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Nancy1999 05-04-2015 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mindy10 (Post 4556617)
I did do a food change but that was two weeks ago. I would think it would show up before now. He also gets into the cat food sometimes so that might of happened.
Gosh, what is it about cat food, my dogs have always gone nuts over it, they love it more than the cats do! It may be causing the problem. Some people here suggest putting their food up high where a dog can't as easily reach.

107barney 05-04-2015 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mindy10 (Post 4556617)
I did do a food change but that was two weeks ago. I would think it would show up before now. He also gets into the cat food sometimes so that might of happened.
Cat food is usually high in fat and could be the cause of loose stool.

canana 05-07-2015 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mindy10 (Post 4555960)
So since yesterday morning Sammie has had excessive stool and at the end it is loose. He does not have full diarhea. Just lots of stool and then the last two are real soft. In one sitting he could have 6 stools. Should I withhold food? He is not acting sick and wants to eat. Thanks
Anytime my Scottie has upset stomach, I withhold food. This is based on my research as well as my vet's advice. He's 5.5 lbs. As others mentioned, it gives the stomach a chance to rest and recover and excrete all the bad bacteria/gas/crap out. And definitely, no treats. And when I return to feeding, I give a little at a time to make sure his poop is good again.

From my experience, even if it's not liquid diarrhea, it's still an upset stomach. Excessive stool is mild upset stomach. In my opinion, I think the stomach is not liking what he's eating so it's excreting it ASAP instead of absorbing it all. Good food yields small and less poop. Bad food (if stomach doesn't like it), yields lots of poop.

canana 05-07-2015 01:58 PM
OH and also, I was told by my trainer, who is supposedly very knowledgeable and was friends with the late Dr Sophia Yin, to not feed white rice. I forgot the reason..even though I know the internet suggests rice and boiled chicken everywhere. But she was appalled by the idea of white rice and suggested plain oatmeal instead. I just took her word for it and used plain oatmeal (mixed with warm water and cooled down before serving), boiled chicken, plain yogurt, and plain canned pumpkin.

ironmike86 05-07-2015 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein1 (Post 4556448)
Boiled rice has no fiber in it at all, unless its brown rice.
White rice has some fiber 0.6grams per serving and brown 3.3grams. for the same amount. Serving size I dunno but there is fiber. Maybe not enough but since its there no fiber at all shouldn't apply

ironmike86 05-07-2015 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by canana (Post 4557673)
OH and also, I was told by my trainer, who is supposedly very knowledgeable and was friends with the late Dr Sophia Yin, to not feed white rice. I forgot the reason..even though I know the internet suggests rice and boiled chicken everywhere. But she was appalled by the idea of white rice and suggested plain oatmeal instead. I just took her word for it and used plain oatmeal (mixed with warm water and cooled down before serving), boiled chicken, plain yogurt, and plain canned pumpkin.
Dunno why but white rice isn't really a good food at all. Not really healthy. One of the hardest thing for me to cut back on since I grew up on it. White rice pretty much is a filler food and doesn't have much nutrient value. IMO I wouldn't use it either.Also its recommended not to give to young children because of the arsenic levels. Dunno I grew up on it

JadeD 05-07-2015 05:24 PM
I have always fed oatmeal to a dog that has had a stomach issue. I make a great big pot of it and then scoop out some for the dogs, they think it is a great treat! Then I fix up the rest of the pot of oatmeal for my family with brown sugar or cinnamon or maple syrup or whatever i want in ours.

I let the dogs cool to a reasonable temperature where they will not be burned, usually about the time we are finished eating. They love it!

I usually feed them this for a day and then try them back on their dog food and see how they do. This plain oatmeal was highly recommended by my vet, several actually for a dog I had that had constant stomach issues.

Nancy1999 05-08-2015 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4557741)
Dunno why but white rice isn't really a good food at all. Not really healthy. One of the hardest thing for me to cut back on since I grew up on it. White rice pretty much is a filler food and doesn't have much nutrient value. IMO I wouldn't use it either.Also its recommended not to give to young children because of the arsenic levels. Dunno I grew up on it
It's often recommended by vets during a period where the tummy is healing, it's very easy to digest compared to brown rice. A typical diet would be rice, boiled chicken and sometimes a green vegetable is added. Obviously, it shouldn't be given for extended periods of time, for example over two weeks without adding additional supplements.

ironmike86 05-08-2015 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4557943)
It's often recommended by vets during a period where the tummy is healing, it's very easy to digest compared to brown rice. A typical diet would be rice, boiled chicken and sometimes a green vegetable is added. Obviously, it shouldn't be given for extended periods of time, for example over two weeks without adding additional supplements.
JMO I wouldn't give white rice at all because its isn't a good food. But I guess if your trying to ease the stomach. I find if you make all your food or mix with kibble they usually have less stomach problems as long as its made healthy. Dunno all dogs are different gues you need to try everything and use what works JME/JMO

Nancy1999 05-09-2015 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4558151)
JMO I wouldn't give white rice at all because its isn't a good food. But I guess if your trying to ease the stomach. I find if you make all your food or mix with kibble they usually have less stomach problems as long as its made healthy. Dunno all dogs are different gues you need to try everything and use what works JME/JMO
I'm not sure why you have the idea it a bad food. Usually, humans cook it with too much fat and that makes it a bad choice, but it has lots of good nutrients.
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Vitamins

A cup of enriched white rice provides 108 micrograms of folate, or 26 percent of the daily recommended intake, per serving. It has 0.3 milligrams of thiamin, or 20 percent of the daily value, and 3.4 milligrams of niacin, or 17 percent of the daily value. Grains lose some of their natural nutrients during the refinement process. Enriched grains have some of the vitamins and minerals replaced, but not all of them.


Minerals

Enriched white rice provides 2.8 milligrams of iron, or 16 percent of the daily recommended intake, per serving. It has 14 micrograms of selenium, or 20 percent of the daily value. Rice is a sodium-free food. A high-sodium diet can cause high blood pressure and increase your risk for heart disease and stroke, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. A serving of white rice is higher in sodium if you add salt during cooking.

Nutrition in a Serving of White Rice | Healthy Eating | SF Gate
Compare that with brewers rice not found as the number one ingredient in so called premium food.

Brewers' rice is the small milled fragments of rice kernels that have been separated from the larger kernels of milled rice. (AAFCO definition).[1] Brewers' rice is a processed rice product that is missing many of the nutrients contained in whole ground rice and brown rice thus reducing the quality[2]
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Brewers' rice and second heads are one of the many byproducts that rice milling creates. Second heads are milled rice kernels that are one half to three quarters of the original kernel. Brewers' rice is a milled rice kernel that is one quarter to half the size of a full kernel. Second heads, depending on their quality are used to make rice flour. "If the quality of the second heads are poor, they will be sold for pet food or dairy feed. Brewers rice is sold for pet food and dairy feed exclusively."[3] and, despite having little nutritional value is found in approximately one third of pet food sold in the US.[4]

This can also be the waste rice product after it runs through the brewery.
Brewers rice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brewers rice offers mainly calories which are indeed important, but I don't believe "empty" calories are beneficial.

Wylie's Mom 05-09-2015 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4558151)
JMO I wouldn't give white rice at all because its isn't a good food. But I guess if your trying to ease the stomach. I find if you make all your food or mix with kibble they usually have less stomach problems as long as its made healthy. Dunno all dogs are different gues you need to try everything and use what works JME/JMO
White rice and/or simple carbs in general, can do wonders for an upset tummy/GI system. They provide quick energy, can absorb nauseous juices, help settle the tummy, and are easily digested as compared to, say, a more complex carb or a protein. That's why they're often recommended during tummy upsets.

When you say "bad food", do you mean bc it's a simple carb? Or?

ironmike86 05-09-2015 04:11 PM
Health risks

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Health risks

White rice is considered a high glycemic index food or fast carb. This means it is rapidly broken down into sugar in the body. This can contribute to insulin resistance, glucose spikes after eating white rice and was shown that eating white rice five times a week increased the risk for type 2 diabetes. Brown rice is lower on the glycemic index and actually decreases the risk of diabetes for those who ate two servings per week.
When its part of your staple. Its just a filler food for poor ppl in other countries. I know alot about white rice. Occasional eaters it may not affect. But when its part of your diet everyday. If you aren't the healthiest eater = over weight ect it really contributes to diabetes. I know alot of ppl who have improved just from quitting eating it.

ironmike86 05-09-2015 04:13 PM
I'm talking about real rice eaters. If you don't know what that is then your aren't one

ironmike86 05-09-2015 04:19 PM
You can research yourself. But Asians who have a high staple of white rice from Asia usually don't sufferer from Diabetes. But its the combinations of the unhealthy "American" diet with alot of white rice. American have the worst eating habits. When I was growing up there would only be one over weight kid in class. And you notice them Now a healthy skinny kid stands out. All the kids are over weight.

Nancy1999 05-10-2015 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4558426)
Health risks

When its part of your staple. Its just a filler food for poor ppl in other countries. I know alot about white rice. Occasional eaters it may not affect. But when its part of your diet everyday. If you aren't the healthiest eater = over weight ect it really contributes to diabetes. I know alot of ppl who have improved just from quitting eating it.
Yes, I'm familiar with this, I have to watch my diet carefully because refined white bread or white rice can mess with my blood sugar. If eaten with protein, it shouldn't be too bad and as mentioned before, it's easy on the tummy.


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