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YorkieMomNYC 12-10-2015 03:22 PM
LadyJane,

I think you summed it up perfectly. Nothing is perfect in life and what works for one person, may not work for another.

While I think rescuing an animal is wonderful, it is not for everyone. I don't think people who choose to by from a breeder should be made to feel bad. ;)



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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4607914)
I find it offensive and ridiculous that some rescuers feel that no one should ever buy a dog from a breeder.

Not much more I can say about that.

As for breeders...yes the large majority suck but so do a lot of rescuers.

There is good and bad in everything.

gemy 12-10-2015 08:18 PM
I have not experienced this bias first hand. But I do think if you want to source your dog from a shelter or a breed specific rescue that is great. But it does not make you a more worthy dog owner than one who buys from a reputable breeder. Your worth if you will as a dog owner is how you treat your dog over their lifetime - it does not come from where you found your dog.

I am a purebreed dog breeder and I Promote purebred dogs from good breeders. I believe that my owners are a cut above the average person who on a whim go to a pet store - or to a shelter to buy/adopt a dog.

I believe that good breeders do not contribute to the dog overpopulation problem. Poor breeders do. Be they commercial breeders - or puppy mills etc etc.

It is hard to figure out why there are so many dogs surrendered. There is no oversight and reporting of factual number from all sources across the country. There is no auditing of these numbers to ascertain the veracity of the numbers reported. There is no reliable sourcing of where and from whom the dog was bred by.....

ladyjane 12-11-2015 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4608068)
I have not experienced this bias first hand. But I do think if you want to source your dog from a shelter or a breed specific rescue that is great. But it does not make you a more worthy dog owner than one who buys from a reputable breeder. Your worth if you will as a dog owner is how you treat your dog over their lifetime - it does not come from where you found your dog.

I am a purebreed dog breeder and I Promote purebred dogs from good breeders. I believe that my owners are a cut above the average person who on a whim go to a pet store - or to a shelter to buy/adopt a dog.

I believe that good breeders do not contribute to the dog overpopulation problem. Poor breeders do. Be they commercial breeders - or puppy mills etc etc.

It is hard to figure out why there are so many dogs surrendered. There is no oversight and reporting of factual number from all sources across the country. There is no auditing of these numbers to ascertain the veracity of the numbers reported. There is no reliable sourcing of where and from whom the dog was bred by.....
Yes, yes, yes to the highlighted sentence! It is the rule of thumb I use to evaluate prospective adopters. Can it leave a person out of the running...yes, I suppose it can, but I try very, very hard to make sure that the pups who leave my home are being uprooted for the very last time. They deserve the best! Poor things have all paid a price they should not have paid.

As to your last paragraph...while there may not be any good statistics, I am quite sure most of them come from the irresponsible breeders who simply don't care about anything but the bottom line.... $$$$

gemy 12-11-2015 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4608103)
Yes, yes, yes to the highlighted sentence! It is the rule of thumb I use to evaluate prospective adopters. Can it leave a person out of the running...yes, I suppose it can, but I try very, very hard to make sure that the pups who leave my home are being uprooted for the very last time. They deserve the best! Poor things have all paid a price they should not have paid.

As to your last paragraph...while there may not be any good statistics, I am quite sure most of them come from the irresponsible breeders who simply don't care about anything but the bottom line.... $$$$
:thumbup::thumbup: I wish I could find the APPA American Pet Products Association market research report. The whole report costs $3K wowee it must be a fine piece of work. In it they claim from their research that 40% or more of the dogs in the family home came from neighbours or friends - you know the ones that want Polly to experience motherhood:rolleyes:. 10-15% from pet stores - 10% from *breeders* 20% from shelters or rescues still doesn't add to 100% though

ladyjane 12-11-2015 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4608118)
:thumbup::thumbup: I wish I could find the APPA American Pet Products Association market research report. The whole report costs $3K wowee it must be a fine piece of work. In it they claim from their research that 40% or more of the dogs in the family home came from neighbours or friends - you know the ones that want Polly to experience motherhood:rolleyes:. 10-15% from pet stores - 10% from *breeders* 20% from shelters or rescues still doesn't add to 100% though
No way on earth do I believe those numbers. My guess is there were breeders amongst the "researchers". I definitely wouldn't pay for it.

And what exactly do they mean anyway? Shelters and rescues don't do any breeding.

The numbers should be about who is contributing to all the numbers of dogs in shelters and rescues.

capt_noonie 12-11-2015 01:23 PM
Not that I'm defending the paper, but I think what they mean by 40% of dogs coming from family or friends is that the family and friends are backyard breeders, which they are. If I were to have one litter I would be a back yard breeder.

Then the 20% from shelters is not that shelters and rescues breed, but that 20% of people get their dogs from shelters/rescues.

gemy 12-11-2015 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4608134)
Not that I'm defending the paper, but I think what they mean by 40% of dogs coming from family or friends is that the family and friends are backyard breeders, which they are. If I were to have one litter I would be a back yard breeder.

Then the 20% from shelters is not that shelters and rescues breed, but that 20% of people get their dogs from shelters/rescues.
Exactly is how I took their report.

ladyjane 12-11-2015 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4608134)
Not that I'm defending the paper, but I think what they mean by 40% of dogs coming from family or friends is that the family and friends are backyard breeders, which they are. If I were to have one litter I would be a back yard breeder.

Then the 20% from shelters is not that shelters and rescues breed, but that 20% of people get their dogs from shelters/rescues.
LOL thanks for that...I REALLY need to work on my reading comprehension.

Oregongirl 12-11-2015 05:41 PM
MAGIC GENIE...I agree that people look down on us at times for how much we pay for our purebreds. But, it is OUR choice, not theirs. They always ask for whatever reason. Then, they go WOW! Well guess what, my dogs are well cared for and loved. From the day they are born.

LADY JANE...As far as medical coverage by the vet for the cost of $400.00 per dog for two years, I have to agree about the cost of Vets. I go to the best Vet ever. I know each trip is expensive. But, these are my kids. The Vets know this. I wish there was some sort of control on the costs or oversee by someone (not the government) on the costs. We have TWO vets offices in our small town. The one is much less costly than the one I go to. But, I have heard horrible stories about the less expensive one. I have never set foot in his offices. I need to learn how to do my dogs shots by myself. I need to get the Scripts filled at my pharmacy instead of the Vet. Our pharmacy offers this to us. I have never taken advantage of the services the pharmacy offers.

ladyjane 12-11-2015 05:51 PM
I don't know....I have multiple yorkies and take them out quite a bit. I have never encountered all the questions many of you have. The main focus is on how cute my pups are... they are usually in a stroller or shopping cart and attract a lot of attention. When people compliment them, I do let them know that they are rescues but no one has ever asked if they were purchased or adopted. I believe part of my responsibility is to educate people, so I happily inform them that they were rescued. So many people believe they will never find a purebred pup in a shelter...sadly, there are so many in TX that some are euthanized. It's a horrible situation...and that is only talking about yorkies.

Now...I WILL say that I have seen people (especially on FB) start ranting and raving about the only way anyone should get a pup is from a shelter or a rescue. Just ridiculous. I really don't see it as anyone's business where people get their pups.

ladyjane 12-11-2015 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Oregongirl (Post 4608159)
MAGIC GENIE...I agree that people look down on us at times for how much we pay for our purebreds. But, it is OUR choice, not theirs. They always ask for whatever reason. Then, they go WOW! Well guess what, my dogs are well cared for and loved. From the day they are born.

LADY JANE...As far as medical coverage by the vet for the cost of $400.00 per dog for two years, I have to agree about the cost of Vets. I go to the best Vet ever. I know each trip is expensive. But, these are my kids. The Vets know this. I wish there was some sort of control on the costs or oversee by someone (not the government) on the costs. We have TWO vets offices in our small town. The one is much less costly than the one I go to. But, I have heard horrible stories about the less expensive one. I have never set foot in his offices. I need to learn how to do my dogs shots by myself. I need to get the Scripts filled at my pharmacy instead of the Vet. Our pharmacy offers this to us. I have never taken advantage of the services the pharmacy offers.
I know all about vet costs....I have no problem paying what I pay because I seek out the best and I know what their overhead is. The day that I cannot properly vet my pups is the day they should not be with me.

I agree that usually you get what you pay for....I have seen people get really cheap dentals and surgeries done and it scares me for their pups. There is no way a vet can short cut on things like that....and I believe that most anesthetic deaths occur due to improper supervision (which requires more employees the vet must pay for) and/or outdated anesthetic protocols.

It is always good to compare prices....but it is important to know if the quality matches.

gemy 12-12-2015 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4608161)
I know all about vet costs....I have no problem paying what I pay because I seek out the best and I know what their overhead is. The day that I cannot properly vet my pups is the day they should not be with me.

I agree that usually you get what you pay for....I have seen people get really cheap dentals and surgeries done and it scares me for their pups. There is no way a vet can short cut on things like that....and I believe that most anesthetic deaths occur due to improper supervision (which requires more employees the vet must pay for) and/or outdated anesthetic protocols.

It is always good to compare prices....but it is important to know if the quality matches.




Absolutely true but not always so easy to find out. So the moral is try to find out in advance of need....

ladyjane 12-12-2015 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4608274)
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Absolutely true but not always so easy to find out. So the moral is try to find out in advance of need....
Oh, for sure. I almost lost a pup years ago because I didn't do the checks I should have. Long story...but, thankfully, he survived. I now know who to go to and am very thankful for the wonderful vets I have access to.

Lilah Charm 12-12-2015 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4608160)
Now...I WILL say that I have seen people (especially on FB) start ranting and raving about the only way anyone should get a pup is from a shelter or a rescue. Just ridiculous. I really don't see it as anyone's business where people get their pups.
Those people must be from the Portland area near where I live ;)

MarkFromSea 12-13-2015 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Lilah Charm (Post 4608331)
Those people must be from the Portland area near where I live ;)
That's funny! I'm East of Seattle and know exactly what you mean! LOL Bunch of granola eating, tree hugging yuppies! LOL These are all the children and grandchildren, now, of all the hippies we had in the 60s and 70s. ;) Everyone here wants to save the world but have someone else pay for it! LOL


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