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brandy712 01-28-2014 11:22 PM

Is my yorkie full bred?
 
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I'm about to purchase a female yorkie that will cost me 800$. She will not come with akc papers because the owners didn't want to pay an extra money for the paperwork since they didn't plan on breeding the puppies. My question is, do u guys/gals think she is full bred and is she worth the 800$ . She is very tiny. A bit smaller then The size of my hand and is 8 weeks old.

DaisyBaker 01-29-2014 05:43 AM

For $800.00 - No Papers, No Sale.

bjh 01-29-2014 05:48 AM

Welcome to YorkieTalk. The puppy is adorable and she definitely looks purebred yorkie. She looks very tiny. Please be sure the breeder will keep the puppy until she is at least 12 weeks old. Also make sure the breeder has a good health guarantee. Have you met the puppy in person or the breeder? There are a lot of scammers out there.

Patti 01-29-2014 06:50 AM

She looks full yorkie to me. WIll she give you a good health guarantee? She is adorable.

Bellabean 01-29-2014 07:38 AM

$800.00 and no papers?!?

Deb1 01-29-2014 08:14 AM

Omg....she is adorable! She looks full yorkie to me and I don't really think $800 is a bad price, but I would try to get the AkC papers if possible.

gracielove 01-29-2014 08:21 AM

Honestly, there is no way to know for sure if she is a purebred Yorkie. Mixed breed Yorkie pups often look just like a full bred Yorkie when they are pups. It is when they start to mature that you clearly see the differences.

Did you see both parents and are you quite sure these people are being truthful with you? Do they have other dogs in the home? Do they plan on having another litter. There are ways of rooting out a dishonest breeder if you know the right questions to ask.

The pup appears small for 8 weeks. Under sized pups are notorious for having digestive problems when they are brought home. I hope they will let her stay with the litter until she is at LEAST 12 weeks and has been eating solid food for several weeks. Otherwise you could be opening yourself up for major (and very expensive) problems.

brandy712 01-29-2014 08:35 AM

Thank you all so much. And yes she is extremely adorable! :D
Like a week ago my aunt bought a "full bred" yorkie as well from this guy, I'm buying it from his sister which he referred me too. They seem like good ppl. My aunt says that the guy is really kind and helpful and always asks how the puppy (biggie) is doing and is even asking her to send him pics along the way of the puppy as he grows up.
No i haven't seen the parents. The last time that my aunt bought her puppy from this guy we met up at a public place .

mimimomo 01-29-2014 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by brandy712 (Post 4382984)
Thank you all so much. And yes she is extremely adorable! :D
Like a week ago my aunt bought a "full bred" yorkie as well from this guy, I'm buying it from his sister which he referred me too. They seem like good ppl. My aunt says that the guy is really kind and helpful and always asks how the puppy (biggie) is doing and is even asking her to send him pics along the way of the puppy as he grows up.
No i haven't seen the parents. The last time that my aunt bought her puppy from this guy we met up at a public place .

BIG :redflag:! They sound like puppy brokers to me...they get all their puppies from puppy mills. You will not know what kind of health issues will crop up, the $800 can turn into $8000+ in vet bills.
It's best to see the parents on site. A good breeder will proudly show you the mom & dad, also offer a good health guarantee. PLEASE get pet insurance!

gracielove 01-29-2014 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by brandy712 (Post 4382984)
Thank you all so much. And yes she is extremely adorable! :D
Like a week ago my aunt bought a "full bred" yorkie as well from this guy, I'm buying it from his sister which he referred me too. They seem like good ppl. My aunt says that the guy is really kind and helpful and always asks how the puppy (biggie) is doing and is even asking her to send him pics along the way of the puppy as he grows up.
No i haven't seen the parents. The last time that my aunt bought her puppy from this guy we met up at a public place .

Sorry, but reputable breeders do not meet customers in public places. If they are not willing to invite you into their home and let you see both parents you are dealing with a mill or a broker. If you are willing to help them profit from the abuse of animals then be prepared for anything.

JuliannaB 01-29-2014 09:14 AM

Kudos to you, as I think that you came to the right place to ask your questions. As a layman, I would NOT be comfortable meeting a person in public that has a Yorkie for sale. Total red flag to me!! If in your shoes, I would be asking myself - why is it that I can't go to their home and see the conditions there and hopefully meet one of the parents of this pup?? Do they have something to hide??? I would definitely take heed from the professionals who posted before me, as I am not one of them but feel they have given great advice. They certainly know what they are talking about from experience. I know the feeling of getting attached to puppies very easy, but please think twice before getting this pup... it is in your best interest. This may, and most probably will, cost you way more than the initial $800. I am not trying to talk you out of owning a Yorkie, as they are a very sweet breed, but asking that you take the time to get one from a respectable breeder, who will open their door to you so that you can see the conditions of where your pup is coming from. In your shoes, after what I wrote, I would feel let down thinking I couldn't own this pup, but I would also think - I would be the one paying the bills. Some of the best things are worth waiting for. Please do more homework before going through with this. Wishing you all the very best in your decision!

MarkFromSea 01-29-2014 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by brandy712 (Post 4382852)
I'm about to purchase a female yorkie that will cost me 800$. She will not come with akc papers because the owners didn't want to pay an extra money for the paperwork since they didn't plan on breeding the puppies. My question is, do u guys/gals think she is full bred and is she worth the 800$ . She is very tiny. A bit smaller then The size of my hand and is 8 weeks old.

She's a cutie for sure but.... BAD RED flag if you can't visit the home... see the pups parents... for $800.... papers should be included... I suspect.

misskate 01-29-2014 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JuliannaB (Post 4383015)
Kudos to you, as I think that you came to the right place to ask your questions. As a layman, I would NOT be comfortable meeting a person in public that has a Yorkie for sale. Total red flag to me!! If in your shoes, I would be asking myself - why is it that I can't go to their home and see the conditions there and hopefully meet one of the parents of this pup?? Do they have something to hide??? I would definitely take heed from the professionals who posted before me, as I am not one of them but feel they have given great advice. They certainly know what they are talking about from experience. I know the feeling of getting attached to puppies very easy, but please think twice before getting this pup... it is in your best interest. This may, and most probably will, cost you way more than the initial $800. I am not trying to talk you out of owning a Yorkie, as they are a very sweet breed, but asking that you take the time to get one from a respectable breeder, who will open their door to you so that you can see the conditions of where your pup is coming from. In your shoes, after what I wrote, I would feel let down thinking I couldn't own this pup, but I would also think - I would be the one paying the bills. Some of the best things are worth waiting for. Please do more homework before going through with this. Wishing you all the very best in your decision!

Agree 100% with all the above. No house visits, numerous family members dealing with puppies and no papers (they aren't all that expensive). I know that all you have to do is see that little one and you are hooked. Please be careful as the medical issues can be overwhelming and heart breaking. These are very delicate dogs and are subject to all sorts of genetic illnesses. Read some of the threads on this forum and see what others are dealing with. This breed is delightful and I wouldn't want any other but beware

MauiGirl 01-29-2014 09:55 AM

The puppy is adorable, but then I've never seen a "puppy" that was not. She looks Yorkie, but certainly looks aren't everything, and you should know much more about her, her parents, and the breeder. As others pointed out her small size means she needs extra care until she reaches 12 weeks or 2 lbs.

If you do get her, make sure someone is with her all the time to monitor her, and know the signs of hypoglycemia. Also be prepared for vet care and expensive emergencies that could far exceed the price of the pup.

There are reputable breeders that sell pure Yorkies, AKC registered, with shots, vet check and health guarantee, for about the same price.

Good luck, and I hope you get a healthy pup!

BELLBELLBOO 01-29-2014 10:07 AM

No papers? No house visit? Gota ask your self hummm..... But what a cuttie ! Sure does tug on the ole heart strings!

dollydoodle 01-29-2014 11:00 AM

If she is only 8 weeks old she hasn't been taken from the mother yet, right? And just a week ago your aunt bought a Yorkie from these people-what litter is that pup from? Have you asked him where are the parents, who are the parents, do any of them have papers, how many does he have....yup, none of the answers will add up.
Also, his excuse for no papers doesn't add up because I believe the papers for the pup are applied for when you get the pup & YOU send them in & pay the money. So sounds like the breeding dogs don't even have papers.


Yes, that pup's cute, but so are all pups, plus all the dogs at the shelters who are dropped off by people who most likely didn't put enough thought into their "purchase".


Good luck to you. Just please be sure you're not adding to the abuse of a poor breeding mama.

nanahas3 01-29-2014 11:25 AM

She is adorable but I to see a lot of red flags. The biggest one for me is that with her being so small they are not doing a thorough check on where she will be going and her care. Tiny babies tend to be a lot more work. Also it may be the way the pictures are taken but her head seems a little big for her tiny body.

dollydoodle 01-29-2014 11:42 AM

Also, have you actually seen this dog? Some sellers use the same photos for different pups.

Yorkiemom1 01-29-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deb1 (Post 4382968)
Omg....she is adorable! She looks full yorkie to me and I don't really think $800 is a bad price, but I would try to get the AkC papers if possible.

She is adorable....but I would tell the breeder you want the AKC registration and YOU will pay for it. Contact AKC and ask if you can just register the puppy you are getting and not the entire litter....explane the breeder does not want to register the litter, but you want the baby you are getting, registered and you will pay for her registration. When YOU offer to pay for the registration, see if the reason she does not register the puppies, changes.

dawn27 01-29-2014 12:58 PM

I agree with the majority . . She seems to be full blooded and she is as cute as a button but there are too many things that make you wonder Why ?

No papers, no home visit, no parents to view. Exchange in a public place, it seems like they are trying to hide something and that alone would be a huge problem for me when choosing a pup.

brandy712 01-29-2014 02:09 PM

Thank you All So Much For All The help. So far she is still with her parents. Until this Sunday when she turns 8 weeks. She will have her first shots and tail docked. It's true what many of u guys are saying, it really makes me wonder. I am keeping close contact with him through texting and asking him a lot of questions. The reason why we didn't meet at his house last time I'd because my aunt wasn't sure who the person was therefor she wanted to meet him in a public place. As far as the parents of the pup I still haven't seen or asked pics of the parents so I will certainly do that. What are so reputable breeders u guys know of where I can buy a healthy yorkie with akc papers??

brandy712 01-29-2014 03:39 PM

Thank you all so much for your help. The puppy is 8 weeks and will be ready to go on sunday. She will come with her first set of shots and tail docked. I keep in contact everyday with this guy through text so I'm going to definitely ask him more questions and ask to see a picture of the parents. The reason why we met him at a public place is because when my aunt got her puppy she had no idea who this guy would be so she asked to meet him at a public place with lots of ppl. Also do u guys know of a good breeder that sells yorkie with health warranty and akc papers? I would really appreciate any advice.

yorkietalkjilly 01-29-2014 03:41 PM

She looks very young and you apparently know nothing of the health history of the breeding lines she comes from. If these breeders are brokers are BYB's, they likely never get the full health testing of their breeding dogs to be sure there are no genetic time-bombs of liver shunt/MVD, hydroencephalopathy, Legg-Perthes disease, luxating patellae, collapsing trachea, hypoglycemia(pretty common in undersized, young puppies & they can suddenly die from it) but there are several more that have been bred into this breed due to lack of proper health testing for genetic markers of the breeding pair. So, they pass along one or more of these problems and you buy a pup cheaper than you could from a reputable breeder who breeds only to better the breed, and you wind up spending any savings at the vet and getting to watch your baby suffer sometimes for a lifetime, as some things can't be fixed with surgery or medicine.

I'd pass on this breeder and dog if it were me and stay on this site, read all you can about this breed, what to look for in health certificates, what to expect from a Yorkie puppy and what breeders are caring and responsible enough about the dogs they bring into this world to sell to the public to run tests before a single breeding takes place to be as certain as possible the breeding pair are healthy and free from diseases and lurking conditions which they will likely pass on to any puppies and only breed two dogs if both are cleared by tests and healthy, good-tempered and vigorous, routine sized representatives of their breed. And they certainly don't sell tiny, tiny puppies at only a few weeks of age but allow the puppies to stay with mommy until they are at least 12 weeks of age and while with her during the time their brain does a lot of important developing, imprinting them with her presence and gentle teaching and they learn many vital lessons they need to know in order to be healthy, happy pets. And a responsible breeder will have to test you out for your qualifications as a fit parent for one of their babies and they check your references, ask you many questions to test you. That's the kind of breeder you want to do business with and give your money to.

Bellabean 01-29-2014 04:09 PM

She is cute, though.

pstinard 01-29-2014 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4383176)
She looks very young and you apparently know nothing of the health history of the breeding lines she comes from. If these breeders are brokers are BYB's, they likely never get the full health testing of their breeding dogs to be sure there are no genetic time-bombs of liver shunt/MVD, hydroencephalopathy, Legg-Perthes disease, luxating patellae, collapsing trachea, hypoglycemia(pretty common in undersized, young puppies & they can suddenly die from it) but there are several more that have been bred into this breed due to lack of proper health testing for genetic markers of the breeding pair. So, they pass along one or more of these problems and you buy a pup cheaper than you could from a reputable breeder who breeds only to better the breed, and you wind up spending any savings at the vet and getting to watch your baby suffer sometimes for a lifetime, as some things can't be fixed with surgery or medicine.

I'd pass on this breeder and dog if it were me and stay on this site, read all you can about this breed, what to look for in health certificates, what to expect from a Yorkie puppy and what breeders are caring and responsible enough about the dogs they bring into this world to sell to the public to run tests before a single breeding takes place to be as certain as possible the breeding pair are healthy and free from diseases and lurking conditions which they will likely pass on to any puppies and only breed two dogs if both are cleared by tests and healthy, good-tempered and vigorous, routine sized representatives of their breed. And they certainly don't sell tiny, tiny puppies at only a few weeks of age but allow the puppies to stay with mommy until they are at least 12 weeks of age and while with her during the time their brain does a lot of important developing, imprinting them with her presence and gentle teaching and they learn many vital lessons they need to know in order to be healthy, happy pets. And a responsible breeder will have to test you out for your qualifications as a fit parent for one of their babies and they check your references, ask you many questions to test you. That's the kind of breeder you want to do business with and give your money to.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: There is NO WAY I would pay $800 for a puppy without papers. Way too many red flags. She is too small, you haven't seen the parents, and even if they do manage to show you some "parents," there's no way of knowing that they are actually the real parents. There is no way of knowing whether or not she is a purebred Yorkie. And selling a dog in a public place? NO WAY!

yorkietalkjilly 01-29-2014 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4383184)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: There is NO WAY I would pay $800 for a puppy without papers. Way too many red flags. She is too small, you haven't seen the parents, and even if they do manage to show you some "parents," there's no way of knowing that they are actually the real parents. There is no way of knowing whether or not she is a purebred Yorkie. And selling a dog in a public place? NO WAY!

Amen to all of that.

Public place?!?! Instant red flag. Puppymillers, greeders and brokers who don't want you to see their breeding facilities because they are often shockingly dirty, unhealthy and overpopulated by sick and neglected dogs who never see the light of day - let alone not ever living as beloved family pets - are the only people who don't want you to come to their home, see their facilities, see the parents, see the health certs the breeding dogs have been given by the vet, and don't care to have you sit down, visit and get to know what kind of person you are and home situation you have for the puppy. ANYONE who will sell you their dog without getting to know you via a questionnaire, interview and checking your references and finding out whether or not you measure up to owning their dog is just selling to quickly get rid of the dog, make money as soon after the whelping as possible and could care less about the kind of home that baby is going to. That kind of breeder isn't breeding to better the breed or doing their darndest to produce the healthiest, best-tempered dog possible or trying to ensure it goes to a responsible, loving home where it will be well-cared for all of its days. I wouldn't do business with that type breeder.

Lovetodream88 01-29-2014 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brandy712 (Post 4383139)
Thank you All So Much For All The help. So far she is still with her parents. Until this Sunday when she turns 8 weeks. She will have her first shots and tail docked. It's true what many of u guys are saying, it really makes me wonder. I am keeping close contact with him through texting and asking him a lot of questions. The reason why we didn't meet at his house last time I'd because my aunt wasn't sure who the person was therefor she wanted to meet him in a public place. As far as the parents of the pup I still haven't seen or asked pics of the parents so I will certainly do that. What are so reputable breeders u guys know of where I can buy a healthy yorkie with akc papers??

If her tail is not already docked to is to late to do it. She also absolutely should not leave her mom until 12 weeks old.

yorkiefan_ 01-29-2014 09:12 PM

That pup is cute as hell. Which is why I think everyone should pick their breeder before picking their pup.

MauiGirl 01-29-2014 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by brandy712 (Post 4383175)
Thank you all so much for your help. The puppy is 8 weeks and will be ready to go on sunday. She will come with her first set of shots and tail docked. I keep in contact everyday with this guy through text so I'm going to definitely ask him more questions and ask to see a picture of the parents. The reason why we met him at a public place is because when my aunt got her puppy she had no idea who this guy would be so she asked to meet him at a public place with lots of ppl. Also do u guys know of a good breeder that sells yorkie with health warranty and akc papers? I would really appreciate any advice.

There is a lot of helpful information in the Yorkie Talk Library about what to look for when buying a Yorkie; here is the link http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/pup...uy-yorkie.html

And once you do get a puppy here is a lot of stuff you should know: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/pup...w-parents.html

Good luck, hope you take the time to find a healthy pup.

yorkiefan_ 01-29-2014 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by brandy712 (Post 4383175)
Thank you all so much for your help. The puppy is 8 weeks and will be ready to go on sunday. She will come with her first set of shots and tail docked. I keep in contact everyday with this guy through text so I'm going to definitely ask him more questions and ask to see a picture of the parents. The reason why we met him at a public place is because when my aunt got her puppy she had no idea who this guy would be so she asked to meet him at a public place with lots of ppl. Also do u guys know of a good breeder that sells yorkie with health warranty and akc papers? I would really appreciate any advice.

8 weeks is insanely early for a tiny like her. If you get her you better be there to keep a really close eye for hypoglycemia. Make sure to buy Nutrical and do a lot of research on hypoglycemia. A tiny that young is in a lot more danger of it than a typical yorkie pup. Or better yet don't think of taking her from her mother at that age. I know 8 weeks is the standard with most dogs and it works well with larger ones, but 8 weeks is way too young for yorkies.


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