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lynzy420 12-05-2014 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Zook4mud (Post 4510560)
I dont know how to copy and past all of what Diane said but I want to address the information " withheld" or not shared to her during his life. I am reading the vet report right this second and when she said I "dropped" the dog, I did. It was an accident. I had him in my arms trying to open a wipe container to wipe him. That was October 18th. 10 days after he was admitted to the hospital originally and 13 days before he passed. It is not related to his sickness. The vet diagnosis yes was trauma with an injection to help ease any discomfort. I think the key word here is "vet". I obviously took him to be looked at after the incident because yes he was traumatized from falling. If there was any serious injury he would have been kept. Or if I didnt care I wouldnt have taken him right? Say what you want about me dropping the dog but I am the one that has to deal with the fact that i did. to quote the vet " currently he appears fine, looks like the shock is gone. he got the wind knocked out of him apparently. offered him a/d and he ate really well in the room. will give him a metacam injection to pre-empt any achiness." If there was any relation it would be in the autopsy results and its not. If I was trying to hide anything I would have omitted the information when i sent it to her.
Also diane, you offered to take him back yes and jason and i both discussed that with you in great depth HOWEVER due to his illness I was not getting him cleared to fly so there for we had no choice but to take this on which we wanted to do because he was ours to care for.
I dont want this to turn into a battle btwn diane and I. I came here to share my story and reach her. We did. She messaged us privately last night and we are to be having a conference call tonight. I look forward to talking to her and being able to come on here and tell you all we have come to an agreement.

any update??

Zook4mud 12-05-2014 08:25 PM
We started a conversation tonight. To be continued tomm at 2pm est. will keep updated. Jason

MarkFromSea 12-05-2014 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4510598)
Jenskwan -- just fyi, we are able to track your IP Addresses and while it does indeed appear that Diane initially registered her account in Wisconsin -- it is clear that *you* are doing all the posting for her from Ontario, Canada.

Here I was commending Diane for her open response and willingness to come here when all along it's you posting for her. This is so dishonest.

Why are you posting as if you are Diane? Shouldn't Diane speak for her own breeding program?
I was wondering about the IP addresses, thanks very much for the info.

I am happy to hear that the situation appears to be headed in the right direction though. Ultimately, I think we all just want the contract to be honored and this matter resolved. :animal36

navillusc 12-06-2014 07:47 AM
Please accept my deepest sympathies, first, for your loss of your new puppy, Cash, followed by the battle for honor of the contract, and justice for the breach. I hope all is resolved to your satisfaction. Hugs

navillusc 12-06-2014 08:03 AM
Maybe I missed it, but I 'think' it is a geographical 'fact' that Ontario, Canada could be a 'day trip' and certainly from parts of Wisconsin. I have traveled similar distances by motorcycle and without even rushing. ;)

I am not trying to offend...just trying to understand. I truly hope for amicable and honorable resolution. This is a very sad situation. Hugs

Zook4mud 12-06-2014 12:26 PM
Its coming to an end
 
This is Meagan. We just got off the phone with the breeder and I am happy to say she is honoring her contract and also refunding us the cost of the autopsy.


This is has been an emotional and trying time and I thank you all for support. You all cared and shared. Giving advise to help us cope with our loss.

matese 12-06-2014 12:52 PM
So happy for you this has finally ended and breeder will honor her contract. Also happy YT was able to assist you in this dilemma. I will pray your next baby will be a healthy one and give you years of joy, laughter and love.

lynzy420 12-06-2014 01:42 PM
Is that reimbursement include a silence agreement as well?


I'm glad they finally lived up to their end, but with the pressure and all....what choice did they have...really. In the end this breeder and her mouthpiece showed me all the reasons no one should ever deal with them....stay tuned for my "formal" review of this breeder....

Graneet 12-06-2014 01:46 PM
Very happy for you and thanks to diane who came threw .

Zook4mud 12-06-2014 02:07 PM
lynzy
 
I am not sure I understand what you mean about a silence agreement?

chachi 12-06-2014 02:21 PM
It means she will honor her agreement but you are no longer allowed to talk publicly about her organization

smelcerk 12-06-2014 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zook4mud (Post 4510888)
This is Meagan. We just got off the phone with the breeder and I am happy to say she is honoring her contract and also refunding us the cost of the autopsy.


This is has been an emotional and trying time and I thank you all for support. You all cared and shared. Giving advise to help us cope with our loss.
Very relieved for you and your husband. It doesn't bring the puppy back but it does help to bring some closure to this sad event.

navillusc 12-06-2014 06:55 PM
I am glad it is working out. So sad you lost the pup. I hope you have no issues with your next puppy.

joyce evans 12-06-2014 09:14 PM
First of all I am so very sorry for your loss. RIP little Cash! I pray there aren't other siblings facing the same illness with unaware new owners??? So sad!

Lovetodream88 12-06-2014 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4510907)
Is that reimbursement include a silence agreement as well?


I'm glad they finally lived up to their end, but with the pressure and all....what choice did they have...really. In the end this breeder and her mouthpiece showed me all the reasons no one should ever deal with them....stay tuned for my "formal" review of this breeder....
There website was enough for me to see she is not a reputable breeder but what else was said by her "friend" summed it all up and put a nice big bow on it!

Wylie's Mom 12-07-2014 05:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zook4mud (Post 4510888)
This is Meagan. We just got off the phone with the breeder and I am happy to say she is honoring her contract and also refunding us the cost of the autopsy.


This is has been an emotional and trying time and I thank you all for support. You all cared and shared. Giving advise to help us cope with our loss.

This is wonderful news :). Very happy for you.

matese 12-07-2014 05:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4510907)
Is that reimbursement include a silence agreement as well?


I'm glad they finally lived up to their end, but with the pressure and all....what choice did they have...really. In the end this breeder and her mouthpiece showed me all the reasons no one should ever deal with them....stay tuned for my "formal" review of this breeder....
I look forward to your "formal" review.
IMHP, this is a bad breeder, it took OP to turn to YT and YT members coming to the aid of the OP. This put a fire under the Mediator (Jen) butt. Why did zook4mud have to come to this length to have contract honored. I don't care about breeders so called illness, you get sick you still have to pay your bills, pay your mortgage / rent, so pay the buyer or do we now call buyers "adopters" which ever, honor the contract that the breeder herself created. What about the rest of the litter little cash came from? what about the breeding pair that produced a liver shunt baby? I have waited for the conclusion of buyer vs breeder for refund of genetic illness that caused the death of a puppy that died 4 weeks after purchased. Now I can address this breeders tactics with my Facebook friends & family that live in NY, NJ, CT, PA, MD, N, FL.. They will spread the word and tactics of this breeder. I do not CARE if breeder is refunding purchase price and autopsy cost, look at what it took to be refunded.

jp4m2 12-07-2014 05:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zook4mud (Post 4510888)
This is Meagan. We just got off the phone with the breeder and I am happy to say she is honoring her contract and also refunding us the cost of the autopsy.


This is has been an emotional and trying time and I thank you all for support. You all cared and shared. Giving advise to help us cope with our loss.
I'm glad the breeder is going to honor the contract she provided to you. It's so sad the loss of your pup happened. RIP sweet baby.

Diane can now get back to business, after all this disruption must have impacted her bottom line and caused her some financial set backs. It's now full speed ahead on that production line. (smh)

kreuer 12-07-2014 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by matese (Post 4511058)
I look forward to your "formal" review.
IMHP, this is a bad breeder, it took OP to turn to YT and YT members coming to the aid of the OP. This put a fire under the Mediator (Jen) butt. Why did zook4mud have to come to this length to have contract honored. I don't care about breeders so called illness, you get sick you still have to pay your bills, pay your mortgage / rent, so pay the buyer or do we now call buyers "adopters" which ever, honor the contract that the breeder herself created. What about the rest of the litter little cash came from? what about the breeding pair that produced a liver shunt baby? I have waited for the conclusion of buyer vs breeder for refund of genetic illness that caused the death of a puppy that died 4 weeks after purchased. Now I can address this breeders tactics with my Facebook friends & family that live in NY, NJ, CT, PA, MD, N, FL.. They will spread the word and tactics of this breeder. I do not CARE if breeder is refunding purchase price and autopsy cost, look at what it took to be refunded.


Yes, it will be interesting to see if she continues to breed the 2. From the contract the OP put on here the mom and dad are Pebbles (4 lb. 16 oz.) and Enzo (2 lb. 6 oz.). Obviously bred to make tiny babies and to charge a ridiculous amount of money. Hopefully she does the right thing.

matese 12-07-2014 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by kreuer (Post 4511067)
Yes, it will be interesting to see if she continues to breed the 2. From the contract the OP put on here the mom and dad are Pebbles (4 lb. 16 oz.) and Enzo (2 lb. 6 oz.). Obviously bred to make tiny babies and to charge a ridiculous amount of money. Hopefully she does the right thing.
It will be more interesting to see if the OP is refunded, If it was me, I would believe it when that check clears my bank…... This breeder sucks, has no breeding ethics, not breeding to “better the breed”. Breeding tiny’s to “better her pocket”. IMO, she is no better then a BYB ….The breeder has medical issues, that puppy had genetic medical issues. Maybe this breeder’s medical issues is “what goes around, comes around” …..I doubt she will pull that mating pair, after all, she has a waiting list for her “awesome tiny” puppies“. My heart bleeds for that poor innocent little baby that suffered for weeks before having to be put down, and for the family that had to go through this pain with a wee little baby. No amount of money can erase what this family went through.

MauiGirl 12-07-2014 09:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zook4mud (Post 4510888)
This is Meagan. We just got off the phone with the breeder and I am happy to say she is honoring her contract and also refunding us the cost of the autopsy.

This is has been an emotional and trying time and I thank you all for support. You all cared and shared. Giving advise to help us cope with our loss.
I am happy to hear this is being resolved and hope you receive your refund promptly as agreed. Again, I am sorry for all you have gone through. The loss of a little one after having him only a few weeks is painful enough, and to have to battle with a non-responsive breeder just made it so much worse.

Now that you have found Yorkie Talk, I hope you will stick around and enjoy some of the good that this site provides. We are just a bunch of people who adore Yorkies, and love to share all things "Yorkie".

Zook4mud 12-07-2014 04:56 PM
some more insight
 
Chachi - Thank you for your clarification on the "silence" question and the answer is no. There is no amount of money that would keep me silent. I am not that kind of person.


Diane took full responsibility for her actions (lack there of) and her harsh words. She admitted she let her emotions get the best of her as she had herself just received news of her own health concerns. She doesn't blame me for the actions I took to have this resolved. To Joyce who asked about siblings that too is a concern and since I have an almost 2 year old from her out of the same parents I cant help but pray she lives a healthy life and that I couldn't possibly go through this again..... I offered my opinion on retiring the parents and trying to identify who carries the gene but I didn't push it when I realized she had her own opinion on that.


Mauigirl - I will most certainly be continuing my relationship with YT and I don't think this would have been possible without all of you!


I will let you know when my check clears!




Lovetodream88 12-07-2014 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zook4mud (Post 4511245)
Chachi - Thank you for your clarification on the "silence" question and the answer is no. There is no amount of money that would keep me silent. I am not that kind of person.


Diane took full responsibility for her actions (lack there of) and her harsh words. She admitted she let her emotions get the best of her as she had herself just received news of her own health concerns. She doesn't blame me for the actions I took to have this resolved. To Joyce who asked about siblings that too is a concern and since I have an almost 2 year old from her out of the same parents I cant help but pray she lives a healthy life and that I couldn't possibly go through this again..... I offered my opinion on retiring the parents and trying to identify who carries the gene but I didn't push it when I realized she had her own opinion on that.


Mauigirl - I will most certainly be continuing my relationship with YT and I don't think this would have been possible without all of you!


I will let you know when my check clears!



All she cares about is money so I doubt she would retire them it's such a sad thing. Glad your gonna stick around :)

lisaly 12-07-2014 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zook4mud (Post 4511245)
Chachi - Thank you for your clarification on the "silence" question and the answer is no. There is no amount of money that would keep me silent. I am not that kind of person.


Diane took full responsibility for her actions (lack there of) and her harsh words. She admitted she let her emotions get the best of her as she had herself just received news of her own health concerns. She doesn't blame me for the actions I took to have this resolved. To Joyce who asked about siblings that too is a concern and since I have an almost 2 year old from her out of the same parents I cant help but pray she lives a healthy life and that I couldn't possibly go through this again..... I offered my opinion on retiring the parents and trying to identify who carries the gene but I didn't push it when I realized she had her own opinion on that.


Mauigirl - I will most certainly be continuing my relationship with YT and I don't think this would have been possible without all of you!


I will let you know when my check clears!



I'm so sorry that you have gone through all of this. Little Cash has most certainly touched your heart, and it's so sad that you lost him so young.

For peace of mind, I would probably have a BAT test on your other little one to rule out a shunt or PVH-MVD. If there is any indication of slight liver disease, you can treat it with a different diet. I'm sure you are very educated on PSS and PVH, but I have attached a link for others.

I hope your heart heals and that you find another little one who is healthy. He will be a lucky little boy to be loved by you.

http://www.vet.utk.edu/clinical/sacs...2013-04-10.pdf

lynzy420 12-07-2014 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by lisaly (Post 4511260)
I'm so sorry that you have gone through all of this. Little Cash has most certainly touched your heart, and it's so sad that you lost him so young.

For peace of mind, I would probably have a BAT test on your other little one to rule out a shunt or PVH-MVD. If there is any indication of slight liver disease, you can treat it with a different diet. I'm sure you are very educated on PSS and PVH, but I have attached a link for others.

I hope your heart heals and that you find another little one who is healthy. He will be a lucky little boy to be loved by you.

http://www.vet.utk.edu/clinical/sacs...2013-04-10.pdf
:thumbup:

chestermama 12-07-2014 10:44 PM
Im so sorry for you loss

Zook4mud 12-08-2014 06:30 AM
Thanks
 
Thank you for the suggestion on the BAT test. I will talk to my vet.

Ieprnt 12-09-2014 12:36 PM
I just read this thread and am heartbroken at your loss, "Zook". While "happy" things will be resolved, I'm sure that emotion isn't really what you feel. There is no "happy" when you have lost a love, and now have the additional worry for the health of your other baby.

I am shocked and in a state of admiration at the power of this forum to get this issue resolved for these "yorkie'rents".

AZME 12-10-2014 05:57 AM
Sorry about Cash and although I am in NO way agreeing with the Breeder it sounds like she simultaneously got devastating news and acted based on a boatload of emotions that sometimes tragedy breeds (no pun here). Her behavior may not be the person she is. I don't know because I don't know her, but I have seen people who are blindsided w/ their own health issues crumble, act out and then regroup. I am in no way excusing her actions. She should be a woman of her word and do the right thing. It sounds like she was up to her ass in alligators and this news of Cash tipped her over the edge. I am glad that she is resolving this, but the issue of the bloodline and the shunting is worrisome for the puppies born previously including your own pup that you got from her. You obviously had a relationship with her previously and thought she was an upright person and perhaps she is. What happens next will be telling in regards to that.
It is good to know that the power of this forum/community helped to get this resolved financially although it will never feel resolved personally dealing with this loss. So sorry.

ladyjane 12-10-2014 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Zook4mud (Post 4511368)
Thank you for the suggestion on the BAT test. I will talk to my vet.
I am going to share something that not all vets are aware of...specialists are, but I can tell you that my vet was stunned by what happened to my pup. My Teddy Bear had a shunt that was not diagnosed until he was about 8. I had him for 7 years and he seemed perfectly healthy. I had blood work on him every year during his annual and nothing was ever out of the normal range. He suddenly one night got sick and ended up hospitalized with bladder stones..and they found a shunt! This actually is very common...more than people realize! It all depends on how much blood flow is going through the liver. The specialist told me they often see this in adult pups.
HEre is a link about Teddy Bear:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...ver-shunt.html

BATs are easy to do and very inexpensive (around $80) . With this breeder, and your recent experience, I would highly recommend it.


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