Hee hee, silly me! I never could respond well to snarky! All I can say, sweetie, is WHATEVER!!!

Have a great nite friend!

Have to say that's not how it's looking to an outsider. It looks like a bunch of really snippy backstabbing bitter angry mean people. Sorry to say it but it's a real turn-off. This is not the site for me.

Hi and Welcome to YT :), although I'm a bit late. We have over 124,000 members here and I can for sure tell you that we have some incredibly kind, supportive, and wonderful members here. I would encourage you to look a little further before judging a place after only a bit of time here and a few posts. I would bet you almost anything that you'll find some fantastic people here.

I see you're in AZ, me too - I'm in Phoenix metro. Where are you?

Oh my goodness, please don't feel that way! "Snippy" may apply occasionally - but the other stuff...not really at all. I just let it roll.

Cooler heads usually prevail and this site can be an invaluable resource for you and your baby's needs.

I have no personal interest in this website other than being a registered member. I can honestly say that it has helped me with issues concerning my dogs on several occasions.

Sorry for the bumpy start though!

Best wishes,
Tracey

I'm sorry I was not getting that could you please explain why you feel that way? I was just seeing people post there opinion about a breeder. We do that a lot here because many of us have gotten a dog from a bad breeder and try to save other people from what we have been through.

I don't get why anyone would be angry over being told they may have gotten their dog from a BYB. If anything it's helpful to take that away and keep it in the back of your mind as these dogs do, god willing, live very long lives. In that if you have even a suspicion that the person you got a pup from May not be the best breeder you can then set up preventative measures to make sure your dog has good vet insurance. Of course I'd recommend getting vet insurance regardless but if I had an even an inkling that my dogs breeder might not of given my dog the best hereditary start in life, then I'd certainly get the insurance, without a doubt. Even if you don't want to believe she's a bad breeder that's fine. We're just trying to warn you so that if in the future her breeding business does come apart at the seems you will be prepared for that. Keep in good contact with her if that's what you choose to do. It's your opinion that she's a good breeder and it's our opinion that she isn't. So on that subject we can agree to disagree but this board is still a wealth of information and it's inviting to all members regardless of where the puppy came from. Hopefully you'll stick around but forewarning that a difference of opinion is inevitable in a public forum. It's no reason to run off though.

I added a couple of tags to this thread (puppy mill and biewer backyard breeder) to help it come up in google searches. Everyone please feel free to add more!

:thumbup: yup and make sure it's a pet insurance that cover genetic problems.

A backyard breeder is trying to breed a nice well socialized puppy for the pet market.

A "Reputable" Breeder is trying to breed the best lines to get the perfect purebred dog to win ribbons in the show ring.

Of the two, I know what kind of dog I'd rather own.

Since the Biewer Terrier isn't a recognized breed in the USA (yet), there's is no show ring. All Biewer breeders are really just glorified backyard breeders.

That said, Terry raises some of the very nicest Yorkies. Home raised, well adjusted, friendly happy little pups. You sure can't say that about a lot of "Reputable" breeders.

Florida has some of the toughest breeder laws in the country. All Terry's pups are vet checked by law before she can sell them. Of course if you sell enough pups some of them will have health problems. That happens with "reputable" breeders too and it's tragic when it happens. A good breeder will offer a replacement pup and I understand Terry does that as any good breeder should.

Terry is raising really adorable very small cute puppies with great personality. That's what people want and they are willing to pay really big bucks to own one. I did. Our little Zander is wonderful. He is so full of life and spunk it's clear he was well raised in a loving family home.

In this forum I don't hear helpful people trying to offer advice and support. What I hear really sounds like jealousy.

Zander
 

Sorry, I don't know the rules on double posts or hot links in this forum but I didn't get a picture of Zander posted with my last message in time and the forum locks messages after 5 min.

Here's Zander. Hope the picture works.

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Really? Seriously? I am going to tap your shoulder gently and whisper in your ear "you have no idea what you are talking about"...there is a ton of information here on YT and if you had come here sooner you would probably not have purchased from Terry. and jealous????? That's just almost insulting, I paid 2500.00 for my Mini, and so far more than $20,000 in vet bills...ahhhh, yes I'm jealous.....btw, even though you have insulted me, I will be here when and if you need my help...I really hope it works out well for you and your pup, as I said in my pm...Welcome to YT!

I know those who posted and I can tell you they are very much not jealous. Just wanting to educate people. A reputable breeder does not have to be a show breeder but a very good breeder who does everything right. Breeding a female under 5 pounds to get tiny pups is not what a good breeder does. I did talk to one of her buyers who went to her home and never saw any sires or dams and that seems to be a little disturbing to me. I do hope you continue to have good luck with your little guy.

All I can say to you is with your 5 posts you know of not what you speak. ;)
Lynzy420 knows exactly what she's talking about with her first hand experience.

Nobody's jealous of you. Seriously, Yorkshire Terrier is one of the most sought after breeds in America especially with respect to the toy breeds. That said, none of us got off cheap with our purebred registered Yorkies. However, our furbabies are priceless to us so what they cost is completely irrelevant to us in the whole scheme of things. To imply that you're better off financially than the rest of us on this board and therefore we are jealous of your ability to pay big money for a puppy is extremely extremely pompous and insulting. We own a company so our princess Darla wants for nothing and trust me this little purebred AKC registered Yorkshire Terrier sitting next to me wasn't cheap in the slightest. I'm gonna follow MegansMomma's signature advice and stop at this post.

Spoken like a True blue Yorkie devoted momma! OP if you think the value of a Yorkie is based on the price tag on their heads...you just may be at the wrong forum...we've got Yorkies from puppy mills, rescues, shelters, pet stores, the best and the worst breeders here...we value each of them equally, we love them unconditionally, we rejoice in their triumphs, we cry at their losses, we fight for their rights. We YTers are a diverse group all with different ideas and beliefs but collectively we stand together in the belief that every Yorkie, well bred, show dog or even a Yorkie mutt, each of them are truly priceless....

I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding. I wasn't trying to suggest people were jealous of ME. The jealousy I was talking about was on prominent display by breeders (or friends of breeders) in this forum directed towards Terry. They are green with envy because Terry is raising nicer and more desired puppies than they are able to produce.

And obviously because smaller dogs are both harder to raise and in higher demand they go for a higher price. That just infuriates breeders who can only produce bigger dogs.

I just skimmed this last page, haven't read all the posts.

But I'm starting to hate the term 'backyard breeder'. It's just too generic.

I have no desire to have a show quality dog. I want dogs who are primarily bred to be pets, with things like obedience, conformation, agility, etc, coming in second.

My definition of backyard breeder is a heck of a lot different than "A backyard breeder is trying to breed a nice well socialized puppy for the pet market."

Two very great posts :thumbup: I could not agree with them more!

I don't have any Biewer breeder friends in fact I don't have any breeder friends period except one and it's more about the dogs to me. Breeding a female under 5 pounds just shows your reckless and don't care about your breeding females. It is selfish to breed under 5 pound females simply to have tiny dogs and jack there price up not nice and not good. They go for a high price only if the breeders bad and will market that smaller puppy like that. Breeders like that are terrible. If reputable breeders wanted to risk female dogs lives and possibly there lines then sure they too could be bad breeders like her and breed for tiny ones but it would ruin what they work so hard for. Whether Biewer is recognized by AKC or not a reputable breeder breeds to better the breed not make it frail will massive health problems. How can someone say the yorkies are home raised with family when some one who went to there house never saw anything other then the pups? Wouldn't they be running around the house? Or could they be locked in a basement, small cages, or even sheds? Hmmmm....

I have to address something that is incorrect.....there are "show rings" for Biewer terriers. I know this because my pup's breeder show's her dogs and I've seen pictures from the shows as well as all the medals she has hanging in her house.

I do think it is possible for someone to not show their dogs yet still breed healthy puppies.(they have quality stock and do health testing on the parents, socialize the puppies and keep them with the mom for 12 weeks (preferred))......that's different than what I would call a backyard breeder bc that term has a negative association to it

First to the OP welcome to YT. I have been here a few years and have found so much info from some of the very best breeders around. Yes there are many heated conversations but that is because of the passion we all feel for our babies. I purchased my first yorkie from a puppy mill before I knew what they were. So far he has been healthy but who knows what is in his future(all good we pray) but who really knows. We have a tiny little 3 lb girl too who is very healthy but she came from a 6lb mom and a 5lb sire. People who breed these tiny little ones purposely are just asking for health issues. Do they care? Probably not because after all it is the person who bought these puppies who's hearts will be broken. Sure they offer a replacement, like I said their hearts aren't involved. I think you will find a lot of good information here if you decide to stay but as far as the breeders here being jealous I find that highly unlikely. I pray you puppy has a long and healthy life but I also pray that if this breeder is purposely breeding tiny little pups and causing so much heartache not only for the owners but these precious little lives that the news will spread and she will no longer have a business to discuss.

Nicely said

Because the breeder is breed the best lines they put a lot in testing for health and behavior. This is what you want. You want the healthiest dog bred. I am sorry to say a back yard breeder does not do this. They get their dogs from either other back yard breeders and or puppy mills.

actually The Biewer is being shown in a number of shows. I was at one this weekend. It was the ICKC. There is also the NAKC show. We are so used to AKC that we do forget there are other shows. And also there is a lot of back yard breeders that do not even breed AKC.

All the reputable breeders I know Biewers and some Yorkie, BRT, and Aussies all treat their dogs like family. They run around the house. They are pets.

For example I am friends with one of the top Biewer Breeders. Her dogs. All in long coat run around the house. They are not even wrapped. They go outside with her children and play. They even go play in the snow. But when they are in the ring . . . Incredible. Galen comes from a show breeder. He is the most well a just boy. He is not afraid of anything not even a shop vac. . . And that is the breeder. And I know a few people here that met Galen when he is a pup can say that.

I do not know how you you spent but is you spent. But I am guessing over $1000. And if you did then you could have got one from a show breeder.

I do give a lot of advice and support to my fellow owners. I do not like getting into fights or light a match. I try to be very diplomatic. We are here to educate. I a lot of people here have got their dogs from a back yard breeder, at the time they did not know better or they rescued one. They have seen and paid lots of vet bills because of this. That is why there is a lot of passion that comes out.

The breed standard

WEIGHT & HEIGHT: Up to 22cm (8 inches)in height and a weight of about 3.1 kg. (6.5 lbs)

The thing that the reputable breeders do not do is to breed a female smaller then 5 lbs. it is not safe for the pups or the mother. And even in the AKC . . . A judge will not give points to a tiny female. She view it as a waste because the dog will not be breed. And these dogs are there to better the breed.



Galen comes from a reputable breeder. He was charting about 4.5 lbs. He stopped at 3.5lbs. When I got him at 2lbs. He is so tiny. I had to watch everything. One wrong step . . .

I had Nutrical on hand all the time and still do. . . He is not allowed to go up and down the stairs. If he falls he can hurt himself. He does not jump off the couch or chair. I have an ex pen to keep him when I go out. So he doesn't get hurt or eat something he shouldn't. When we are out in public most of the time he is picked up because people do not watch were they are going.Someone can step on him. I had to put a potty pad down for the winter because it was way too cold for him to go out.

These are just some of the things I do to keep my little guy safe and healthy. I am home. I can spend my time taking care of him. Most people work. I can not see leaving a little one without supervision all day.


I get stopped all the time. . . Oh he is cute I want one that small . . .then I tell them all of that. They are like . . WOW I did not know. Maybe I should look for a large sized one..

The thing is a 5-6 or even 8 lbs dog is not big. You can still put them in a bag and carry them around. And take them everywhere. It is the celebrities that made this popular. But they have the resources to pay for medical and care for them. The average person does not.

Good luck with your pup. I hope he is always happy and healthy.

I don't care at all about "Breed Standards" or the show ring or ribbons.
For me it's all about having a calm loving well socialized puppy.
That's what I got from Terry.

If that makes people jealous or angry and they want to sit back and
throw cowardly anonymous stones at her... well nothing I can do about that.

I don't show. . . I just want a happy and healthy dog just like you. But I want to give my dog the best chance for a healthy and happy life by starting with a well bred pup from a reputable breeder.

The best thing I heard was from my vet when I brought him in for his wellness exam . . .. Now the practice has been around for over 100 years. . . He hasn't ;) But He has owned the practice for 32 years . . .anyway, he said Galen was the best and healthiest "Yorkie" he has ever see. Btw I live in NY

I'm still confused why you have repeatedly stated people are jealous. We should all care about breed standards and more importantly HEALTHY dogs being bred that produce HEALTHY puppies. When you come to a forum dedicated to Yorkies you will find passion for the breed. I'm not sure if you've looked any further than the General forum but take a scroll through the Sick & Injured / Emergencies Talk - YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community. There you will see what is being produced to make a buck and not for health. Furthermore, from what little that I do know regarding Biewers there is a breed club, Biewer Shows as well as a breed standard which is all part of their attempt to be AKC recognized. I believe they also have or had a Biewer rescue but I'm unsure if it is still active.


BTW....Welcome to YorkieTalk :)

I think that people here are most concerned about a calm, loving, well-socialized HEALTHY puppy. A lot of people think that Terry's breeding style is not conducive to healthy puppies. Jealousy has nothing to do with it.

My stones are never anonymous, I write my message on every single stone I throw....based on fact. You my friend have been misled and misguided and don't want to accept that, its ok. I hope for your pups sake they live a long and happy life....

(thumb up) and yes read and read some more here on YT.