Originally Posted by YorkieRini

Being involved in Biewers for 3 years by researching, talking to many breeders, and becoming a member of the IBC a year over a year ago I feel I confident this was the intent of Mr Biewer. The history of the Biewer and the standard, they are both spelled in black and white; very simple. The Biewer originated to the original Friedheck parents. Mr Biewer developed a standard and everyone knows when you breed you breed to the standard. Yorkies and Biewers each have a standard mixing the 2 standards are creating a mix of breeds or a mixed breed. Doesn't matter what the history fact is fact standard is standard. I have my Biewers and love their colors and how different they are from Yorkies and the Tri colored Yorkie. The would be ruined if I bred them to a Yorkie. All the hard work that was put into breeding the 4 generations of pure Biewer would be thrown out the window. This breed is still new so there are alot of changes. Having talked to reputable breeders in Germany told that breeding back to a Yorkie is done only on rare occasions the true Biewers lines have been established for the most part the need to breed to a Yorkie should not be required. The one thing I don't know is how to tell what lines have been established. I'm waiting to see if that comes out because IMO the Biewers don't have a chance to be a breed of their own if we keep breeding them to another standard. IMO, if you breed to Yorkie to a Biewer those should not be referred to as True Biewers.

As many of you have seen Sue and I discuss our passion about this lovely breed. We both have different views I guess. I want to make it clear that my intention is to share my view on the Biewer breed based on what I've been taught and read. If I see a document or it written that Yorkie is OK and will be OK and considered a Biewer...I will NOT incorporate the Yorkie with my Biewer but I WILL say NO MORE...until then I am going to always share my views on the subject just as Sue has been. Time will tell who's correct if either of us are.

This is not to cause a debate please. Sue and I have talked privately and understand eachothers views and respect them.

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

I will agree to the fact that we do sit in different corners here. I might have to sit in my corner alone.

You claim you want documented proof then how about producing some yourself... :) You make all your views perfectly clear but with what??? Show me & others here on this forum some proof to bring us into your corner. Three years of research you should have some links or references or something in black & white for all of us to view that we can all learn from. I have done my research as I am sure many others have. I can only stress that the Club you refer to as being a member of IBC still refers to the Biewers as "Yorkshire Terriers" why would this be???

I think the history of where this breed begins is extremely important and should never be disregarded.

I am not trying to start a debate I just would like you to share your wealth of knowledge with the rest of us and bring us all up to speed.

Originally Posted by mhorst

Just had to express my opinion here. I think pure Yorkies and pure Biewers are all beautiful. I would like to have a Biewer myself, but have a new Yorkie pup already, and don't want to pay the price for a Biewer.

Personally, if I was looking for another furbaby and a Yorkie/Biewer mix came available at a good price and I did not intend to breed but have as a pet only, I'd JUMP at the chance.

Go for it!!! :thumbup: :thumbup: You may have a really unique pet, and if it does default to look like a Yorkie, depending on the quality of the Yorkie parent, you may have a high quality baby at a reasonable price.

Wish you the very best!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Julz

If it intrigues you as a pet, I'd say get one! :) It won't have papers, but that won't matter anyway as a pet. A pet isn't a "bad" word. They are adorable. They will neither have the "Yorkie" look or the "Biewer" look. The Biewer has a white base. The Yorkie doesn't have all that white for markings. However, the little white the purebred standard yorkies do have usually grows out. It will be interesting to see how these pups change and what they will look like as adults. However.....that is always a wonder for us with standard Yorkies :) .

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

I am providing a couple of links that might help here. First link is the standard for the breed (mostly translated)

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

As I watched the Westminster Dog Show and saw Cockers (for one breed) who were described as the same breed but shown in different color classes, I thought of these discussions about Biewers being Yorkshire terriers.. I still say they are the same breed but just in different colors. The Biewer family would have called them something comletely different than "Yorkshire terrier" a la pompon if they were convinced they had made a whole new breed. Since they used Yorkies and ONLY Yorkies to develop these Biewers, they can only be a Yorkshire terrier...

Originally Posted by Snow Yorkies

I am providing a couple of links that might help here. First link is the standard for the breed (mostly translated)


This is the Biewer Standard

This is a link so you will be able to veiw Mr. Biewers dogs http://www.ach-l.de/Fotos%20Biewer%2...%20Terrier.htm