I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding. I wasn't trying to suggest people were jealous of ME. The jealousy I was talking about was on prominent display by breeders (or friends of breeders) in this forum directed towards Terry. They are green with envy because Terry is raising nicer and more desired puppies than they are able to produce.

And obviously because smaller dogs are both harder to raise and in higher demand they go for a higher price. That just infuriates breeders who can only produce bigger dogs.

I just skimmed this last page, haven't read all the posts.

But I'm starting to hate the term 'backyard breeder'. It's just too generic.

I have no desire to have a show quality dog. I want dogs who are primarily bred to be pets, with things like obedience, conformation, agility, etc, coming in second.

My definition of backyard breeder is a heck of a lot different than "A backyard breeder is trying to breed a nice well socialized puppy for the pet market."

Two very great posts :thumbup: I could not agree with them more!

I don't have any Biewer breeder friends in fact I don't have any breeder friends period except one and it's more about the dogs to me. Breeding a female under 5 pounds just shows your reckless and don't care about your breeding females. It is selfish to breed under 5 pound females simply to have tiny dogs and jack there price up not nice and not good. They go for a high price only if the breeders bad and will market that smaller puppy like that. Breeders like that are terrible. If reputable breeders wanted to risk female dogs lives and possibly there lines then sure they too could be bad breeders like her and breed for tiny ones but it would ruin what they work so hard for. Whether Biewer is recognized by AKC or not a reputable breeder breeds to better the breed not make it frail will massive health problems. How can someone say the yorkies are home raised with family when some one who went to there house never saw anything other then the pups? Wouldn't they be running around the house? Or could they be locked in a basement, small cages, or even sheds? Hmmmm....

I have to address something that is incorrect.....there are "show rings" for Biewer terriers. I know this because my pup's breeder show's her dogs and I've seen pictures from the shows as well as all the medals she has hanging in her house.

I do think it is possible for someone to not show their dogs yet still breed healthy puppies.(they have quality stock and do health testing on the parents, socialize the puppies and keep them with the mom for 12 weeks (preferred))......that's different than what I would call a backyard breeder bc that term has a negative association to it

First to the OP welcome to YT. I have been here a few years and have found so much info from some of the very best breeders around. Yes there are many heated conversations but that is because of the passion we all feel for our babies. I purchased my first yorkie from a puppy mill before I knew what they were. So far he has been healthy but who knows what is in his future(all good we pray) but who really knows. We have a tiny little 3 lb girl too who is very healthy but she came from a 6lb mom and a 5lb sire. People who breed these tiny little ones purposely are just asking for health issues. Do they care? Probably not because after all it is the person who bought these puppies who's hearts will be broken. Sure they offer a replacement, like I said their hearts aren't involved. I think you will find a lot of good information here if you decide to stay but as far as the breeders here being jealous I find that highly unlikely. I pray you puppy has a long and healthy life but I also pray that if this breeder is purposely breeding tiny little pups and causing so much heartache not only for the owners but these precious little lives that the news will spread and she will no longer have a business to discuss.

Nicely said

Because the breeder is breed the best lines they put a lot in testing for health and behavior. This is what you want. You want the healthiest dog bred. I am sorry to say a back yard breeder does not do this. They get their dogs from either other back yard breeders and or puppy mills.

actually The Biewer is being shown in a number of shows. I was at one this weekend. It was the ICKC. There is also the NAKC show. We are so used to AKC that we do forget there are other shows. And also there is a lot of back yard breeders that do not even breed AKC.

All the reputable breeders I know Biewers and some Yorkie, BRT, and Aussies all treat their dogs like family. They run around the house. They are pets.

For example I am friends with one of the top Biewer Breeders. Her dogs. All in long coat run around the house. They are not even wrapped. They go outside with her children and play. They even go play in the snow. But when they are in the ring . . . Incredible. Galen comes from a show breeder. He is the most well a just boy. He is not afraid of anything not even a shop vac. . . And that is the breeder. And I know a few people here that met Galen when he is a pup can say that.

I do not know how you you spent but is you spent. But I am guessing over $1000. And if you did then you could have got one from a show breeder.

I do give a lot of advice and support to my fellow owners. I do not like getting into fights or light a match. I try to be very diplomatic. We are here to educate. I a lot of people here have got their dogs from a back yard breeder, at the time they did not know better or they rescued one. They have seen and paid lots of vet bills because of this. That is why there is a lot of passion that comes out.

The breed standard

WEIGHT & HEIGHT: Up to 22cm (8 inches)in height and a weight of about 3.1 kg. (6.5 lbs)

The thing that the reputable breeders do not do is to breed a female smaller then 5 lbs. it is not safe for the pups or the mother. And even in the AKC . . . A judge will not give points to a tiny female. She view it as a waste because the dog will not be breed. And these dogs are there to better the breed.



Galen comes from a reputable breeder. He was charting about 4.5 lbs. He stopped at 3.5lbs. When I got him at 2lbs. He is so tiny. I had to watch everything. One wrong step . . .

I had Nutrical on hand all the time and still do. . . He is not allowed to go up and down the stairs. If he falls he can hurt himself. He does not jump off the couch or chair. I have an ex pen to keep him when I go out. So he doesn't get hurt or eat something he shouldn't. When we are out in public most of the time he is picked up because people do not watch were they are going.Someone can step on him. I had to put a potty pad down for the winter because it was way too cold for him to go out.

These are just some of the things I do to keep my little guy safe and healthy. I am home. I can spend my time taking care of him. Most people work. I can not see leaving a little one without supervision all day.


I get stopped all the time. . . Oh he is cute I want one that small . . .then I tell them all of that. They are like . . WOW I did not know. Maybe I should look for a large sized one..

The thing is a 5-6 or even 8 lbs dog is not big. You can still put them in a bag and carry them around. And take them everywhere. It is the celebrities that made this popular. But they have the resources to pay for medical and care for them. The average person does not.

Good luck with your pup. I hope he is always happy and healthy.

I don't care at all about "Breed Standards" or the show ring or ribbons.
For me it's all about having a calm loving well socialized puppy.
That's what I got from Terry.

If that makes people jealous or angry and they want to sit back and
throw cowardly anonymous stones at her... well nothing I can do about that.

I don't show. . . I just want a happy and healthy dog just like you. But I want to give my dog the best chance for a healthy and happy life by starting with a well bred pup from a reputable breeder.

The best thing I heard was from my vet when I brought him in for his wellness exam . . .. Now the practice has been around for over 100 years. . . He hasn't ;) But He has owned the practice for 32 years . . .anyway, he said Galen was the best and healthiest "Yorkie" he has ever see. Btw I live in NY

I'm still confused why you have repeatedly stated people are jealous. We should all care about breed standards and more importantly HEALTHY dogs being bred that produce HEALTHY puppies. When you come to a forum dedicated to Yorkies you will find passion for the breed. I'm not sure if you've looked any further than the General forum but take a scroll through the Sick & Injured / Emergencies Talk - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community. There you will see what is being produced to make a buck and not for health. Furthermore, from what little that I do know regarding Biewers there is a breed club, Biewer Shows as well as a breed standard which is all part of their attempt to be AKC recognized. I believe they also have or had a Biewer rescue but I'm unsure if it is still active.


BTW....Welcome to YorkieTalk :)

I think that people here are most concerned about a calm, loving, well-socialized HEALTHY puppy. A lot of people think that Terry's breeding style is not conducive to healthy puppies. Jealousy has nothing to do with it.

My stones are never anonymous, I write my message on every single stone I throw....based on fact. You my friend have been misled and misguided and don't want to accept that, its ok. I hope for your pups sake they live a long and happy life....

(thumb up) and yes read and read some more here on YT.