LOL I don't have time for it....but you are too funny. Yes, it is mind boggling, but I guess the money is better?? who knows...

Yeah, can you imagine the regret he must feel at this point??? UGH. Sooo many roads I bet he wishes now that he'd never gone down. He's lost so much respect for his opinion. I always wonder what it was driven by...pressure, greed, ego, power....? Who knows. Still though, he can probably rehab his reputation like so many others do.

I posted about him being hooked up with Mercola last week. All the purple kool aid drinks will continue to make him rich as he laughs all the way to the bank. You know who should be ashamed of themselves. Oprah :thumbdown

Ann . . I read it the first time on FB. I do agree with you.

I am sorry but there is things in Dogs Naturally and a few others that I find useful. I choose live my life in a more natural way. (I have a number of medical issues )I also choose to have Galen and Kitties live the same way. I believe in the use of herbs to help. There are drugs we take that are derived from herbs, spices and mushrooms. I give Galen and the kitties cocconut oil and a few other things naturally. I feed a raw food diet. To me, this is the best for my babies. I even used DFA to give me a starting point to look at foods. These are tools. I would not rely on one thing to be a bible for what I do. And yes, if I find something interesting on Dogs Naturally I will post on my page. If you don't want to see it scroll by. . . But others may find it useful. We have discussions about the topics. . . . Just my opinion . . .

Oh . . I do not follow what Cesar says.

I've worked with very aggressive, dangerous dogs who no one else could or would even approach, using only positive reinforcement techniques with very good results - have never been bitten by any dog since I was a kid and was bitten 3 times then. No need to punish or frighten a dog to control its mind and body - just work with it alone, establish trust, then respect and begin to motivate them to enjoy the "games" you play teaching them how to control their impulses and perform certain commands for rewards they want and in the process teaching them a new way of behaving and boundaries they must not cross. The dog of course has to be healthy, not brain-damaged or in pain for these techniques to work. Aggressive, dominant out-of-control dogs are far easier to rehab than those totally shut down and frozen with terror from aggressive, out-of-control humans.

Nothing wrong with that. :)

Honestly I'm somewhere in the middle myself in between holistic and traditional medicine and think both have their place. I've been spending a lot of time with a Golden Retriever who was diagnosed with 2 bad types of cancer right before Christmas, he was pretty bad and the regular vet advised putting him down sooner rather than later as the bone cancer is hard on them. The owners wanted to at least TRY something else, these dogs are their babies, so they visited a holisitic vet (who also uses traditional medicine in conjunction when needed)..... anyway here we are April 17th, and he's still doing pretty good, all considering.

They're not going to let him suffer but they, and I, really don't feel it's his time quite yet. They immediately began giving him some of these Chinese medicines that the vet recommended, getting acupuncture, etc etc, along with the traditional meds and pain meds etc, but anyway, they swear this is some kind of miracle drug they give him. It perks him right up. At this point they know his time is limited so they're kind of just doing whatever works right now (fighting the blood cancer and bone cancer), but she thinks about all of this missed good time they would've had with him if they had put him down like originally recommended. And maybe it's just pure luck or coincidence but meh, I'm a believer in a lot of different things and I don't think you can or should completely write anything off.

I just took the article as kind of funny because you see a lot of people blindly posting things on FB, etc, and usually from well intentioned animal lovers that are just clueless or ignorant. The PETA posts crack me up the most, and people think if you're an animal lover, you HAVE to be a huge peta supporter. :rolleyes:

Yes I do believe there is a use for traditional too. . . I am so glad that your friends are having good luck for their baby. Guildenstern died of small cell lymphoma. So I can relate. . . It is true that some follow blindly. Best thing is read something . . . Then do more research about it. . . See what is right for you.

I send good thoughts to your friends Golden. May he have a longer life and little suffering. . .

There has to be a special place for people who know certain things don't work and make money off of people who think it's a magic answer like that allergy test by Dr.Dodds. They are scamming people with some of there stuff and it's just sad and wrong because at the end of the day it's the dogs who suffer.

I've been staying quiet but your statements are really bothering me.

1st off, if it was a scam, it would not have helped Turbo @ all & many other dogs that did get tested w/NutriScan.

Turbo is not suffering anymore. It was the best $280 I've spent. For you to say these things, you are also talking down to me & my decisions to help my pet. I won't even bring up what you said on my other thread. Insulting.

Pseudoscience would be a better choice in verbiage.

Pseudoscience is a claim, belief or practice which is falsely presented as scientific, but does not adhere to a valid scientific method, cannot be reliably tested, or otherwise lacks scientific status.[1] Pseudoscience is often characterized by the use of vague, contradictory, exaggerated or unprovable claims, an over-reliance on confirmation rather than rigorous attempts at refutation, a lack of openness to evaluation by other experts, and a general absence of systematic processes to rationally develop theories.

There is no science backing it up. I even posted a link saying that. She also didn't do the things people do who have a product that is good with science to back it up. Nothing I ever said was insulting. I'm glad you got lucky with Turbo but that doesn't mean it works. Unless people are rich they will end up spending there money on this test rather then getting the real proven methods that actually work done to help there dog. I wanted this test to be real and work but it's just not and it's not recommended by other vets and there is no science to back it up.

I looked into NutriScan. . . I did a little research about what others that have tried it said. There was a number of people said that it worked. This is on other forums and groups.

Just because it is new. Doesn't mean it doesn't work. Look at the facts . . . If it wasn't for moldly bread we would not have penicillin. And they thought he was nuts. . .Something that we were just told from a top ankle surgeon in the country. He told My DBF to try stem cell therapy for his ankle. . .now it is classified as experimental. A lot of doctors do not believe in it. . . But people are finding it is working for them. . . This doesn't mean it is a scam.

I don't blindly believe and follow everything my Dr and Vet says. . . That is why we have second opinions and experimental procedures. If I listened to the first Dr. I would not be walking today. . . Fact ! . . . I went to another Dr., though he didn't believe in alternative medicines and therapies, he had me try them and it worked . .

Just because you vet thinks is is a scam doesn't mean it is. . . There is a lot of vets that sell you on things that are not always better for your dog. They want to make money. I question my vet. I don't give Galen or the kitties all the shots they want me to give them. I am lucky. My Vet is not a pusher. He tells me what is really needed and what is not. And also he doesn't make me give them any shots I don't want. . .

Please don't assume things before knowing all the facts . . . Please open your minds up to new things . . . You might be surprised . . .


What it is worth . . Just my opinion !!

You obviously didn't research saliva testing though....... Integrating Myths and Nonsense with Standard Advice for Allergic Pets | The SkeptVet I'm not against new stuff like I said I wanted the test to work and be right and it just has no science behind it. Look at the other thread and the health section. Phill posted some really great stuff about that might help you under stand why many of us think it doesn't work. Most vets I have talked to say that test is crud and a waste the only vets I can find that back it up are those of that group. I read through and looked at some of there products and videos and it my opinion sometimes they are playing off of the fact that people love there dogs. If everyone swears by this test let's use Callie as an example I know what meats make her sick so who wants to buy the test to test it? I don't have the money to do it but if every one swears by it lets do it! I'm not joking I will gladly follow every rule and everything for to a t and I will be happy to list the ones I know she has a problem with before any results come back in. My dad's best friend was told he would never be able to walk but his mom took his to chiropractors continuously and eventually he was able to walk. I'm not necessarily against things that aren't normal health care things when it's a last ditch effort but I also fully believe sometimes people just get lucky.

Actually Taylor. . . I researched Saliva testing. . . Your link is one persons opinion blog. . . There are many differnet opinions. Also the person said there was no research done. . Well there you are. Just because this vet did not do research. Doesn't mean it doesn't work. . . There is a lot of people that have tried it and it worked . There are too many close minded people in the field.

The same blog person doesn't believe in stem cell . . .

What "facts" are you referring to? What does Taylor's vet have to do with this? The test isn't valid and hasn't been subject to peer review. The "testimonials" of lay people do not qualify as science.

If you believe that your money was well spent, then why are you so defensive? Do you really care if Taylor or others don't agree?

I do want to say my vet doesn't push crap. She gives me opinions and her opinions and when there was something unsure about she went in the back got me a bottle of water and went and looked it up. I trust my vet immensely. I told her I didn't want the Lyme vaccine no fight not argument just a simple ok. She gave me several options when dealing with Callie's IBD. She listens to me and takes time to explain stuff. My grandmother is leery of every single doctor and I have to tell you that's not a way to live. Obviously there are bad and evil people in everything that people are in but most doctors, vets and so on are there to help people and dogs. I worry more about the bigger names out there who get a taste of the money and get money hungry.

Who is close minded? The Veterinary profession? Scientists? Pet owners? If you are referring to Vets if there was scientific proof why wouldn't they use the test???? They don't use it because Dr. Dodds statements cannot be validated beyond her lab in CA. Unless you have some information that hasn't been shared regarding the validity. Until that happens then it is pseudoscience and I personally will continue to stand behind scientific proof that it cannot be replicated.

This is where I part ways. In my fifteen years of owning yorkies, I've left several vets and practices. I have known more than they do at times, felt pressured into tests or services at times, and even been subjected to disrespectful staff. It's my money, my dogs, and I'll do what I want when I want. It's not a distrust per se, in fact, I give every new vet a blank slate. But they are the ones that fall short and miss the mark. There are good and bad in every profession and sometimes it's the charming seemingly committed vet that is the true charlatan. Like any service or relationship, a critical eye means you are a smart consumer. Pseudoscience is an entirely different matter -- I will take a mediocre vet any day over some of these salespeople.

This test is unproven... there is no scientific proof to back up this test - nor is there scientific proof to say it is useless. That is or what appears to be the fact of the matter.


Ascribing greed and deliberate bilking of the public to Dr Dodds because of this test is quite a leap.
No-one has any idea of her intentions when she released this test to the public - although I personally don't understand why she did that. I can speculate as I did earlier.


On another note testimonials and clinical experience while weak, does not mean there is no validity in saying I took this test - followed the results of said test - and got better.


The fact remains there is much more to learn about the human and canine body than is known right now - and there are many treatment practices that are developed based on clinical experience and best practices that have no science back up - because we don't have the scientific back up yet - but what is a doctor to do? they use their experience, judgement and the combined knowledge of their field. Or Not treat at all because there are not 1000 -peer reviewed studies to justify their course of treatment?


We have exhaustively made the point that there is no science to back this test up. So BUYER BEWARE.

How about you show us all the research that backs this saliva test? Anecdotal evidence is not real evidence at all.....there are people who swear that placebos are helping them.

Actually, the people in the field are not close minded at all....they just rely on real scientific evidence. If someone told you that arsenic was the new magical cure would you use it? Of course not, so why would you believe anything without scientific proof?

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I don't believe you participated in this thread. You may have read it, but if not, there are some interesting posts about Dr.Dodds saliva test:

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...tolerance.html

I wouldn't be as bothered if the price point of the test was, say, $10 or $20. But $280???

I found an entire family for $89 when I did the DNA test with my birth sister we did a cheek scrapping in her living room. That test was $89 including the lab workup. Why is this test so much more money?

Besides the emergency vet I have been lucky I guess. The er vet seemed like I woke him up and was annoying him. The first vet we went to that we used for my moms and dad's pets was not bad persay but they were a "country vet" they do horses, goats and such as well as other pets and were always so busy and I felt rushed and everything else so when my current vet opened her practice we went and I loved it. They let me ask everything in the world didn't rush me or anything. She had worked at a vet hospital for many years before doing her own practice. One of my favorite vet techs always asks me when I'm going to start working for her and how I need to go to school to be a vet tech and work for her. The specialists I have been to have been great also. But Callie is my first so that might make a difference to. In 15 years I may feel different.

I believe this is what you are referring to regarding Skeptvet and stem cell therapy.

Selling Veterinary Stem Cell Therapies: Medivet’s Dodgy Advertising | The SkeptVet

The burden of proof is on the scientist who is making the claims to scientifically prove that their treatment works, using peer-reviewed research. Even Dr. Dodds admits that this hasn't been done yet, although she claims that such research is in the works. I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Her recommendation that the Nutriscan test be performed once a year at $280 a pop suggests that it is a moneymaking scam.

OMG I had no idea she suggested it be done yearly. I will stick with my $300 dentals yearly. Those give me what is needed for my pups1