I am sorry that you are having such a hard time with the pups. My best wishes to your little girl and the babies. I hope you all pull through. It does always seem darkest before the dawn. Positive, healing energy to your family.

Yeah, it was meant as humorous! I wouldn't really divorce my hubby (I don't think so anyway, but it hasn't actually happened yet. haha).

I hate to get this thread off-track with my story. I'm glad the OP has shared her experience so that others learn from it. I must admit, I've thought about it a little. Rory babies would be so darling! She's such a good dog, and it would be for the betterment of the breed (IMO), but I have no experience and this thread scared me. I don't want to put her through that.

And this was why I posted it. So that people who are thinking about it will think again.

Well I know nothing about breeding except what I have learned on YT, but there is so much more I have learned from the generous folks here that have made my life and Cali's life so much better:D

MicheleM I applaud all you are doing for your pups and mama dog. Shows you truly care about them. Your honest story about the mistake is a eye opener and reminder to others. Then again, how many children are born into this world and loved who were "mistakes" or not planned, but adored and nurtured - all of which you are doing.

I wish you continued strength to care for those furbabies!

Michelle, I didn't read all the posts here, so don't know who's offering help. If you need help, I'll give it. 978-314-2154 or pm me here on YT.

Geez for someone to say cussing at someone is stooping to a low, you sure are cussing a lot.

You learned a lot or you like to tell other people how you did something? And by the way, how did you potty train that 3 month old, when you aren't even supposed to take the baby away from mom until 12 weeks (3 months)?

Im hoping that Michele will have time to come and give us an update on the puppies and Allie later,maybe start a new thread just about how they are. I know that she is appreciating the helpful comments and the good thoughts.

I think it was great of Michele to make this post. Many people don't care to even admit they make a mistake when they do. Also I do think this could help other people who want to breed who won't listen to the people who know stuff like this could happen but will listen to the people it has happened to. This happening is what scares me when people don't know what there doing because most people would just let the puppies die either not knowing any better or just not caring. Good luck and I hope things work out.

It took a lot of courage to write your post, and it will help others a great deal. You made a mistake, are taking full responsibility for it, and sharing your experience with others. It's obvious the length you will go for your pups after your bout with parvovirus, now that you got Allie the help she needed when a c-section became necessary, and all the loving things you do for others on YT. I'm just as sure that you will care for Allie and her four princesses. Please know that we care and will be rooting for you and your babies.

From Michelle's first post, it appears as though the pregnancy was an accidental tie and not an intentional "i am going to breed my dogs" breeding. Yes, perhaps it is irresponsible for her not to spay/neuter her pets and allow them in the house together....but even good breeders can have an accidental tie happen. I don't think she planned on becoming a BYB.

There are lots of people who intentionally Backyard breed every day and don't see anything wrong with it and they never see it as making a mistake. Heck, there are people who come on here, read up on things and STILL don't see what they did wrong and never will. At least a. it was an accident and not an intentional breeding and b. she knows she made a mistake and is owning up to it...and not only is she owning up to it, she's sharing her story in hopes that it will prevent others from making the same mistake.

The fact that she is owning up to and taking responsibility for the mistake, IMO, speaks volumes. It's not like she's advocating BYBing. I do understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion....but I think Michelle already understands that BYB'ing is bad and she's well aware of why. I am all for trying to educating people who need to be educated and I am all for trying to change someone's opinion when they feel they should breed their dogs, but aren't doing it in a professional way....but in Michelles case, I think she already understands those things. Just my 2 cents.

It's nice to see so many people stepping up to help her out, btw~~ Hopefully the mamma dog will start to take care of the puppies herself.

Michele I am sorry you are going through this but I have to ask is this the same Allie that had a litter last year? http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...ntor-asap.html If so please have her fixed this time.

I'm just wondering if the vet put the pups in with the mom after she woke up from surgery. I'm not a dog breeder but I have experience with animals that have had c-sections. I have taken care of a lot of strays and feral animals and I used to breed purebred cats. Usually once they come around they will start letting the babies nurse. If the vet lets your little girl come home the day after the c-section she may start to nurse them but if they wait too long it may be too late for her to take any interest. She may even dry up and not be able to nurse. If you can get them to nurse a little bit her milk may come in and then she will naturally want to feed those pups. The sooner the better. I hope so for your sake and for the puppies sakes. It is best for them to get the natural protection that they get from the mothers milk.

You have learned a valuable lesson. Breeding any kind of animal is risky business but small breed dogs is asking for double trouble. Any kind of dog or cat make wonderful pets that we can love and enjoy. It's best just to leave the breeding to the real professionals that have the time, knowledge, money and experience to do it the right way. There is so much more to it than letting two dogs mate. Personally, I would rather just reap the rewards of the knowledge and hard work of a good, reputable breeder.

I don't think the vet put them in with mom until after she recovered and up and about. They then tried to get her to nurse them and she wanted no part of it. They didn't want her to hurt herself by struggling to get away so they started bottle feeding the pups and kept her and pups separate. Her milk hasn't come it, you can't get anything from her teats. The vet sent the puppies home with me at 5 am and had me come back for Allie at 8:30. They were born around 2:15, and they spayed her after the c-section.

Had I known more about c-sections, I would have known to ask for a placenta or 2 to take home to make the transition easier.
We are putting the 2 stronger pups to teats to suck and try and get the hormones going.
I can say overall I am not pleased with the emergency vet because they didn't see the "need" for an oxytocin shot after pups were born and also my vet basically told me he didn't think it would do any good at this point. He also strongly suggested I bottle feed and not tube feed because he said pups really need to learn to suck, even after I presented him with several breeders statements that tube feeding was better for several reasons.
I called 4 other vets in my area and none of them would teach me to tube feed and all "strongly discouraged" it. I have emailed a breeder in Dallas to see if she can refer me to her vet or one she may know that will teach me. Right now pups are doing okay, but I'd rather them do better than okay. The 2 smaller ones have a poor latch and it's harder for them to feed on the bottles-we're really having to work with them, and it's a slow process.

It is sad to say but a good knowledgeable and reputable breeder knows about a ton more about breeding than almost any vet you will ever meet. This is another reason why it is best for anyone who is interested in breeding dogs or cats learn by experience with a good reputable breeder that will take them under their wing. Experience is the best teacher.

Don't give up on trying to get her to nurse. Put the pups in with her when you can observe them with her. Tube feeding is the best way to know they are getting the exact amount the puppy needs to have for it's size. Probably the people at the vets offices you called don't really have a great grasp on how to do it anyway.

Do you have a small scale to weigh them on? It is important to keep close track of their weight and try to make sure they get the right amount of formula each feeding.