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thelittleyorkie 10-03-2014 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4492915)
They will develop arthritis with our without the surgery.
I see. I'm not an expert--just doing the best I can to see what's going on by doing Internet searches...lol :)

ladyjane 10-03-2014 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007 (Post 4492954)
Taylor I have had a dog not a yorkie but a Pomeranian with patellas above a grade 4 that my vet said would be a waste of money doing the surgery. that was back when she was a year old she passed at 10 years from kidney failure. But for you to say someone is a bad breeder based on your experience is just wrong. I know Ava personally and she would not breed a dog with bad patellas knowingly. I would bet when she found out the issue she stopped using the male. Also how would you know if she has or has not contacted other owners of puppies from this sire. Also as far as the cost of LP surgery. Like a previous poster said you live in Maryland and Ava lives in Georgia. She could have a good relationship with her vet and seeing as she is a breeder she probably gets a discount. So before you start a witch hunt get the facts first.
I get discounts for orthopedic surgery and I can tell you that price of $300 is ridiculous.

maggiesmom_2007 10-03-2014 08:34 AM
I never said my friendship with her made her a good breeder, But tarring and feathering any person before anyone has the facts is wrong regardless. I don't understand how most jump on a breeder for letting a potential buyer know before she even gets the puppy that it has a problem with it's knees , but let someone come on here with no knowledge of breeding come on here and say they have an oops or they just want to breed their dog once and it's okay. unbelievable. I don't think the cost of the surgery is crazy as my vet is one that does not charge over 1000 for a lp surgery and it's not because he is a bad vet it's because he has 4 other locations and he is also a repro vet so he can afford to lower his costs. In fact a friend of mine had LP surgery done on one of her pups and her total costs including medications and bloodwork prior to the surgery was only 800.

Lovetodream88 10-03-2014 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007 (Post 4492954)
Taylor I have had a dog not a yorkie but a Pomeranian with patellas above a grade 4 that my vet said would be a waste of money doing the surgery. that was back when she was a year old she passed at 10 years from kidney failure. But for you to say someone is a bad breeder based on your experience is just wrong. I know Ava personally and she would not breed a dog with bad patellas knowingly. I would bet when she found out the issue she stopped using the male. Also how would you know if she has or has not contacted other owners of puppies from this sire. Also as far as the cost of LP surgery. Like a previous poster said you live in Maryland and Ava lives in Georgia. She could have a good relationship with her vet and seeing as she is a breeder she probably gets a discount. So before you start a witch hunt get the facts first.
Maybe you should read all my posts I believe it was the last one where I said if she still breeds him knowing then she's a bad breeder but if she stops breeding him then maybe she is not so bad. I don't care where you live in the US LP surgery is not that cheap and many people from many different states have already said that. It is also not something a regular vet should do and a breeder should know that in my opinion. My dear just about everything on this board is mostly from peoples experience and just like yours mine matters. LP in a genetic problem most of the time so breeding to better the breed would mean not breeding a dog with LP or a dog with it in there lines that is my opinion you can take it or leave it.

Nancy1999 10-03-2014 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007 (Post 4493064)
I never said my friendship with her made her a good breeder, But tarring and feathering any person before anyone has the facts is wrong regardless. I don't understand how most jump on a breeder for letting a potential buyer know before she even gets the puppy that it has a problem with it's knees , but let someone come on here with no knowledge of breeding come on here and say they have an oops or they just want to breed their dog once and it's okay. unbelievable. I don't think the cost of the surgery is crazy as my vet is one that does not charge over 1000 for a lp surgery and it's not because he is a bad vet it's because he has 4 other locations and he is also a repro vet so he can afford to lower his costs. In fact a friend of mine had LP surgery done on one of her pups and her total costs including medications and bloodwork prior to the surgery was only 800.
I totally agree with you here, most byb's don't even know that the puppy has LP and if they did, they would never inform the buyer. we really don't know for sure if she said LP cost only $300, they're may be some misunderstanding on the buyers part. We only have one side of the story. However, if she doesn't want to lower the cost of the pup to cover the cost of surgery that's her choice.

Lovetodream88 10-03-2014 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by maggiesmom_2007 (Post 4493064)
I never said my friendship with her made her a good breeder, But tarring and feathering any person before anyone has the facts is wrong regardless. I don't understand how most jump on a breeder for letting a potential buyer know before she even gets the puppy that it has a problem with it's knees , but let someone come on here with no knowledge of breeding come on here and say they have an oops or they just want to breed their dog once and it's okay. unbelievable. I don't think the cost of the surgery is crazy as my vet is one that does not charge over 1000 for a lp surgery and it's not because he is a bad vet it's because he has 4 other locations and he is also a repro vet so he can afford to lower his costs. In fact a friend of mine had LP surgery done on one of her pups and her total costs including medications and bloodwork prior to the surgery was only 800.
We don't think it's ok when someone has an accidental breeding and you will see that in most posts about it but if a dog is in great danger helping the poster is more important at that time. LP surgery should never be done by a regular vet period it should be done by an orthopedic surgeon so maybe that's why it's cheaper but certainly is not the right thing and in my opinion a good vet will refer you to a specialist when it is nessisary like for LP surgery. I have heard many many times of people getting LP surgery done by a regular vet and then having to go to an orthopedic surgeon anyway to fix it because the vet did it wrong. Again let me clear this up for you I said IF she continues to breed that male with LP she is not a good breeder. It's also just my opinion it dosent make it a fact and last time I checked we were allowed to have opinions on this board. You don't have to like it but it is mine you can also have your own.

ladyjane 10-03-2014 10:37 AM
Lots of vets do things to keep clients. Does not mean I would EVER let one of them mess around with my pups legs.

When I see people posting these things about their wonderful vets doing such surgeries, I wonder if they would go to their family physician and ask for them to do a knee replacement.

WHY do we treat animals any different than we do outselves is the question I believe needs to be asked.

As for breeders and cheap vets....the reason for that is the bottom line. And, then they tell me they are breeding for the betterment of the breed. WhatEVER. It is about the money if you must bargain shop for vetting. My opinion!

I personally think that knocking off $200 for a puppy who has LP at such a young age, is a rip off. My opinion! I would not walk away, I would run.

ladyjane 10-03-2014 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4493070)
I totally agree with you here, most byb's don't even know that the puppy has LP and if they did, they would never inform the buyer. we really don't know for sure if she said LP cost only $300, they're may be some misunderstanding on the buyers part. We only have one side of the story. However, if she doesn't want to lower the cost of the pup to cover the cost of surgery that's her choice.
Oh it is absolutely her choice and the choice of the buyer whether to pay or not. I would not and I voiced that opinion. Up to the buyer at this point. I will say it is good that the breeder informed the buyer.....but IF she did quote that price, it is a disgrace in my opinion.

ladyjane 10-03-2014 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by thelittleyorkie (Post 4492985)
I see. I'm not an expert--just doing the best I can to see what's going on by doing Internet searches...lol :)
The internet is not always reliable. I normally stick with things I know or have personal experience with because there is just too much bogus and incorrect information out there.

AtlantaMom2 10-04-2014 07:15 AM
THANK YOU everyone for helping me sort through all of this. I was surprised and delighted to receive a phone call last night from the Yorkie breeder, Ava. She was most reassuring and told me that she did NOT breed Yorkies with known patella problems. Someone from Yorkie Talk had contacted her about my anxious posts. I was mistaken in thinking that her daughter's Yorkie that needed patella surgery was the sire for this litter. Mea culpa! I apologized profusely and want to make sure that you know this. I will not be buying the puppy with the Grade 2 patella but will be looking at her other puppies.

gemy 10-04-2014 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlantaMom2 (Post 4493306)
THANK YOU everyone for helping me sort through all of this. I was surprised and delighted to receive a phone call last night from the Yorkie breeder, Ava. She was most reassuring and told me that she did NOT breed Yorkies with known patella problems. Someone from Yorkie Talk had contacted her about my anxious posts. I was mistaken in thinking that her daughter's Yorkie that needed patella surgery was the sire for this litter. Mea culpa! I apologized profusely and want to make sure that you know this. I will not be buying the puppy with the Grade 2 patella but will be looking at her other puppies.


Thank you for keeping us updated and for clarifying the situation.

ladyjane 10-04-2014 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlantaMom2 (Post 4493306)
THANK YOU everyone for helping me sort through all of this. I was surprised and delighted to receive a phone call last night from the Yorkie breeder, Ava. She was most reassuring and told me that she did NOT breed Yorkies with known patella problems. Someone from Yorkie Talk had contacted her about my anxious posts. I was mistaken in thinking that her daughter's Yorkie that needed patella surgery was the sire for this litter. Mea culpa! I apologized profusely and want to make sure that you know this. I will not be buying the puppy with the Grade 2 patella but will be looking at her other puppies.
Thanks for letting us know.

I hope the other puppy is placed in a wonderful home who will take care of those knees properly.

AtlantaMom2 10-06-2014 11:27 AM
New Yorkie pup is home!
 
Hello! Little three pound Max came home yesterday afternoon! Ava spent two hours with me and she was marvelous. Today we saw our vet and this little guy is just fine! Lilly, my 5 year old Yorkie mix is not impressed. Max wants to play and Lilly wants no part of it. Lilly needs some time to adjust. Any suggestions?

Nancy1999 10-06-2014 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AtlantaMom2 (Post 4494051)
Hello! Little three pound Max came home yesterday afternoon! Ava spent two hours with me and she was marvelous. Today we saw our vet and this little guy is just fine! Lilly, my 5 year old Yorkie mix is not impressed. Max wants to play and Lilly wants no part of it. Lilly needs some time to adjust. Any suggestions?
Yes, Lilly needs some time to adjust, and he's probably going to try to drive her nuts. Let her handle the situation, and unless you think he's actually in danger, do not interfere, but allow her to behave as mother dog would. Don't forget, his teeth are very sharp and he's going to try and nurse her and she should be allowed to tell him "NO". Once she knows she's still the boss, and he learns he has to mind her, they will get along better.

Rachael1983 10-07-2014 03:13 AM
Congrats on Little Max! I bet he'll be a ball of fun the next few weeks.


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