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kreuer 05-13-2015 05:17 AM

man saves yorkie from hot car, then arrested
 
Saw this story this morning and thought it was interesting...


Man saves dog in hot car, but gets arrested anyway

Wylie's Mom 05-13-2015 05:30 AM

Wow, this infuriates me :mad:!!! Sorry, but this man is a hero in my eyes...whether he'd saved a pet or a child from a hot car.

pstinard 05-13-2015 06:49 AM

It's been a bad day for animal abuse and disrespect :(.

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Wylie's Mom 05-13-2015 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4559252)

Omg. Some human beings just make me utterly SICK. Sick sick sick.

It's simply not funny, period, to use a dead *anything* in some "funny" video. Would it be funny to use dead human babies?? No. Nor is it funny to use animal corpses.

As far as this 11 yr old kid, my god. Unbelievable. That poor, sweet, little innocent baby. This kid needs to be admitted to a psych ward, immediately.

Lovetodream88 05-13-2015 07:08 AM

That's terrible. Hopefully there will be protesters and stuff.

Russpilot 05-13-2015 07:08 AM

Yet if the man had broken the window for a child, it not only would not have been considered a crime, he would have been seen as a hero.
I work as a retail manager and frankly, from what I have seen of kids and "parenting" these days, I would rather leave most kids in hot cars and I'll save the Yorkie, thank you very much.

Cha Cha 05-13-2015 07:13 AM

There have been a couple disturbing cases here too. These kids have since been charged, I believe.


Mulvane Police investigating high school students for animal cruelty

:mad::mad:

Magnus 05-13-2015 07:42 AM

Isn't that usually early signs of serial killers and/or psychopaths? Seriously... isn't it?????

Wylie's Mom 05-13-2015 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cha Cha (Post 4559260)
There have been a couple disturbing cases here too. These kids have since been charged, I believe.


Mulvane Police investigating high school students for animal cruelty

:mad::mad:

Unreal. :mad: :(

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Originally Posted by Magnus (Post 4559268)
Isn't that usually early signs of serial killers and/or psychopaths? Seriously... isn't it?????

Yes indeed! Almost all known serial killers started as kids with being cruel to animals / killing animals. :(

YazminD 05-13-2015 01:14 PM

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My son shared this story on my FB page last night. It's horrible that the owner insisted the man to be arrested, it should've been the other way around! :mad:
Man Busts Window to Help Dog, Gets Arrested Anyway - Life With Dogs

I work in a restaurant and I'm always shocked at customers who leave dogs locked up in hot cars! One summer there was an elderly couple who left a Maltese in a car with leather seats! It was 97 degrees that day and the humidity was horrible! Within less than five minutes that poor dog's face was drenching wet with sweat and she was panting terribly with no way to escape the hot sun! I confronted the couple and asked them if I could give her water and could they please roll down the windows at least enough that the dog could breath fresh air! The elderly man spoke up immediatly and said that there was no way he'd crack the windows, that he was sure someone would try to steal her while they ate! He then proudly told me how he and his wife had just rescued the dog from a kill shelter in Florida a few days prior to arriving in Ohio! :eek: OMG! Fortunately I was able to convince him to stay with the dog until their meal was ready and then he allowed each waitress to sit with her while each of them took their breaks. Unfortunately, I see this abuse all too often but it's been a lot less since I posted a "Don't Cook Your Dog" at the front door entrance for all the customers to see before they enter!

Britster 05-13-2015 01:25 PM

I'm somewhere in the middle on this one. I do get it, the guy was trying to help and I think it's great that he was concerned. But I don't think this new fad of 'breaking windows open' should start happening too often. I see posts all over FB and I'm glad there's awareness but I shouldn't be afraid to leave my dog in the car while I run into the drug store for less than 3 minutes to grab a bottle of water or something. I travel a lot with Jackson, I travel between houses, I'm a pet sitter, and it's not always feasible to bring him back home. If I have 4 let outs for the day and all of them are dogs that he enjoys and gets to walk/play with, I'm not going to leave him home simply because I may have to run into a store quickly to... drop off a prescription, or buy a bottle of water, or something. Jackson would be traumatized for LIFE if someone busted open my window and tried to grab him. I'm not an idiot and I won't leave him in the car at all during most of the summer when it's hot and humid. But there's nothing wrong with cracking the windows open on a 75 degree day and parking in the shade.

This post sums up my thoughts:

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As the season of "free broken window for anyone who leaves a dog in a car" comes upon us, I wanted to ask that all you animal lovers first use a little common sense. Now! I'm all for helping out animals in need, but what I see so infrequently in this case is the animal actually BEING IN NEED. Before breaking out windows, please consider a few things. 1. Look for what the owner has done for the dog. Do they have fans, are the windows open? Is the AC on? Do they have cooling coats or pads? How about thermometers or solar sheilds? Fresh water? Ventlocks? 2. Look at the actual dog. Is he or she in distress? Excessive panting, fainting, whining, trying to dig out? Or are they happily chillin' out in the car? 3. Have you tried to find the owner? Gone in the shops or tried to contact them in some way? How about law enforcement?



I am all for helping animals in need. And yes, if a dog is sealed in a hot car, is in distress and I can't find the owners? You bet your ass I'm going to try to help. But as someone who takes her dog with her to many many places and has spent well over $200 on products and technologies to keep him cool, will always park in shade, who acclimates her dog to heat and will never leave him out in a car on a hot day for more than 10 minutes, I ask you to first use some common sense.



Educate yourself on the signs of heat exhaustion and distress and how you can safely help an animal experiencing distress. Educate yourself on local laws, too.



Also to consider is what on earth you're going to do with that dog when you break that window. Many dogs are not a fan of strangers and will respond in one of a few ways. 1. They might bite you. 2. If they're fearful, they might run away from you and into traffic. They might also bite you first. In this situation, you have not only doomed the animal from the bite, but possibly also killed it by letting it into traffic. Also know that if the dog was indeed ok and you still smash that window? I as the owner WILL be coming after you legally.


Always always help animals that need it, I am not in any way trying to discourage anyone from helping out an animal in need. Please just be sure to first make sure they do in fact need that help. I appreciate the love and care behind the idea. I dont, however, like the thoughtless way I've seen that care gone after. Dog lovers, please share, and remember to take care of your pups on hot days!


Edited to add, since I've gotten tons of feedback on this post!

Everyone saying "just leave the dog at home!!!" Sure, yes absolutely! If the dog doesn't need to come, leave them safely at home! But those screeching this also need to realize is that many people travel out of town or state with their pets, be it for family, dog shows or sports, vacation or otherwise. Sometimes leaving a dog in a hotel, with a family member, or in a hotel isn't feasible. One specific case I know of is one I've experienced personally. My dog, despite much training and even great management, does not like other dogs, period. When he does need to go to the vet, albeit not often, he will wait in the car until there is a room ready instead of in the waiting room with other dogs. This way, no bad interactions are had and everyone is safe.
Re: state laws: only 16 states have laws specifically prohibiting dogs in cars. I echo again, please read up on your local legislation.



Again, I'm all for helping an animal truly in need, 110% I am. Just use some smarts first.













Britster 05-13-2015 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by YazminD (Post 4559372)
It was 97 degrees that day and the humidity was horrible! Within less than five minutes that poor dog's face was drenching wet with sweat and she was panting terribly with no way to escape the hot sun! I confronted the couple and asked them if I could give her water and could they please roll down the windows at least enough that the dog could breath fresh air!

Fyi, dogs don't actually sweat, that's why they pant. And Jackson pants even when it's 35 degrees F out and we're in the car and looks stressed even when it's cold out, lol. Again, I'm not advocating leaving your pet in the car, it sounds like it was WAY too hot of a day that particular day. But I think more people need to think a bit more clearly before going to drastic measures and breaking windows.

YazminD 05-13-2015 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4559378)
Fyi, dogs don't actually sweat, that's why they pant. And Jackson pants even when it's 35 degrees F out and we're in the car and looks stressed even when it's cold out, lol. Again, I'm not advocating leaving your pet in the car, it sounds like it was WAY too hot of a day that particular day. But I think more people need to think a bit more clearly before going to drastic measures and breaking windows.

Okay, maybe I don't know the proper word other than sweating but the poor little girl's face fur was soaking wet and fluids were draining from her nose! I did mention she was panting also so I guess I described her situation partly right. Lol I personally wouldn't break someone's car windows unless I truly thought an animal was in extreme distress.

maxdog 05-13-2015 07:04 PM

If I think that dog is in distress, that window is getting broken. I would rather pay a couple hundred dollars for a window then go home and find out later a dog died because I was afraid to act.

Wylie's Mom 05-14-2015 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by maxdog (Post 4559432)
If I think that dog is in distress, that window is getting broken. I would rather pay a couple hundred dollars for a window then go home and find out later a dog died because I was afraid to act.

For sure!! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Shelby&Seymour 05-14-2015 03:21 PM

For the dog owners that do this...The punishment should be sitting in a hot car for an hour with the windows up... And no air.

YazminD 05-14-2015 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shelby&Seymour (Post 4559649)
For the dog owners that do this...The punishment should be sitting in a hot car for an hour with the windows up... And no air.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

How Hot Does it Get in a Parked Car: Dr Ernie Ward
http://youtu.be/JbOcCQ-y3OY?list=FLX...3i25yPgg0-a6Sw

ironmike86 05-14-2015 03:36 PM

Really if you can't take your dog in with you. They should stay at home in hot weather. doesn't take long to get to hot. Minutes https://www.avma.org/public/PetCare/...-vehicles.aspx

KazzyK810 05-14-2015 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shelby&Seymour (Post 4559649)
For the dog owners that do this...The punishment should be sitting in a hot car for an hour with the windows up... And no air.

:thumbup: I would just add that they be handcuffed, feet chained, and be buckled in, so they know what it feels like to be truly helpless, in that situation.

Lovetodream88 05-14-2015 05:56 PM

I think if more people were to break windows to save pets maybe it would get people to open there eyes and stop doing it. Prescriptions can be dropped off at one of the million pharmacy's with a drive-thru. If you need a coke or a bottle of water most liquor stores with a drive-thru will sell you that or you can take your dog with you to a machine. I don't think there is any reason to leave your dog in the car and in the 70's in my opinion it's to hot. I think we need better laws in almost everything that has to do with our beloved dogs and this is one of those areas we need better laws. We need signs in parking lots that say don't do it, we need fines, we need a number on those signs to call. Not everyone knows what to do when they see a dog locked in a hot car.

Britster 05-14-2015 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4559673)
I think if more people were to break windows to save pets maybe it would get people to open there eyes and stop doing it. Prescriptions can be dropped off at one of the million pharmacy's with a drive-thru. If you need a coke or a bottle of water most liquor stores with a drive-thru will sell you that or you can take your dog with you to a machine. I don't think there is any reason to leave your dog in the car and in the 70's in my opinion it's to hot. I think we need better laws in almost everything that has to do with our beloved dogs and this is one of those areas we need better laws. We need signs in parking lots that say don't do it, we need fines, we need a number on those signs to call. Not everyone knows what to do when they see a dog locked in a hot car.

Those were just examples off the top of my head. Of course I go through drive-throughs whenever possible. Very occasionally, it's something that cannot be bought through one, and I'm not going to drive home when it's a perfectly breezy day and Jackson is totally content in the car, I even have a small fan and a cooling pad even though I wouldn't ever leave him in the car long enough (or at all if hot enough) for them to be necessary anyway.

I have sat in the car, all windows up before on a 70 degree day and was perfectly fine for at least 30 minutes in a shady spot.

My only point is that YES by all means save a dog in true distress but other measures should be taken first before busting open someones window. If someone did that to my car while I ran into 711 for 2 minutes to grab something, Jackson would likely bite if tried to be picked up, or run away and possibly into traffic.

Are there idiot owners out there who simply... don't care? Yep. And it sucks. I have called the cops before when a friend and I were in the mall parking lot eating with our dogs in our car and we saw a dog in a car on a pretty hot day for at LEAST 30-40 mins. To me that's just plain stupid. I would never ever leave Jackson in a car to run into a mall, or a grocery store, or anything where I couldn't see him through the windows or knew I was going to be longer than 5 mins. But those of us who are responsible dog owners shouldn't be punished because of certain idiots. And I know it's a fine line, it's hard to be so black/white, because I get it. I do. It's better to be proactive than not caring. But if you see a dog in a car, just WAIT, think, before calling police or busting open windows and ask yourself the questions that I posted in my last post.

ironmike86 05-14-2015 06:58 PM

Test say "The temperature inside your vehicle can rise almost 20º F in just 10 minutes. In 20 minutes, it can rise almost 30º F...and the longer you wait, the higher it goes. At 60 minutes, the temperature in your vehicle can be more than 40 degrees higher than the outside temperature. Even on a 70-degree day, that's 110 degrees inside your vehicle!" So other then in an out for one minute its to much. But I'm the tpye of person who just doesn't did . What happens if I get stuck in the store?? For whatever reason. But I'm the same type of person who wouldn't leave my young daughter in the car unattended. Theres ppl who will do it all the time and even think less of a dog. If I need to go into the store I usually just carry my dogs.

Britster 05-15-2015 06:10 AM

Oh meant to add too a lot of cars have a remote starter now a days. I borrow my moms car sometimes and she has one so I can actually leave the car running w/ AC and still it locked and keys with me. But I know stealing has become an issue as well so do understand that is a risk. And again I don't necessarily mind those warnings though for the average folks who may not be so dog savvy. There ARE idiots out there who would leave their dogs in a car on a 100 degree day for 2 hours. Or not pay any attention at all to if a dog is over-heating by being outside too long, etc. But again just relaying the 'other side'.

maxdog 05-15-2015 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4559744)
Oh meant to add too a lot of cars have a remote starter now a days. I borrow my moms car sometimes and she has one so I can actually leave the car running w/ AC and still it locked and keys with me. But I know stealing has become an issue as well so do understand that is a risk. And again I don't necessarily mind those warnings though for the average folks who may not be so dog savvy. There ARE idiots out there who would leave their dogs in a car on a 100 degree day for 2 hours. Or not pay any attention at all to if a dog is over-heating by being outside too long, etc. But again just relaying the 'other side'.


I am not sure there is an "other side" to this thread because I believe the rants here are directed at those "idiots" who leave their dog in a car on a hot day. The story that started this was one of those people. She said she was only gone 5 minutes but all the witnesses said it was a lot longer. She was probably getting her nails done while her dog was roasting. Responsible people like yourself would not do that, but there are boneheads who would. I agree with you that common sense must be used before breaking someone's window but once it has been established that an animal could be in grave danger - find me a brick.

I am fortunate to have a remote starter and there has probably been 3 times that I have left Max and/or Sasha in the car. Not only were they comfy in the car (winter or summer) but I NEVER let them out of my line of sight. I am more afraid of someone trying to steal them!

yorkiemini 05-15-2015 06:28 AM

My rare experience with this (3 times) -- I call 911 and every time they have immediately dispatched an officer who broke the window or opened the car door and then waited for the owners to come to the car. Although the windows got broken I was not the one who actually did it. Cop out (pun intended) but it worked :D. I was standing there with 2 bottles of water when the dog was rescued!!!!!!

Sooo, I wonder how this situation would have played out if he had call the police first? Might be a piece of self-protection.

maxdog 05-15-2015 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemini (Post 4559750)
My rare experience with this (3 times) -- I call 911 and every time they have immediately dispatched an officer who broke the window or opened the car door and then waited for the owners to come to the car. Although the windows got broken I was not the one who actually did it. Cop out (pun intended) but it worked :D. I was standing there with 2 bottles of water when the dog was rescued!!!!!!

Sooo, I wonder how this situation would have played out if he had call the police first? Might be a piece of self-protection.

Great suggestion! :thumbup: Save the dog and cover your a$$!

yorkiemini 05-15-2015 07:09 AM

Yea, I don't look good in orange😏

Princes mom 05-15-2015 09:49 AM

Follow up... Army vet arrested for saving dog gets award - Atlanta News, Weather, Traffic, and Sports | FOX 5

Lovetodream88 05-15-2015 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemini (Post 4559750)
My rare experience with this (3 times) -- I call 911 and every time they have immediately dispatched an officer who broke the window or opened the car door and then waited for the owners to come to the car. Although the windows got broken I was not the one who actually did it. Cop out (pun intended) but it worked :D. I was standing there with 2 bottles of water when the dog was rescued!!!!!!

Sooo, I wonder how this situation would have played out if he had call the police first? Might be a piece of self-protection.

One of the stories said the police had been called.

KazzyK810 05-15-2015 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4559744)
Oh meant to add too a lot of cars have a remote starter now a days. I borrow my moms car sometimes and she has one so I can actually leave the car running w/ AC and still it locked and keys with me. But I know stealing has become an issue as well so do understand that is a risk. And again I don't necessarily mind those warnings though for the average folks who may not be so dog savvy. There ARE idiots out there who would leave their dogs in a car on a 100 degree day for 2 hours. Or not pay any attention at all to if a dog is over-heating by being outside too long, etc. But again just relaying the 'other side'.

Yup, I can do this with my caddy. People should know to put their hand over where the car's engine is located, and feel to see if the car is actually running, before breaking windows.


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