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CouversMom 06-20-2013 11:54 AM
I think at this point, we've all established our opinions. It doesn't really matter what anyone says, teacup will never be an accepted term in the yorkie world.

I liked the comparison someone made of teacups to special needs children. Both are special in their own ways and are not inherently 'bad'. But why purposely breed a dog so small that can be so easily hurt? Even if they are 'healthy', one jump off of the couch could break their legs... Why would you want to do that do a dog?

Breeders should be breeding for healthy dogs. If they happen to have a tiny, that's one thing... But to purposely bring litters of tinies into this world is inhumane imo.

Lovetodream88 06-20-2013 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249950)
Okay well I apologize for saying teacup and starting WWIII i was just saying the opposite of teapot
Sometimes its good because other people who don't know will read these threads and learn

cindersellie 06-20-2013 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4249955)
I posted what I felt about "teacup" dogs' lives and the people that willingly create them. I will never stop trying to warn people on any thread about the subject of the "teacup" Yorkie and per the rules, that is what I did. New readers join everyday and we have visitors who may not know some of the issues I and others posted.
:thumbup::thumbup: Just restate as needed about thread debates. There's quite a few doosies on this site- I personally like the one about the lady who didn't undress in front of her dog. If I find it, I'll bump it again!

yakkwak 06-20-2013 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249935)
I had no problem with you until you wanted to attack my breeder and told me put my money where my mouth is as if I was sitting up lying about my breeder or something but again...not getting into it with you.
xoCourtney- I absolutely agree with you. It was totally unprovoked, uncalled for, aggressive, and unnecessary. It would have been much classier if you had received an apology. The psychological dynamics are fascinating. Hey, guess you know where and where you cannot pose a philosophical question for intellectual discussion without some gutter responses.... Well, you DID receive some pearls of wisdom from this, even if you came away with blade cuts....

capt_noonie 06-20-2013 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4249906)
Many of us have gotten our yorkies from bad breeders/puppy mills so we want to warm other people of the heartbreak that getting a dog from a bad breeder can cause. We also want people to stop buying from bad breeders/puppy mills so they stop making money and have to shut down. We HAVE to be be the voice for those who can not speak.
This exactly. I didn't know better when I got Uni. Turned out she was from a broker. :( Even though she a great dog, she has LP and pancreatits, allergies to who knows what and a very poor sparse coat. For the amount I paid for her, I could have gotten her from a reputable show breeder! So I try to warn others about brokers and millers now.

cindersellie 06-20-2013 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CouversMom (Post 4249956)
I think at this point, we've all established our opinions. It doesn't really matter what anyone says, teacup will never be an accepted term in the yorkie world.

I liked the comparison someone made of teacups to special needs children. Both are special in their own ways and are not inherently 'bad'. But why purposely breed a dog so small that can be so easily hurt? Even if they are 'healthy', one jump off of the couch could break their legs... Why would you want to do that do a dog?

Breeders should be breeding for healthy dogs. If they happen to have a tiny, that's one thing... But to purposely bring litters of tinies into this world is inhumane imo.
Funny part is, at one point, they had to be doing that to get the standard down to what it is today.< just a thought. I agree that any smaller isn't needed to be purposely bred for. More breeders that breed good healthy lines are needed!

capt_noonie 06-20-2013 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249924)
I never said I was but you should really watch how you talk to people because it makes people not want to come here and that's a shame. This website is full of information and for the most part nice people.

And if you're going to continue to be rude to me you really don't have to participate in my thread sweetie :)
If you feel like someone is being rude to you, you can ignore them or report them, but being rude right back to them isn't helpful and you're doing just the same. And again with those sarcastic smiley. This is the third time I've seen you post something sarcastic to chachi on this thread.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4249955)
I posted what I felt about "teacup" dogs' lives and the people that willingly create them. I will never stop trying to warn people on any thread about the subject of the "teacup" Yorkie and per the rules, that is what I did. New readers join everyday and we have visitors who may not know some of the issues I and others posted.
And educating is okay you guys are the reason I didn't buy an unhealthy dog! But belittling those who want smaller dogs is not okay to me.

yorkietalkjilly 06-20-2013 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cindersellie (Post 4249973)
Funny part is, at one point, they had to be doing that to get the standard down to what it is today.< just a thought. I agree that any smaller isn't needed to be purposely bred for. More breeders that breed good healthy lines are needed!
But smaller than 4 lbs. is just a fragile dog. It's time to stop this madness and protect our dogs so they are not so small they get hurt just jumping down from the furniture or off the porch.

CouversMom 06-20-2013 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cindersellie (Post 4249973)
Funny part is, at one point, they had to be doing that to get the standard down to what it is today.< just a thought. I agree that any smaller isn't needed to be purposely bred for. More breeders that breed good healthy lines are needed!
This is true, but at that point, those dogs weren't so small that they were breaking their legs. The tinies (2-4 lbers) are the ones you hear about breaking bones from everyday activities.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by yakkwak (Post 4249969)
xoCourtney- I absolutely agree with you. It was totally unprovoked, uncalled for, aggressive, and unnecessary. It would have been much classier if you had received an apology. The psychological dynamics are fascinating. Hey, guess you know where and where you cannot pose a philosophical question for intellectual discussion without some gutter responses.... Well, you DID receive some pearls of wisdom from this, even if you came away with blade cuts....
Thank you! Yet somehow I'm made out to be the bad guy. Of course I have hard feelings towards chachi now. And I DID try to ignore her but that only works for so long for a 21 year old...but thank you and yes I have been more then educated on both sides of the issue!

capt_noonie 06-20-2013 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by cindersellie (Post 4249939)
Call your state representative. Unless we limit the amount of dogs that can be on a property- BYBs and puppymills will always exist. Be heard by people who make the laws.
That's kind of part of the problem though! If you have over a certain number of dogs (here in my county it's 3) you have to pay a kennel fee for a license, even if you are not breeding. However, once you pay that small fee, there isn't a cap to how many you can have! I'm sure bybs pay the fee and then give the least amount of legal care and no one can do anything about it. A lot of new proposed laws will harm the reputable breeders who follow rules, and not really harm those who don't follow the rules in the first place.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CouversMom (Post 4249981)
This is true, but at that point, those dogs weren't so small that they were breaking their legs. The tinies (2-4 lbers) are the ones you hear about breaking bones from everyday activities.
So 4lbs is considered tiny?

CouversMom 06-20-2013 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249983)
Thank you! Yet somehow I'm made out to be the bad guy. Of course I have hard feelings towards chachi now. And I DID try to ignore her but that only works for so long for a 21 year old...but thank you and yes I have been more then educated on both sides of the issue!
I knew you were young :) Don't worry, after you've been on here for a few more years... You will understand. We have hundreds of new members that join and this teacup discussion comes up a LOT. It gets old, so that is why a few members are a little more harsh with their answers.

yakkwak 06-20-2013 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249983)
Thank you! Yet somehow I'm made out to be the bad guy. Of course I have hard feelings towards chachi now. And I DID try to ignore her but that only works for so long for a 21 year old...but thank you and yes I have been more then educated on both sides of the issue!
Then the kind people who offered you their opinions in a civilized and educative manner have been successful!! You were wondering about something and now you have knowledge. Knowledge is power!!! Yeah!!! Happy dance. To me, this is what makes up the best part of YT!!!!

yorkietalkjilly 06-20-2013 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249978)
And educating is okay you guys are the reason I didn't buy an unhealthy dog! But belittling those who want smaller dogs is not okay to me.
What do you consider "belittling" to the tinies' fans about my posts, Courtney?

CouversMom 06-20-2013 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249987)
So 4lbs is considered tiny?
Yes, I would say any dog under 10 pounds is tiny. But I am talking about purposely breeding for the itty bitties... It's not fair to the dogs.

chachi 06-20-2013 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4249977)
If you feel like someone is being rude to you, you can ignore them or report them, but being rude right back to them isn't helpful and you're doing just the same. And again with those sarcastic smiley. This is the third time I've seen you post something sarcastic to chachi on this thread.
Thank you ive been called gutter and unclassy just because i asked for her breeders website

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CouversMom (Post 4249991)
I knew you were young :) Don't worry, after you've been on here for a few more years... You will understand. We have hundreds of new members that join and this teacup discussion comes up a LOT. It gets old, so that is why a few members are a little more harsh with their answers.
And that's understandable but unless they can be helpful with their answers and respectful why even post on the thread?! I'm the type of person that's ALWAYS has to know why. I don't know why that is my mom said I've been like that since I was little...that's obviously not something that's going to change and that's why I asked my question and started the thread. I didn't understand WHY a new member was being put through a whole investigation for wanting a smaller yorkie.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 4249996)
Thank you ive been called gutter and unclassy just because i asked for her breeders website
You wanted it for wrong reasons and that's why I didn't provide it.

cindersellie 06-20-2013 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4249977)
If you feel like someone is being rude to you, you can ignore them or report them, but being rude right back to them isn't helpful and you're doing just the same. And again with those sarcastic smiley. This is the third time I've seen you post something sarcastic to chachi on this thread.
I agree with diplomacy, but the smile thing?? Can you block the smiles?

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CouversMom (Post 4249995)
Yes, I would say any dog under 10 pounds is tiny. But I am talking about purposely breeding for the itty bitties... It's not fair to the dogs.
Correct and I agree and again I NEVER said go to a breeder who purposely bred tinies and that's what people are missing!

capt_noonie 06-20-2013 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249944)
Okay but this thread isn't about breeders who purposely breed for tinies! That's what everyone seems to be missing.
I get it. This thread is about why can't there be a "teacup" (or whatever) club on YT when there is a much loved Teapot club on YT. Bc there isn't a "teacup" standard so what's the point? That teacup club was supposed to be for support for owners with smaller than average yorkies, and the special needs and requirements they face. Well isn't that just admitting that many of them have issues? And for the ones who don't, then the only difference with them is size. What does size have to do with it then if they are healthy? Nothing. So it's kind of redundant to have a healthy "teacup" yorkie club. The only point would be to declare you have a teacup.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4249994)
What do you consider "belittling" to the tinies' fans about my posts, Courtney?
No you didn't belittle anyone I'm speaking on terms of what I've read recently and in the past from others. Sorry, should've been more clear.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4250002)
I get it. This thread is about why can't there be a "teacup" (or whatever) club on YT when there is a much loved Teapot club on YT. Bc there isn't a "teacup" standard so what's the point? That teacup club was supposed to be for support for owners with smaller than average yorkies, and the special needs and requirements they face. Well isn't that just admitting that many of them have issues? And for the ones who don't, then the only difference with them is size. What does size have to do with it then if they are healthy? Nothing. So it's kind of redundant to have a healthy "teacup" yorkie club. The only point would be to declare you have a teacup.
That also wasn't MY reasons for starting the thread. And again things may get confusing because before this I didn't even know that anything under 7lbs was standard I always thought it was 5-7lbs.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4249977)
If you feel like someone is being rude to you, you can ignore them or report them, but being rude right back to them isn't helpful and you're doing just the same. And again with those sarcastic smiley. This is the third time I've seen you post something sarcastic to chachi on this thread.
You might have a point but I could easily say you read my thread wrong and that I wasn't being sarcastic just like others said when I stated how I felt about chachi's posts.

cindersellie 06-20-2013 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4249985)
That's kind of part of the problem though! If you have over a certain number of dogs (here in my county it's 3) you have to pay a kennel fee for a license, even if you are not breeding. However, once you pay that small fee, there isn't a cap to how many you can have! I'm sure bybs pay the fee and then give the least amount of legal care and no one can do anything about it. A lot of new proposed laws will harm the reputable breeders who follow rules, and not really harm those who don't follow the rules in the first place.
making the representatives aware that people want a change it a step in the right direction. The only way they know people don't want these BYB's and puppy mills to exist is by calling them and discussing it. Or write an email. There's power in the number of concerned people when they tell the rep. about a certain subject.

If they limit the dogs, I would suggest no loop holes. I think a limit of 6 would be more than enough. In ohio we get people that have 20+ dogs, uncared for- and not just a few, but many. They're on the news sometimes once a week for a month. It's sad to see.

chachi 06-20-2013 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4249999)
You wanted it for wrong reasons and that's why I didn't provide it.
you dont know my reasons but i was honestly just curious

capt_noonie 06-20-2013 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 4249996)
Thank you ive been called gutter and unclassy just because i asked for her breeders website
Gutter? Someone called you that? That is totally unacceptable.

xoCourtney 06-20-2013 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 4250011)
you dont know my reasons but i was honestly just curious
Well I apologize for accusing you but I still, in my heart, believe you were ready to tare apart my breeder.


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