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Yorkiemom1 12-27-2013 07:01 PM

Every moment that you wait to start tube feeding these pups, is a moment you are falling behind. I taught a girl in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia) to tube feed her baby, first via email, then over the phone....tube feeding is EASIER than bottle feeding and a lot less dangerous, and more percise! You need to start putting some urgency in your pace Michelle! Get on line and pull up several of the HUNDREDS of videos on how tyo tube feed a puppy, and get started saviung these babies! Hopefully, you are at the very least, using a formula that we breeders have posted on this site dozens of times....and not just canned dog milk.....Please, PLEASE, learn how to tube feed from someone, ANYONE, .....I can not believe there is no vet in your area that will help you with this....It absolutely is anguish for me to sit and watch precious little babies die, starve to death, because they were not at least given the chance tube feeding the correct formula provides.

capt_noonie 12-27-2013 07:39 PM

Are the puppies not eating at all, or just fussy? I can not even imagine how stressful that must be. They are so tiny!

Yorkiemom1 12-27-2013 08:00 PM

You NEVER try to bottle feed a baby with a weak sucking reflex/gag reflex....you will end up with formula in the lungs.....mortality rate for aspiration pneumonia is about 88%. If they are healthy eaters, you still have to spend sooooooo much time feeding each of the babies, by the time you get them all fed and cleaned up, it is time to start over. They have to be getting 1cc/oz of a NUTRITIOUS formula at least every 2 hours around the clock. You have no way to ensure that baby is getting what it needs to survive by guessing around with a bottle.....Tube feeding delivers the exact amount needed, as often as needed, quickly and safely, with NO energy expended by the enfant as it struggles to live.

McheleM 12-27-2013 08:16 PM

Yes, we are weighing them and I am looking at videos to learn about tube feeding.

MandiesMom 12-27-2013 08:50 PM

Could you two ( Michele and Judy) possibly talk on the phone right NOW ? Judy, you could teach her. Or, call Magic Genie (sp?)that posted her phone # earlier..?

My lil friend 12-27-2013 09:18 PM

I would like to ask for prayers for Allie. Michele is on her way back to the ER with her. Please keep them in your thoughts. She is panting,low temp and is weak,pale pink gums. Michele's husband and daughter have the puppies.

MauiGirl 12-27-2013 09:25 PM

Prayers are going out for Allie, and for the pups too.

Doodlebug 12-27-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by My lil friend (Post 4366536)
I would like to ask for prayers for Allie. Michele is on her way back to the ER with her. Please keep them in your thoughts. She is panting,low temp and is weak,pale pink gums. Michele's husband and daughter have the puppies.

I pray that Allie will be ok. Michelle, thank you for your post. If I had ever considered breeding I certainly would not after this. Again, I pray that Allie will be ok.

Doodlebug 12-27-2013 09:38 PM

Sorry double post

My lil friend 12-27-2013 10:11 PM

An update: Allie was making a retching noise without actually throwing up. The vet said that her throat was irritated from being intubated. The pain meds are upsetting her tummy,so she is being given an anti nausea med and they are letting her go home.
Michele sounded absolutely worn out. She is talking to someone about helping her learn to tube feed. Everyone in her house needs a good nights sleep so that healing can begin.
I will be trying to update for Michele until she is up to doing it herself.
Thank you to those that are still up at this hour (Midnight TX time) and praying for this family in need.

MarkFromSea 12-27-2013 10:19 PM

Thanks for the update! Glad to hear. Positive thoughts from Washington...

wemple2 12-27-2013 10:42 PM

Michele has my total and complete support in this endeavor...I pray for Allie's over all health, her 4 precious, innocent babies to thrive and Michele strength to endure...this is going to be a very difficult road...but I'm confident in the power of prayer and will continue to do so as there is nothing else I can offer...

MauiGirl 12-27-2013 10:53 PM

Thanks for the update, glad to hear it wasn't anything worse for Allie. Prayers will continue.

Yorkiemom1 12-27-2013 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MandiesMom (Post 4366518)
Could you two ( Michele and Judy) possibly talk on the phone right NOW ? Judy, you could teach her. Or, call Magic Genie (sp?)that posted her phone # earlier..?

I would call and talk to her in a second, but I have NO voice from this sickness I have had for a month!!! All I can do is make squeeking and squealing sounds. I have contacted a friend in the Dallas area via email, to see if she knows anyone that can help her with tube feeding....I would get in the yellow pages and start at the top of the page and go until I found a vet that would teach me how to save these babies....insist on them teaching how to tube feed....she is going to have to get the feeding tube from a vet, since she cant wait a week for a shipment from Revival or Lambert Vet Supplies...they may have tiny feeding tubes at a feeding store....if she can get her hands on a butterfly needle, she can cut the needle part off and use that clear IV tubing...it is a perfect size for this.....all my c-sections are given Torbutrol in Vitamino for pain...it is very well tolerated by momma and babies.....Her family is just beginning to experience exhaustion! There will not be any sleep for weeks...they need to come up with a shift system...these babies are desperately in need of care from Michelle....no time to "get rest so the healing can begin"....welcome to breeding.

McheleM 12-27-2013 11:09 PM

I can use every prayer anyone can spare.
I am calling my midwife in the morning to see if she will give me some butterflies.

Good news is Allie is actually showing interest in the puppies on her own. I was sitting on the bed texting an update, after puppies had been fed and cleaned up and she walked from the bedroom into the bathroom and kind of stood there looking at the box they're in.
She's okay with them being closer to her if they aren't squeaking. She doesn't like their noises they make. When my daughter and I sit to feed them, she will come sit beside us and kind of look at them out of the corner of her eye, like she doesn't want us to see her looking at them.
After bringing her home from the vet just now, the first place she went was to the bathroom. She got into her travel bag and out herself at the very back of it as if she were hiding and starting digging around. Not sure what that's about. (We are watching her anytime she's near the puppies).

We have a friend who is an herbalist and he mixed up some herbs for her that is supposed to help her milk come in as well as some of the hormones she would have felt during birth that she missed out on from the c-section. We are hoping this will help spark her maternal instinct and help her want to be mamma. If not, we will continue feeding puppies. We are waiting on several contacts with information on feeding tubes and help and I appreciate the outpouring of support.

I hope and pray no other Yorkie owner has to go through this because of a desire to breed their dog. Trust me. It's NOT worth it!!!


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