Breeder pissed at Me😔
 

It never ends for me, I swear.
So as I posted before, my baby Chloe died about a month ago. During that time, I was very depressed. I spent a lot time on this forum and just looking at Yorkies and researching the breed more throughly. I happen to go on Puppyfind.com and saw the most beautiful show Yorkies. I knew I couldn't afford them, but I wrote the breeder and told her that if she ever had any per quality ones, to please let me know, along with my whole story about my baby Chloe. Long story short, she emailed me back and called me, and she had a baby she couldn't show and was willing to sell for $2500. I talk to my boyfriend who was also extremely depressed and we decieded we put the deposit down on the dog to hold her until the 17th.
After I the mailed the deposit, I spent some hours researching the breeder and looking at reviews. I am not going to say the name of the breeder out of respect, but the reviews where 50/50. She had a dog fire once so some people were concerned about how she cared for the dogs. Also there was comments about her prices, but that was all I found negative. However as I slowly came out of my depressed state, I reviewed our finances and realized that $2500 was a lot for a pet quality Yorkie, especially since we spent 2k in vet bills trying to save Chloe. I also begin to read other reviews on here and people were saying that price range was too high for a pet quality Yorkie. After praying on it, I decided over the weekend not to get the dog. I would love to have it but the price is hefty, and we could buy a cheaper Yorkie and afford to rescue another dog, and still have half of that money in our pockets(which we plan to do).
Last night I sent the breeder an email telling her we changed our mind and that was sorry for the inconvience. I also told her we had located Chloe's breeder(which we did on Saturday) and wanted to go that path and not to cash my deposit check. I felt bad but I just couldn't justify the cost to myself. On my way to bed last night, she called but my boyfriend wouldn't let me answer because it was 11pm at night. I was so stressed after the email I spent all night awake and stressing if I was making the right decision. Ever since Chloe died, I have been depressed. I have a lot guilt surrounding her death because she was sick and we didn't know the risk nor did she show any signs. Everyday I think I am getting better, but then this happens and I am back at square one. Please pray for me. I hope I am making the right decision. I didn't sign a contract so my boyfriend said I shouldn't feel bad, but I do. I know she will cal me today and she will be pissed caused I backed out. I love to have the dog but it's the cost. I feel like my heart is going to cave in on me ��

I hope you put a stop payment on that check

You have to follow your heart and gut instincts on this, if you prefer to buy another baby from a breeder you know and trust and her pet quality pup is more reasonably priced, planning on rescuing another pup and will still have pocket change , I say go for it. Don't feel guilty about backing back. Good luck.

Yes I did, I definitely don't trust people nowadays when it comes to checks.
And thanks for your post. I hope I am making the right decision. Deep down I think I am.

Good that you stopped the check, Always follow your instincts. Good luck

So sorry for the loss of your sweet Chloe! What a heartache you and you bf must be going through! I really feel for you both. I also say go with your heart/instincts. Business is business and the breeder should understand. Good for you that you stopped payment. I'd say, for your own sake, don't receive any calls; as it may stress you out more. Sending positive thoughts your way. You will find the 'right' furbaby in time. Again, SO sorry for your loss. :aimeeyork

I am glad you backed out, I will tell you for $2,500.00 you should be getting a high end show dog, from someone with a good reputation in the show ring. if you were not she sounds like one of those high priced web site breeders.

You are absolutely making the right decision and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 50/50 reviews is a horrible rate. For that amount of $$, as Donna said, you should be getting a top end dog. Her reaction to your changing your mind will tell you what type of breeder (and person) she is. You keep your head up and you will find that perfect furbaby for you.

The breeder she's referring to has beautiful top show dogs. NOT a "web site breeder"...

A high end show dog runs more than 2,500(a lot more). At least around here! I got a "pet" quality pup from the breeder the OP is talking about for the same price and I couldn't be happier. My pup is smart, sweet, beautiful, healthy and it was 1000% the best call for us. This breeder chats with me every few months for updates on Olive, and she is a kind woman. I'm at my limit on furbutts so I'm not in the "market" buuuut I would return to this breeder in a heartbeat. <3

To op: you have to do what is right for you. I honestly wish you peace and that you find your furry soulmate. Good luck!

So I talk to her, and it didn't go as I expected. I am about to post a update to this thread. And your right, she's a sweetheart.

When you have a breeder that does absolutely all the nurturing, the initial training of the puppy, vaccinations, micro chipping, plus MOST IMPORTANTLY, guaranteeing you a HEALTHY puppy, a puppy that she stands solidly behind, holds that baby until after 14 weeks of age, because THAT is what is in the best interest of that baby, to ensure all vaccinations have been given and tolerated, and the breeder is reputable and delivers a quality, healthy baby that will survive and make a wonderful, well adjusted pet for you.....this does NOT come cheap. If you can not afford to pay for that breeder's care and concern and time and attention she has smothered on her puppies and mothers and fathers as well, do not deal with her.

I am always rather amused as well as annoyed at people that have nothing to do with breeding or showing quality puppies, throwing out what THEY think a solid, healthy, well bred Yorkie puppy "should be priced at". Do any of you that DO NOT BREED, have ANY idea even within a couple hundred dollars, what it costs a reputable breeder, that manages a well run breeding program, that stands behind every puppy she produces, what that costs her? Include in that "wild guess" the cost of her healthy breeding stock, which ensures she produces happy, healthy babies! It amazes me how people "justify prices" of anything sold by anyone else....especially when it involves something people have NO reasonable, accurate idea about any costs involved.....all pure speculation and guesses and most of the guesses and suppositions are not even based on solid knowledge of what it costs to manage a reputable breeding program with healthy dogs that throw healthy puppies!!!

If you do not breed dogs, and breed them correctly, following all the "rules" of an ethical breeding program, with age old proven lines developed by well known breeders down over many years of winning show dogs as foundation stock, producing consistantly HEALTHY pups, you have NO qualifications to even suggest what a specific breeder "should be, in YOUR opinion" charging for their babies!

If you find a breeder with babies you think are great, and you have done YOUR homework and know this is a reliable, reputable breeder that can be trusted, the first thing you do is ask what the puppies cost. If you can not afford to go there, dont go there! You would not go shopping for a Corvette if all you could afford was a VW Bug.


People charge for their services, regardless of what those services are. If you do not think, after doing a complete assessment of the person you are about to "hire" for any specific job, is worth the price they are asking for their product, do not deal with them. But I can promise you one thing....when you have bought a cheap puppy from a questionable "breeder", neighbor, newspaper ad, or pet store, and that cheap puppy gets ill and dies on you because you were dealing with non reputable people, you get what you pay for.

Breeders that produce quality, healthy babies, from quality, healthy stock, that stand behind their babies, select with utmost care who gets their babies....this cost money and I can promise you, such breeders do NOT make a living doing this....we do it simply because we want to provide loving, healthy yorkies to people that will treasure them and care for them PROPERLY and adequately....not on "the cheap"....we are thrilled to break even with our babies, possibly make a couple hundred dollars on a baby. And if you throw showing into the mix, most are doing this strictly for the love of the breed, because you are doing well to break even with time and expenses, just to produce the next generation of sound, quality, healthy yorkies.

Yorkies are high maintainance dogs....If you have done YOUR due diligence and found a reputable breeder that is selling her babies for a price SHE thinks her pups are worth, if you can not afford the price, move on down the road and keep looking! Don't fault the breeder for trying to COVER the expense SHE has put into the puppy, time and money and effort and knowledge that assures YOU have a healthy baby that is going to live a long happy life and NOT cost you your retirement funds in vet bills and misery. You have to decide just how important that is to you! If you think it is too much to assure you have a healthy dog and a breeder that will stand behind the quality of her pups and breeding program, do not buy her pup! Certainly, dont fault her for her prices! Cheap yorkies usually come with expensive health issues that you will pay for down the road. An honest, good, reputable breeder will charge more for her pups because it costs money to produce healthy dogs that are not riddled with genetic health issues or illnesses that could have been avoided if care would have been taken by the breeder!

As Mr.Good Wrench always said, "You can pay now or you can pay later, but you WILL pay!".

God works in mysterious ways.
This morning, right after this post, the breeder called me. She wanted to let me know that she got my email, and that she would send my check back. We started talking and I told her the full story, that right now we just couldn't afford the furbaby but how much we would love to have her. I told her with paying off Chloe's Vet bills, money was tight for us right now. She immediately said that she was glad she called because me and my boyfriend touched her heart, and that she definetley would work with us because she just wanted her furbaby to go to a good home. I was literally in tears. So this afternoon when my boyfriend gets off, we are going to call her to discuss the cost. Thank you for all the responses. And the previous poster was right, her dogs are beautiful.Hopefully I will have the privilege of owning one. I'm just glad it turned out better than I thought.

One more thing I want to say........if that breeder is worth the sweat on her brow, she will accept your decision to back out of the possible deal for that puppy....what reputable breeder wants to sell one of her precious babies to someone that has changed their mind? That is EXACTLY why I never accept a deposit until the babies are 11 weeks old......after they come and select the baby they want, they have to hold that baby with a deposit because I no longer show that baby for sale....if that person then decides they dont want that baby, it will cost them their deposit, because they have added to MY expense and possibly having to hold that baby until another buyer comes along! I have been fortunate enough to work from long lists of people wanting my babies, that this has never been an issue for my business.

First off I am not sure why you are attacking anyone on this post, espically me. I definetley did my homework on the breeder and also thought I could afford the dog, but I also did not realize how much vet bills I had to pay. I was never attacking her price. Read the post before you comment, I don't appreciate negative comments when I was asking for opinions. If I thought I couldn't afford it, I would had NEVER sent the deposit it. At the same time, I wanted to close out my other furbaby bills and make sure my vet, who has been taking care of my dog for years, was paid. Thank you for your rant, I am amused as well that you took it upon yourself to tell me what I was thinking or what I SHOULD be doing.

I tell, this site never fails me. A whole lot of 'know it all's, who don't know what they are talking about. Thanks to all the posters, I truly appreciate it. Even the last one because I got my laugh for the day.
I will keep you all posted. We shall see:)

Educating people that do not know what goes into the "production" of puppies from a qualified breeder was the entire purpose of the post....it was NOT aimed "at you". It is information that people that do not breed, have no idea about..... If you choose not to learn and utilize what I said, no problem....there are many, many that will not understand or agree with the information provided. It was NOT an attack on anyone, it was an educational opportunity...take it or leave it....often people that do not know how a particular business works or how a pricing platform is determined, offer pricing parameters that are unrealistic.. Learn from the post and utilize it, or not! Clearly there were no "negative" comments aimed at you....it is a post that explains what goes into breeding quality puppies and the pricing of puppies....it clearly was not "aimed" at YOU...it was to inform people that pre-determine what in their mind is "the proper amount to charge for a puppy". The "proper amount" to charge for a puppy is determined by the quality of the product, the reputation of the breeder for producing quality puppies, and the interaction you have with that breeder for the life of that puppy. Did you read my second post??? It was actually being written while you were hearing from the breeder, and she did exactly what I said in that last post, was the responsible, respectable thing for her to do....I did not know she had returned to you with a revised plan of action, I just posted what would be the right thing for a quality breeder to do....and darn if she didnt do just what I said!! Guess you "missed" THAT comment from me??? Imagine THAT!

Actually I DID miss the post because I was posting to your FIRST post. Whether it was meant as an attack or not, they way it was worded came across as confrontational whether you believe or NOT.
I am always looking for comments and feedback because I don't know about breeding or all the cost, and I have no problem taking feedback or cristiscim, but it was the tone of the post that came across as negative. If you are trying to educate people as you say, then maybe you should consider it. She is good breeder and I truly believe she cares about her dogs, I would never question that no matter how much she charged.

I just do not concern myself if it is perceived as confrontational....I post the way I post, and hopefully, people will read and learn from what I say. Do you HONESTLY think I can readjust my thought processes and the way I write or deliver information, to make every single person on this post, all warm and fuzzy? You will just have to settle for honesty and sincerity... If they get all wadded up because they do not "approve" of what I said, or how I said it, they can choose to not read the post. Do you honestly think for one minute I can, OR SHOULD adjust my posts or express my ideas or even take the time to develop multiple methods of posting that will please everyone that reads what I write or express???? I am offering knowledge based on my years of breeding and dealing with puppy buyers, quite successfully I might add. While I have not "made a living" doing this, and have burned thru fully 1/2 of my inheritance, I have produced happy, healthy puppies for many people, many who have returned for second babies. Knowing it is an educational post and not an attack on a specific individual, SHOULD help someone understand the concept of garnering information offered. Take it or leave it.....it will only benefit you and allow you to see the perspective from an angle you would not have the opportunity to see or understand from anyone else that is NOT a professional breeder. You can consume "opinions" on a daily basis, but to understand WHY specific people conduct business like they do, you may have to just read and listen and then take it or leave it. I can not possibly be expected, nor will I even begin to try, to please every single personality that reads this board....I offer the opportunity for people that are uninformed and seeking advice, information that will help them understand why things unfold like they do. I dont come here and complain about page after page, post after post by people that continually make poor choices in purchasing a puppy.....you just keep trying, day after day after day after day, to educate and teach....and hopefully people will not try to re-educate me on writing skills, spelling, sentence structure, thought processes, delivery, etc....if they are interested in LEARNING, they will read the post I offer, or choose not to. It will only benefit them and give them a perspective that, while they may not like or agree with the information, it is the way it works.

Honestly, I don't care if you change your tone or not while you call yourself 'educating' others. You stated you were trying to 'educate' us and that it was not directed at me so I posted my opinion of how the post was perceived.
This post was not about how to select a breeder, so I am not sure why you deemed it necessary to post your opinion here, but I would guess because cost was bought up on the post. Regardless, The tone of the post is up for interpretation and the second post was directed at me, not as a general comment or 'education lesson' so I commented. I hear what you are saying and they are valid points, but I don't see anywhere in the thread where someone was bashing the breeder or saying it wasn't worth the money. They were saying depending on the quality of the pup, it may or may not be worth the investment. You took those post and 'ran with them', which was not even the purpose of me posting this thread..but thanks for the education lesson on breeding, I know plenty know😏

Oh and I am not the warm and fuzzy type at all..I am actually just the opposite so that's not what I meant about the tone of the post. There is a difference between 'educating' people and 'ranting' ..but that's just my opinion. Your post had some very good information but could be perceived as something else. Once again, thanks for the education session....for what it was worth.

I am thrilled your breeder came to you with a solution...you misjudged her and her actions also, initially, and now she has made you a happy camper so she is great! She did exactly what I had said a good breeder would do....and you had unfortunately jumped to the wrong conclusion about her and her response to to the way you chose to handle your interaction with her...did you tell her you had taken the liberty to cancel her check? Perhaps you told her before you cancelled your check what you were going to do? She is even a better person if she took that action with a grain of salt...unfortunately, you did not give her the opportunity to offer to allow you to get out of the predicament you had gotten yourself into. Hats off to her and her ethics!

We shall see what happens after I talk to her this afternoon. And I told her about the check situation as well, and she understood and said she was going to mail my check back anyway when she saw my original email. I am excited about taking to her and will only need her to hold her for a few weeks which she already stated was fine.

I guess I assumed she be upset, but she wasn't at all and said she works with people all the time and definitely would work with us because she knows we would take good care of her baby.❤️

I am glad she was willing to give you your money back, that is if you want it. Is this breeder in CA? I ask because it sounded like Miss Pixie/Donna got her pup from the same breeder and she is in CA. If so then I guess the puppy will need to be shipped. I realize CA is probably more expensive than W Va or MI where I live, but to me it still seems like a high price especially since you will not even be able to see the pup in person first. I guess I am old fashioned and like to buy local so I can meet the pup first. I know you are upset from the loss of you pup and it sounds like financially it will be a stretch which is a tuff way to start off. I hope everything works out for you, good luck with your decision.

Honestly the education can be worth thousands of dollars spent on Vet bills. YorkieMom1 is one of the last breeders we have on here willing to give advice. She has saved the lives of countless Yorkie puppies on here giving advice to novice as well as experienced breeders. I think she was responding to another poster who was determining what they felt was a reasonable price for a well bred Yorkie. I do not think she was implying anything by your questioning whether the expense would be right for you after having to spend so much on Vet expenses with your last dog. My sympathies to you on the loss. I learned the hard way and didn't go to a good breeder. I ended up spending over $7000.00 on medical expenses for Buster within the first year and a half. I believe that is the point Yorkiemom1 is making. It is wiser to spend more money on a well bred dog than to think you are getting a bargain and end up paying hefty medical bills and the suffering that the dog and us owners have to go through when they are sick, and that breeding dogs quality health dogs is an expensive business so will pay more for a well bred dog. I wish you the best on finding your new puppy and I hope it all works out. Best wishes.

Judy, I am assuming some of your post was directed at me since I talked about the price. I don't breed but I know an lot of breeders in MI and some other states. Unfortuntely price does not always = the quality of breeder, sadly more often than not lately it has to do with the size of the yorkie, which is unfortunate. I also know that just about every show breeder in MI sells pet yorkies for less than $2,500.00.

If I was ever to get another purebred, you bet ya I would be checking everything out to find out why specific prices were being asked. I will not be like a few people I know that bought through fancy web sites only to find out their pups came from brokers that bought dogs in from overseas yet their web sites made them look like they were buying from champion lines. Before buying a pup I would also post on YT the name of the breeder, the membership here has a huge frame of reference that I would find helpful.

Hi Donna! It's Donna :)

No the breeder is near the OP. Her dogs are well known. I bought from her as I was looking at her and a couple other well known breeders at the time... She set me up with a handler that purchased a ticket and flew my girl home to me. This breeder did not want her to be flown pet-cargo and that was fine by me!
My little one was one that didn't make weight to show or breed, she loved her and was keeping her as a pet. After we started talking, we bonded and she let this little one come home to me. I'll always be greatful to her.

Btw- here is my Olive...

It didn't add this one...

Olive is very pretty, I love her hair coloring. That's good the breeder is close then, hopefully if the OP decides to get the pup she can pick her up personally. As I am sure you know unless you know a lot about a breeder a high price does not automatically mean you are getting a high quality dog. The internet has made it so easy for people to get scammed and this infatuation with "Korean" maltese's, yorkies and poms has me so pissed off. People seem to think it's a status symbol when truthfully that country is filled with puppy mills. It's just when the OP mentioned the mixed reviews the breeder received it got me worried, from what I can tell she did not post the name of the breeder so all of us were in the dark.

As far as shipping is concerned...if YOU schedule a flight on Southwest Airlines into where ever the baby is, you can meet the breeder at the airport and pick your baby up from her right there. It only costs .....I think Southwest has gone up from $75.00 to $100.00....to fly the baby in the cabin with you....that is the only shipping I do anymore...I used to have access to a pilot with access to a small private jet that could make deliveries for me, but he went to work for an airlines and I lost my "air taxi service".