Who does my yorkie sees as the pack leader or does he see one at all
 

I posted on here a long time ago about my situation with my gf yorkie and how I spanked him and what not. With the help of you all I found out other alternatives on how to discipline him without hitting. We are have progressed even though I think he is afraid of me sometimes because of the past I don't think he will ever forget that which im sorry for. I just have a opinion on something who does he see as the pack leader? I've been reading books about submissive dogs/yorkies I don't feel as I am the pack leader but I do feel that he is more submissive to me than her and he more dominant to her but it can go both ways. here are some examples


1. He cowers to a lot when I stand to walk near him sometimes(I think hes afraid) but he gets really submissive especially if im the only watching him, he will not look me in the eye he will almost always turn his head away. on the other hand he will always give her eye contact, never submissive to her it seems. opinion?


2. When I open the door to the deck he will not go out unless I go first and he will stand at the door to see if its okay to come out. If she was to open the door he will probably go first.


3. He is more obedient to her when it comes to tricks he doesn't do tricks as much as he will for her and I think its because I spanked him in the past. I read that dominant dogs are stubborn.


4. I read that dominant dogs will be persistent on where they sleep or sleep over the humans head that they think are dominant over. He always has to sleep on her side and loves to sleep over her head.


5. Whining: He never whines to me ever when its just me and him, he always whines to her to get his way with her and she gives in. he also will whine to me when shes around usually when I stop playing with him and if he whines I will ignore it.


Any opinions? what you all think? what do you think is going on his head haha

Considering your history with this dog, I wouldn't get hung up on pack leader and dominant/submissive labels. I believe it will complicate your relationship in negative ways. You risk focusing on inconsequential things.

It's important to me that my dogs are well-behaved, but I view our relationship more as a partnership. Sure, I'm in charge, but I don't get hung up on where they sleep or whether or not they walk in front of me on the leash.

I strongly believe in positive reinforcement training. The only "negatives" that I employ is withdrawing attention (when safe to do so) and I do raise my voice (not screaming or ranting, just forceful) at certain times. I have 2 very strong males and the older one, while a very good boy, has a cast iron will. Each dog is unique and has a slightly different set of requirements, but I promise positive reinforcement is the way to go.

Be a good leader in the sense of setting a good example and setting the dog up for success. A dog without (polite) direction, without trust, without exercise and fun, without rewards of love and praise for good stuff, will be a dog with behavioral issues.

I agree.

I sometimes get too caught up in reading into articles about how your dog should act but in reality every dog or animal in general each their own personality and traits.

:thumbup:

I fell into that trap the first year I had my first Yorkie, my first puppy. Now I disagree with a lot of trainers, especially those who want little robotic dogs or fully submissive dogs.

I do not try to control my dogs' every movement. Instead, I try to make life fun so that they will want to behave in a pleasing way -- that includes little personality quirks.

My dogs are not perfect and we still work on things that may never be fixed: they have an annoying barking game in the car. :D But they are good guys 95% of the time, so I'm not going to crush their spirit to try to fix that 5% of naughty.

If you're the one predominantly feedling, walking, grooming your pup he'll automatically see you as his leader. I'm not too keen on focusing on being a pack leader for my dogs. I want them to be able to trust me and through treating them well, them seeing you as their leader comes naturally. I treat dog training about the same as I do child rearing. Do my son and I butt heads at times? Absolutely. My dogs may not want to do what I ask of them, but hopefully they will trust me enough to do it anyway and realize "that little Caribbean lady" knows a little bit of what she's doing:p.

This is your 3rd thread on "spanking" your gf tiny yorkie. Last thread you wrote you were excessive in the spanking, meaning you beat up a tiny dog, now you write
1. He cowers to a lot when I stand to walk near him sometimes(I think hes afraid) but he gets really submissive especially if im the only watching him, he will not look me in the eye he will almost always turn his head away. on the other hand he will always give her eye contact, never submissive to her it seems. opinion?
you beat the dog, you got what you wanted, he's scared of you, that's why he won't look you in the eye, you won.
He looks his momma in the eye because he's not scared of her, she never beat him up.


2. When I open the door to the deck he will not go out unless I go first and he will stand at the door to see if its okay to come out. If she was to open the door he will probably go first.
He will not go out first because he's afraid of you, scared he may get kicked if he goes out first. He'll got out first if his momma opens the door because she never beat him up. Like I wrote You won, you wanted this wee little dog to fear you, so he does.


3. He is more obedient to her when it comes to tricks he doesn't do tricks as much as he will for her and I think its because I spanked him in the past. I read that dominant dogs are stubborn.
Doing tricks are fun, he has FUN with his momma, with you he gets beat up.
5. Whining: He never whines to me ever when its just me and him, he always whines to her to get his way with her and she gives in. he also will whine to me when shes around usually when I stop playing with him and if he whines I will ignore it.
Be happy he even plays with you after what you did (more then just once)


Any opinions? what you all think? what do you think is going on his head haha
What's going on in his head is, when will you beat him up again.
This wee little dog is NOT the dominant one, YOU ARE. You are the dominant, controlling person. You can't dominant, control ppl so you you beat up a little dog to get fear and control from him. Does this make you feel more like a "man"?

I, 100% agree!!!

Right on, Matese! You express the anger and disgust I feel for that guy, as well as the overwhelming sadness for how that helpless little baby is feeling...

This is this guys 3rd thread, 3rd user name, first thread using another user name was he "spanked" the lil dog, was soooo sorry , wanted to know how to gain the trust back,he was given advise from many members, he stated he was going to take that advise to win the trust of the dog, then he wrote he lost his temper and was excessive with "spanking". 2nd thread was the same thing but used another username "spanking" the wee little yorkie, dog runs under a parked car, he's sorry he hit the dog, how can he win the dogs trust. Now this thread, again using a 3rd user name. He thinks using a diff. name ppl won't know who he is lol. He's either a troll or a small, little no body that makes him feel like a macho man by beating a wee little yorkie, forcing an animal to be submissive to him, controlling and being dominant over a DOG. This guy is nothing but a punk, to scared to take his anger out on a REAL man or how bout beating a 85 lb Pit Bull.

2nd user name was "jace20069" posted on 6/14 "regaining yorkies trust"
1st user name he posted a thread back in April, his first thread that he "spanked" his gf dog.

I agree with her as well.. I haven't read your last post about you spanking your puppy.. But you shouldn't have used negative reinforcement on him at all.. Maybe it'd help if you see a CGC trainer or something. My puppy is in middle of CGC and I see all these puppies getting rid of their fears and it also teaches the owners how to properly handle the dog.

I don't think the puppy sees you as a *pack leader*, but just someone that he's afraid of. If you want to fix this problem, please do see an animal behaviorist or a dog trainer. But as I said, CGC should help..

I don't know who Tay65 or jace2009 first of all so how are you going to tell me who I am? I know it's going to take a lot of time to gain his trust again I have not hit him since I wanted some opinions on not for you to sit up and tell me who you ****.

Tay65 matese Jkpal I see why people don't post on here anymore people are so quick to judge because you haven nothing else to do with your lives you all trying to bash me about something I did months ago. If you read carefully I clearly stated that we are still working on regaining trust. I have not hit him since I posted on here since then and the dog loves seeing me. The fact that you said he might get "kicked" how would he get kicked if I have never ever kicked him before stupid! And my gf has spanked before as well so you really know nothing you all are taking your anger out on a post months ago. you all need to get a life thank you have great day!

matese In response to your last post like I said you know nothing. Do you really think I have time to sit on here and create accounts? for what I could post on here with the same username 5 different times about me spanking my gf yorkie you know why? because I can and nobody would know so I don't need to create different usernames and If 16'3 195 is small to you then go ahead and think that.

I am not going to speak to this OP = given three threads - spanking a wee dog etc etc.


But I will say being a leader of the pack does not always mean you have to dominte the dog in a harsh way. And it is not a given in a multiple person household if you are the one to feed train groom etc - that you will be given alpha status by the dogs.


My husband who has been out of work for awhile now is walking and feeding our dogs regularly. Yet this wkend at dock diving - our young gal kept ignoring hubby and trying to swim over to me. He said to her why are you doing this I am the one feeding and walking you.....


In our household of multiple dogs it is a bit more complex in that our senior male is the alpha male albeit a generous alpha and then our Yorkie and then our young gal - but they all look to me. I am the trainer. And until recently the main food provider - cook - and groomer.


I insist on obedience in certain things - No pull on lead - I have 120+ dogs and a 6lb Yorkie who is not allowed to pull. Stop command and Leave it are never to be disobeyed.


I am explaining with out really getting to what I think the nub of it is. I know and expect that I am alpha. I will be very consistent with what I want and *make* them do it. But I think it is my self assurance and the way I carry myself that speaks volumnes. Dogs look at body language all of the time!


For example my CDX trained senior boy who loves loves to dock dive - was pulling and I mean pulling hard on the lead to get to the water. It took all my strength I had to stand still and refuse to move. He of course could have overpulled me but was minimally obeying my no pull command. We went nowhere. I issued the front command which he did with alacrity - then the heel command - and when we went to walk again - he began pulling.. I froze in place. It took us 15 minutes to walk 100 paces but we were not going anywhere if he was pulling me. And if we had missed our time on the dock so be it - he would have been crated as a consequence of his dis obedience.


With Razzle same deal. They get excited and I understand that but you do not get rewarded for bad behaviour ever!


My dogs can be dogs and play and run and have a very full and rich life with me. But I do expect and demand obedience from them - they are too large not to be well trained. Sometimes we have to review things - like you Do Not push past me on the stairs - or try to block my way as I come to the top of the stairs. This is a real safety issue - with folks that are not steady on their feet like my sister - or ageing parents.


But for Razzle the 6lber he has never been spanked a day in his life. If I do a leash correction it is with one finger on the lead. Usually though it is voice correction - or I freeze and refuse to move - or change my direction constantly. When I lead I lead - when they are free and they do get free time they are free within reason to do what they like. I like to use re-direction to curb un wanted behaviours. Like lots of barking - they ignore hush or quiet - then it is come come come to me - if they come they are rewarded treat or toy.


None of my dogs cower from me. But they do obey - not always instantly but mostly yes.

Thank you for the advice and I appreciate. I posted on here some months ago about how I spanked him, we have progressed a lot but there are some things still that he does that confuses me and I think he is still afraid because of the past.

Gotta admit, if I was a mod here, I would ask you to just go away. I don't believe you are a fit dog owner and should probably be kept away from children too. But that being said, if you ever feel the need to get physical with your poor little puppy again, I welcome you to give me a call. I will take it's place with delight. It would be cathartic for me and might be a lesson you would remember for quite a while too. Now, do the people on this forum who love Yorkies a break and go hold your breath for an hour or so.

I agree completely with Matese. It's pretty obvious that you are the same person that has written the other threads. First of all, I would like to say that you are a disgusting man! And I pray that you never have any children. If that's how you treat a small dog, because he may misbehave a little. God help you having to deal with a screaming baby, or going through the terrible twos. I have stayed quiet before, but not anymore. I want to speak to your girlfriend and ask her, what the hell she is playing at, by letting you anywhere near her dog. And if she gave you permission to hit her dog and does it as well. Then there is definitely something WRONG with you both. I love my partner, but if I EVER saw him hit my Oscar, he would regret the day he was born. Not only would he be getting hit with a frying pan, but he would also be out of my life FOREVER. I don't always agree, with the way some people say things to each other on here. But when it comes to violence against our lovely babies, I wish we could do more. I'd definitely be reporting you both, if I knew where you stayed. I think you should be banned from asking these questions. If I could save that poor wee dog. Believe me I would. I hope that karma finds you very soon. Give up the dog. Neither of you should be allowed to have a dog. Why don't you try a fish? I'm sorry everyone. But this man has infuriated me!

Did you all read the post? did I ever say anything about hitting him? No, you guy are commenting about something that happened in the past? And sorry there is nothing you can do about it I love this dog and he loves me, yes he gets afraid sometimes because its a long road to get his trust back but im willing to do anything to achieve that but when he runs to me when he sees me and when I call him to come over to lay on me I know things are getting better and there is nothing you all can do sorry.

Ohh by the way I have 2 nephews and niece and they both love me as well, i think its funny how you all determine a thread and think you can dictate a persons life and tell them they are not a fit dog owner or shouldn't around children you people need god!

Alex and Oscar I'm confused on where you're getting this info from "I abused a small dog" when did I say I abused him recently? If I want to abuse him I could easily do that like right now I could, but I don't see the need to that sir.

You can deny all you want, all 3 threads, word for word were written, you think ppl here on YT don't remember when someone comes on admitting one time they got "excessive" when hitting this dog, 6'3 195 lbs does not make a man, a real man would take the time to find out how to handle a dog that YOU feel needs discipline and NOT "spank the dog excessively" then ask how can you regain the dogs trust. ppl come to YT for advise, help and they get it and follow it. Why did you not come here BEFORE you "spanked" the dog to ask how to train, you come here after the fact, ask how to undo what YOU DID, you wanted this poor dog to fear you, so now you got what you wanted, what do you want, gain his trust then "spank" him again. I know your gf hits the dog, you put it in another thread using another user name, you wrote you "spanked" the dog because your gf does. Obviously she doesn't beat the dog, as you say he's not afraid of her. Yeah, I to also hope you never have kids.

I'm a full-time student two jobs I have no reason to create multiple accounts to talk about dogs, like I said I made a mistake that was in the past. So what, I hope you never have kids as well and if you do I hope they burn in hell!

And If did create multiple accounts what could you do? nothing, like I said I made a mistake that was months ago, and we have progressed and he does get fearful at times because of the past this dog is still a happy dog at the end of the day.

F off Douchebag. Clear enough for you?

Mods, please kick this troll.

hahaha

They are safe, their mother and father would take care of you if you laid a finger on them. You "spanked the dog excessively" in the past, "your words" now you come here asking what's in the dogs head, FEAR is in his head, WHY, because in "the past" you "spanked the dog excessively" I am answering your question. You wanted him to FEAR you, so he would listen to you, so you got what you wanted,now you want to undo all that you did, what for, gain his trust so you can "spank" a innocent defenseless little animal. I also read your other thread using this user name, "why does the dog whine for things to your gf, but does not whine to you for things" I even answered that thread, if I would have known you were the dog beater I would have replied, he don't whine to you because he FEARS you.

But you have to realize before I spanked him he would never whined to me. i don't want to fear me I don't think you understand I made a mistake in the past and I can see that you are judging me over it