him not to do that at one year of age. I talked to my vet and he said once a dog lifts his leg, he will always lift his leg. If I was able to let my dogs outdoors to potty, I would have kept him, however, my dogs are indoor dogs, so I can't do that. I simply do not want a house smelling of pee because there is pee all over my furniture.

If he wasn't as bad as I said he was, believe me, I would have kept him. It broke my heart to return him because he was such a sweet dog. And Lacy absolutely loved him! But he was sold to me under false pretenses. I am not the bad person here.

I am hoping the new owner can take him outside to pee, because he will be a perfect dog for someone who can do that. Bless her caring heart for buying him and giving him a good home.

You are something else. How long did you have him? He made your house smell? LOL whatEVER Did you try belly bands? Did you try training? Of course not...you just got flipped out over him lifting his leg. Poor thing had no chance with you.

LOL throwing out that maybe I live in a barn is about your speed. I remember your little tirade against another member here. :rolleyes:

Sorry the truth hit you so hard but hey...it is what it is. And, let me just repeat myself and say this: If you cannot commit to proper training, don't get another live being.

LOL and you are nice? We have seen your act before.

Belly bands would have protected your furniture until you trained him; but no, you wanted perfect. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

The truth is what it is...the truth.

I do hope it is a wonderful home. He certainly deserves it....they all do. They don't come to us knowing how to live in our homes...it is our job to teach them.

LOL who cares? She is who she is.

My take on all of this:

We only know one side of this story.

I don't know that there were false pretenses. What I DO know is that IF Sharon asked questions like that and said she would return a pup if he lifted his leg; she would not have gotten one from me. Period. I have seen pups lift their legs suddenly one day after never doing it previously. Stuff happens. I prefer to adopt to people who are going to make a long term commitment.

So...IF this really happened as she says....I say shame on both sides. Again...I hope that pup is in a GOOD home and will never want for anything.

OK...it's been fun; but I have to get off now and feed the pigs. :D

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LJ. LOL about feeding the pigs!!
I have a male YORKIE who can both lift his leg and squat. I know another girl YORKIE who does a handstand on her front legs to pee. That is funny to watch. So dogs have different peeing habits!
All I know is that my one year old adopted male was said to be house trained when I got him, but it took a little time and patience to prove it in my home! I understood that it is too much to ask anyone giving up a dog to promise that the dog would never pee in the house. And perhaps Dee should never have sold the dog under those unrealistic conditions. First it is hard for a dog to adapt to a new home and other pets. The previous owner in my home had a cat. Only after I removed the carpet and put in wood floors did my dog not pee in the house again. He was marking as a result of smells left by the cat. Einstein was probably following the same path as I am sure Lacy left some odors in your home. Not being mean, but I am sure she took some time to be perfectly 'clean'. Could be that no other new dog could be perfectly house trained at first without a little patience and retraining?
I too think you might consider just having one dog as it is very risky to expect a new dog to be perfect at once.
It is a shame that you all had such bad experiences and I do hope that this can be resolved soon to your satisfaction.

I am ONE LUCKY GAL. When my vet offered me Cody, I told her NO because they mark every thing. I have had ONLY girls, raised them from 8 weeks old. When my precious Matese had to leave me she was 17 y/o old and peed on just about every inch of all the carpets in my home. I shampooed them, then had them professionally shampooed. We humans cannot smell dog pee but dogs can. This was another reason I told my vet I did not want another dog, did not want a dog peeing all over my carpet. My vet said some dogs will, some will not. She also said Cody was neutered he may or may not hike his leg. To appease my vet for thinking of me when this little boy was surrendered I went to JUST SEE THE DOG, knowing I would NEVER take a boy home. I sat and watched this little 2.5 year old little boy, he followed all the techs around the lunch room, I felt so sorry for him, how could anyone give him up. I took him home, talked to him on the 45 min. ride, I was afraid to get too close to him because, had he peed on the carpet or hiked his leg, we would have been back at the vet that same day. At this time I knew nothing about belly bands and if I did I don't think I would want to keep a dog with a diaper on all the time. I AM A LUCKY GAL, Cody has NEVER peed on the carpeting, hiked his leg ONCE when I was walking him along a fence, so now we do not walk near anything that is higher then grass. He has NEVER hiked his leg in the house or the yard. I have been blessed to have been given this precious little boy that RESCUED ME.
Sharon did NOT WANT A MALE IF HE HIKED HIS LEG, she told this to Dee when she spoke about buying the pup. She told Dee she would buy the pup under one condition, and that was if he was a leg hiker she would return him, Dee agreed to this, but told Sharon he did NOT lift his leg and was pad trained. Neither was true. whether it was peeing or marking, it was still leg lifting and Dee told Sharon he did not do this. Had Sharon been told he was a leg hiker she would never had bought him. This is on Dee, she sold this baby just to get rid of him, it was cruel to the pup and to Sharon, we all know how easy it is to fall in love with a beautiful sweet baby, how hard this had to have been on Sharon to have to give him back.
I am so happy the gal that bought him knows his issue and will work with him and finally this little boy will be in his forever home being adored and spoiled rotten.