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Tiskers 07-29-2013 05:49 AM
Opinions on this breeder's comments, please
 
When asking a breeder recently what health testing she does on her dogs, this was her reply:

"The parents have routine tests as did their parents, including heart, lungs, bile acid, hearing, eyes."

I am still info-gathering (don't have my Yorkie yet) and I don't feel like I know enough yet to adequately (intelligently! ;) ) ask for more information. Please help me with further questioning!

What would you recommend I ask next?

THANK YOU!

Lynn

ColesMommy01 07-29-2013 07:10 AM
Some of the questions I would ask is "How many times have you bred this female?(it kind of throws warning signs to me if someone breeds their dog everytime it goes into heat) Is this a pair you've bred before? What does their offspring look like? Is there a history on either sides of the lines for health issues? Can I speak to your vet to confirm everything you've told me? Do you have any references/ any buyers that I could speak with? Can I come by to see where the puppies are raised?" There are tons more questions and I'm sure the members here will provide you with some really good one's I've never thought of:D

Tiskers 07-29-2013 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4283130)
Some of the questions I would ask is "How many times have you bred this female?(it kind of throws warning signs to me if someone breeds their dog everytime it goes into heat) Is this a pair you've bred before? What does their offspring look like? Is there a history on either sides of the lines for health issues? Can I speak to your vet to confirm everything you've told me? Do you have any references/ any buyers that I could speak with? Can I come by to see where the puppies are raised?" There are tons more questions and I'm sure the members here will provide you with some really good one's I've never thought of:D
THANK YOU for the reply, much appreciated! I have some of that info already. She says that the mama is 6 years old and this is her 4th and last litter.
She denies any health issues on either side. I haven't asked for references but that's a great suggestion. I did meet someone who has two of her Yorkies and she gave an outstanding recommendation (and this was how i heard about this breeder.) The breeder has invited and encouraged me to visit but she's a 4+ hour drive away (one way) and I work every day.

Does anyone have any additional questions I should ask specific to health testing? Specific questions regarding which tests have been done, etc? I'm still unsure as to exactly what is available and recommended for the breed.

Thank you!

Tiskers 07-29-2013 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiskers (Post 4283163)

Does anyone have any additional questions I should ask specific to health testing? Specific questions regarding which tests have been done, etc? I'm still unsure as to exactly what is available and recommended for the breed.

Thank you!
So is the general consensus that her information was sufficient?

Thanks!

MauiGirl 07-29-2013 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiskers (Post 4283537)
So is the general consensus that her information was sufficient?

Thanks!
No. If you are truly looking to get a healthy dog from a good breeder, you can get a lot of pointers from this:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ead-first.html

Tiskers 07-29-2013 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MauiGirl (Post 4283548)
No. If you are truly looking to get a healthy dog from a good breeder, you can get a lot of pointers from this:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ead-first.html

Thank you for pointing me to that link; I had read it before, and I just read it again. That post is awesome and very helpful, but the answer to my specific question isn't in it.

MauiGirl 07-29-2013 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiskers (Post 4283554)
Thank you for pointing me to that link; I had read it before, and I just read it again. That post is awesome and very helpful, but the answer to my specific question isn't in it.
You may have read this also, but maybe post #17 has more testing info of interest to you:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...e-breeder.html

Tiskers 07-29-2013 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MauiGirl (Post 4283570)
You may have read this also, but maybe post #17 has more testing info of interest to you:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ead-first.html
MG,
Thank you for the additional reply, I really appreciate your time and help!
That's the same link, though, that you gave me before. Just one post, and the thread is closed. (No #17.) ;) I'd love to read that second recommended thread, though, if you get a chance to re-post. Thank you again! :)

PS Just noticed that you corrected the link while I was typing this! THANK YOU so much. I'm off now to read... ;)

Yorkiemom1 07-29-2013 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4283130)
Some of the questions I would ask is "How many times have you bred this female?(it kind of throws warning signs to me if someone breeds their dog everytime it goes into heat) Is this a pair you've bred before? What does their offspring look like? Is there a history on either sides of the lines for health issues? Can I speak to your vet to confirm everything you've told me? Do you have any references/ any buyers that I could speak with? Can I come by to see where the puppies are raised?" There are tons more questions and I'm sure the members here will provide you with some really good one's I've never thought of:D
MYTH BUSTER!!!: Actually, this is a practice that the majority of reputable reproduction specialists recommend breeders do. If you are keeping your breeding stock in tip top shape, it is evidenced based that breeding every season is better for the female, as it is the battering of the overies by progesterone in a female that is allowed to come in heat and go unbred, that causes so much damage to your females. I do hope the op does not get misled by the belief that breeding every cycle is a wrong thing to do....it is perfectly fine and is better on your females, IF done by responsible, reputable breeders that treat their females like athelets and keep them in tip top shape. Not all breeders opt to do this, but doing so should NOT send up
"red flags".

magicgenie 07-29-2013 03:42 PM
There are many myths and much conflicting information out there. How about you just get to know your breeder well enough to be comfortable with his/her practices. I've been to the lecture that promotes breeding every season and still don't feel it's right for my girls most of the time. Other breeders have different beliefs and comfort levels and that's fine with me.

Ellie May 07-29-2013 03:46 PM
You can always ask for test results.
Some do thyroid and xraying of joints.
To be honest though, I highly doubt there is a yorkie line anywhere totally free of luxating patella. I can't tell you if this breeeder is ok or not based on your oistm but anyone who does bile acids is deserving of some level of trust because very few breeders do it.

ColesMommy01 07-29-2013 04:04 PM
Totally agree with magicgenie making sure your comfy with the breeder is the most important thing! The reason I say I wouldn't want a breeder that breeds a dam at every heat is because I think they deserve a break :D. Can you imagine giving birth twice a year to not just one baby but a litter? Hehehehe but either way you will find oponents/proponents to everything. It just depends on what you prefer since you'll be taking care of the pup for 15 + years, but I think you covered everything with the genetic testing I would just ask to speak with the vet about the breeding pair or ask to see the records where the testing was done

Lovetodream88 07-29-2013 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4283644)
Totally agree with magicgenie making sure your comfy with the breeder is the most important thing! The reason I say I wouldn't want a breeder that breeds a dam at every heat is because I think they deserve a break :D. Can you imagine giving birth twice a year to not just one baby but a litter? Hehehehe but either way you will find oponents/proponents to everything. It just depends on what you prefer since you'll be taking care of the pup for 15 + years, but I think you covered everything with the genetic testing I would just ask to speak with the vet about the breeding pair or ask to see the records where the testing was done
Not breeding every heat though can be harder on there bodies and leave room for a pretty serious infection. As long as you are keeping your breeders in tip top health shape they are ok breeding every heat. Now breeders who do not keep there females in good health and do not take good care of them well they are doing it wrong and it will be harder on there females.

ColesMommy01 07-29-2013 04:36 PM
Everyone's opinion is different. I'm sure there are plenty who advocate breeding every heat just as there are those who don't. It's what you the buyer prefer.

Lovetodream88 07-29-2013 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ColesMommy01 (Post 4283673)
Everyone's opinion is different. I'm sure there are plenty who advocate breeding every heat just as there are those who don't. It's what you the buyer prefer.
I just really think if that is one of the buyers things that they really should look into to see what is actually healthy for the dog and not just go by what they think. I used to think the same thing until I did my researched and talked to some really great reputable breeders.


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