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Nancy1999 04-25-2014 11:27 AM
Wow, this is great news, I really hope it true, I always thought it would happen, but didn't realize it would happen so fast. The Biewer breeders must have been really good at keep accurate records.

Sukey 04-25-2014 11:29 AM
my breeder posted this on FB today (she breeds yorkies and biewers and is the Vice President of the BTCA)

BWRTerrierFan 04-25-2014 05:08 PM
IT IS IN FACT TRUE: The AKC's FSS Accepted the Biewer Terrier
 
Yes, it is true. The Biewer Terrier has been accepted into FSS program by the AKC. The AKC board voted in the April board meeting to accept them under the breed name of Biewer Terrier and the only registrations they will be accepting are BTRA, Biewer Terrier Registration of America. It will be posted in the April minutes at the end of next week.

luvlee 04-26-2014 09:33 AM
This makes so very important to check the bonafides of the breeder you select. Make sure before laying down big bucks that your baby biewer terrier has been properly DNA tested to ensure it's purebred.

I love my biewer terrier!

Tracey

And rock on & mega thanks to the BTCA for making this happen!

kjc 04-26-2014 09:37 AM
Is this not a good thing for the 2 other Biewer groups?

luvlee 04-26-2014 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4426939)
Is this not a good thing for the 2 other Biewer groups?
Depends. There's more than one group really. The Biewer Terrier Club of America has always believed that the biewer had to be established as purebred thru DNA.

Some groups ( and I'm not singling out anybody) felt it was healthier to breed in a yorkie every so often. They still called their dogs biewers. They won't be able to do that any more.

Some groups have stopped the mixing but their foundation stock may not be pure either. They stand to lose big bucks by losing the biewer name. They call their dogs a "breed" & not a "terrier". It may be a little misleading to continue to do that.

So will everybody be friends & play nice now? Don't know.

If you want a biewer terrier though, I'd lean toward a BTRA registered litter to ensure you have a purebred. Just my opinion.

Tracey

pstinard 04-26-2014 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by luvlee (Post 4426957)
Depends. There's more than one group really. The Biewer Terrier Club of America has always believed that the biewer had to be established as purebred thru DNA.

Some groups ( and I'm not singling out anybody) felt it was healthier to breed in a yorkie every so often. They still called their dogs biewers. They won't be able to do that any more.

Some groups have stopped the mixing but their foundation stock may not be pure either. They stand to lose big bucks by losing the biewer name. They call their dogs a "breed" & not a "terrier". It may be a little misleading to continue to do that.

So will everybody be friends & play nice now? Don't know.

If you want a biewer terrier though, I'd lean toward a BTRA registered litter to ensure you have a purebred. Just my opinion.

Tracey
My understanding is that non-BTRA registered dogs will have to be DNA tested, and if they don't test as Biewers, they won't be accepted by the FSS program of the AKC. There's no way to know for sure until they're tested, but I'm guessing that Biewer lines that have been crossed to Yorkies in the recent past will probably not pass the test, whereas many of the ones that have been bred Biewer to Biewer will pass the test. I'm hopeful that a lot of additional Biewer stock will be brought into the Biewer Terrier fold. Fingers crossed!

luvlee 04-26-2014 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4426971)
My understanding is that non-BTRA registered dogs will have to be DNA tested, and if they don't test as Biewers, they won't be accepted by the FSS program of the AKC. There's no way to know for sure until they're tested, but I'm guessing that Biewer lines that have been crossed to Yorkies in the recent past will probably not pass the test, whereas many of the ones that have been bred Biewer to Biewer will pass the test. I'm hopeful that a lot of additional Biewer stock will be brought into the Biewer Terrier fold. Fingers crossed!
Problem may be that bbir didn't check back far enough for purity. We'll see what happens when the DNA comes in...

If you search this sight you'll find heated discussions about this issue. I always wondered why some fought so hard against DNA testing.

Well now we'll all get the answers one way or another.

luvlee 04-26-2014 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4426971)
My understanding is that non-BTRA registered dogs will have to be DNA tested, and if they don't test as Biewers, they won't be accepted by the FSS program of the AKC. There's no way to know for sure until they're tested, but I'm guessing that Biewer lines that have been crossed to Yorkies in the recent past will probably not pass the test, whereas many of the ones that have been bred Biewer to Biewer will pass the test. I'm hopeful that a lot of additional Biewer stock will be brought into the Biewer Terrier fold. Fingers crossed!
Problem may be that bbir didn't check back far enough for purity. We'll see what happens when the DNA comes in...

If you search this sight you'll find heated discussions about this issue. I always wondered why some fought so hard against DNA testing.

Well now we'll all get the answers one way or another.

scrapindee 04-27-2014 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by luvlee (Post 4426986)
Problem may be that bbir didn't check back far enough for purity. We'll see what happens when the DNA comes in...

If you search this sight you'll find heated discussions about this issue. I always wondered why some fought so hard against DNA testing.

Well now we'll all get the answers one way or another.
And some groups may prefer to continue as Rare breed dogs. Similar to the Havanese and Havana Silk Dogs; or Jack Russell terriers and Parsons terriers.

(Where did you hear that BBIR dogs aren't DNA'd? They certainly are.)

Please search on here re the validity of Mars Testing.

luvlee 04-27-2014 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 4427649)
And some groups may prefer to continue as Rare breed dogs. Similar to the Havanese and Havana Silk Dogs; or Jack Russell terriers and Parsons terriers.

(Where did you hear that BBIR dogs aren't DNA'd? They certainly are.)

Please search on here re the validity of Mars Testing.
No no. Not my intent to say that. Just that to get FSS registration with the AKC there may need to be additional testing for non-btra litters.

That's just what I have read. There can always be non-akc registered biewers. Just as there are non registered yorkies.

Were I to pay primo bucks for one though, I'd want a FSS litter - just like I prefer to have an akc registered Yorkie.

Tracey

CouversMom 04-27-2014 07:00 PM
This is very exciting news!!

luvlee 04-27-2014 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CouversMom (Post 4427735)
This is very exciting news!!
It IS awesome!!!!!! And non-BTRA Biewers can be registered as long as they get DNA tested. So really, it's not about one "group." It's all about the start of new AKC breed & one standard.

And the Biewer is a beautiful dog!

Tracey

Britster 04-28-2014 06:51 AM
That's great!!

Reminds me of the stuff going on w/ Mini Aussies now. They're now AKC accepted but they're called Mini American Shepherds. But some don't want to seperate into a new breed, they just want a size variation of an Aussie... it's crazy... lol

pstinard 04-28-2014 07:18 AM
Yaaayyy!!! It's official!!!!!
 
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I received an email from the Director of the AKC FSS program confirming that Biewer Terriers have indeed been accepted into the FSS program!


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