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luvlee 06-04-2013 10:35 AM

You're correct - but now you have 4 dogs that you intended to breed? What will you do? Best bet is to get your money back from the "breeder." Then, I'd suggest, if your interest is breeding that you learn the trade, or rather 'art', of breeding true Yorkshire Terriers from a competent mentor. My breeder told me about how he got started in the trade. He left my state and worked with another very reputable breeder for many many years before he began to do it. He attended shows around the world and showed yorkies. You have to understand genetics & science - not just what colors you expect when you tie 2 dogs together. Good luck. Tracey

capt_noonie 06-04-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom71 (Post 4234248)
I don't think the breeder done this herself, I believe her, she bought these yorkies and they are not pure breed, she paid thousands of dollars for mutts,
now she is breeding them anyway, to make money.

Even though she got scam, she is just as bad as the breeders that brought the mix breed in the line to get the color, she is breeding these dogs anyway.
one of the dogs I got of her a gold male did not even grow enough fur on his head to put a buckle in it, she admitted to me he was not a pure breed, and did after a long battle replaced him with a chocolate male yorkie, the chocolate guy's fur on his back never grew long, the breeder said his lines were pure and he just had a bad coat, I believe her, I actually thought he was a red leg yorkie, but then I did breed him and kept back a female and had her test came back mom is a full yorkie and dad one of his parents was a full mix breed and one of his parents a full yorkie.

And then you bred him anyway?!

capt_noonie 06-04-2013 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom71 (Post 4234656)
I got 6 yorkies from this breeder, 2 of the yorkies have mixed in them that I know, and they have been placed in pet homes.

The other 4 yorkies I got from this breeder, look like yorkies have the long hair, but they shed fur, because of the problem I had with 2 mixed yorkies I have already got from this breeder, and where the other yorkies are shedding so much, I think these are impure too, I will be mar's testing these dogs too. and if they come back with mix breed in them too, I will do what ever I need to do to get these lines pulled from AKC.

I also live in Canada and The Canadian Kennel Club is very strict, much more stricter then AKC, I will be contacting Canadian Kennel Club and hope they will work with me to do what ever I need to do, to stop breeders from breeding these impure lines and selling them for the biggest kind of money to innocent people who think they are buying a purebred yorkie.


Also you know what the breeder told me after I dna tested and had 75% yorkie and 25% mix breed, she said I can breed this dog to another yorkie and see what kind of pups she produces. She said the breeders that have these lines, if they have a dog that looks yorkie breed forward.

I am sorry NO WAY, I truly believe in pure breed dogs, I am not going to breed a mix and call it a full yorkie just because it is AKC Registered.

Breeders are spending all this money on Registered colored yorkies and then they find out that there is mix in them, Most people get the dog ship to them and don't live in the same state/country. It will cost so much money to get a lawyer to sue, so these breeders are all doing the same thing, (it you can't beat them, then join them)

Seriously, if you can't beat them join them? Just take her to small claims court! You don't need to hire a lawyer that way. You know these dogs aren't pure, place them in pet homes and start over with a GOOD breeder, not a greeder!

gemy 06-04-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom71 (Post 4234291)
So do you think that there could be a chance that this dog is still pure breed if the mar's test is coming back as one of the parents is completely mix breed?

The test that I did was wisdom panel pure breed dog, I believe the test, the dog never grew long fur and the dog also shed fur like a mix breed.

Umm well I think the answer is NO.

If a parent of any mating is a mixed breed then any progeny of said parent is NOT purebred.

Sad but true.

Alright I will say this now. I certainly hope that you will re-think breeding for off colors, and learn to breed to the YT Standard as set out by the YTCA... www.ytca.org

gemy 06-04-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom71 (Post 4234656)
I got 6 yorkies from this breeder, 2 of the yorkies have mixed in them that I know, and they have been placed in pet homes.

The other 4 yorkies I got from this breeder, look like yorkies have the long hair, but they shed fur, because of the problem I had with 2 mixed yorkies I have already got from this breeder, and where the other yorkies are shedding so much, I think these are impure too, I will be mar's testing these dogs too. and if they come back with mix breed in them too, I will do what ever I need to do to get these lines pulled from AKC.

I also live in Canada and The Canadian Kennel Club is very strict, much more stricter then AKC, I will be contacting Canadian Kennel Club and hope they will work with me to do what ever I need to do, to stop breeders from breeding these impure lines and selling them for the biggest kind of money to innocent people who think they are buying a purebred yorkie.


Also you know what the breeder told me after I dna tested and had 75% yorkie and 25% mix breed, she said I can breed this dog to another yorkie and see what kind of pups she produces. She said the breeders that have these lines, if they have a dog that looks yorkie breed forward.

I am sorry NO WAY, I truly believe in pure breed dogs, I am not going to breed a mix and call it a full yorkie just because it is AKC Registered.

Breeders are spending all this money on Registered colored yorkies and then they find out that there is mix in them, Most people get the dog ship to them and don't live in the same state/country. It will cost so much money to get a lawyer to sue, so these breeders are all doing the same thing, (it you can't beat them, then join them)

You contact CKC and please contact our National Club in Canada. CYTA most especially if this "breeder is a member of our club".

yorkiemom71 06-04-2013 11:11 AM

I plan on getting these other 4 dogs tested and if they have mix breed in them, I will place these babies in pet homes as yorkie mix (with out papers), they are nice dogs regardless of their dna.

I don't think I will continue breeding yorkie's, its been a nightmare, since I started getting yorkies from this breeder, I think there is to many un-pure lines out there in yorkies to take a chance on buying more. its been a learning experience, that's for sure and not a happy one.

yorkiemom71 06-04-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4234706)
Seriously, if you can't beat them join them? Just take her to small claims court! You don't need to hire a lawyer that way. You know these dogs aren't pure, place them in pet homes and start over with a GOOD breeder, not a greeder!

I don't mean I am going to Join them, I meant other breeders, I want to put a stop to this.

pstinard 06-04-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom71 (Post 4234759)
I don't mean I am going to Join them, I meant other breeders, I want to put a stop to this.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

yorkiemom71 06-04-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4234691)
And then you bred him anyway?!

Yes I did breed him, I trusted the Breeder's word "That he was a pure bred yorkie" I really thought he was a red leg yorkie, I research the red leg yorkie and it said that they can improve the coat in some lines of yorkies, so I actually thought it was fine to breed him. Maybe it was a mistake to breed him on my part but his puppies went to most of my family and are in loving pet homes and will never be bred, the puppies are healthy dogs just not pure breed yorkie.

yorkiemom71 06-04-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4234722)
You contact CKC and please contact our National Club in Canada. CYTA most especially if this "breeder is a member of our club".


Thanks I will contact them.

capt_noonie 06-04-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom71 (Post 4234774)
Yes I did breed him, I trusted the Breeder's word "That he was a pure bred yorkie" I really thought he was a red leg yorkie, I research the red leg yorkie and it said that they can improve the coat in some lines of yorkies, so I actually thought it was fine to breed him. Maybe it was a mistake to breed him on my part but his puppies went to most of my family and are in loving pet homes and will never be bred, the puppies are healthy dogs just not pure breed yorkie.

Even if a pup IS pure yorkie, but a poor representation, it shouldn't be bred. This is why we have so many yorkies that don't look like yorkies. And now it's become so bad that many people think yorkies are supposed to have short muzzles, short legs, and have black and tan coats when matured. However, for you next post...

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom71 (Post 4234759)
I don't mean I am going to Join them, I meant other breeders, I want to put a stop to this.

I am very glad to hear you want to help put a stop to people like this. Please, I urge you to contact the Canadian Kennel Club and report this breeder. I would also contact the AKC, even though you are in Canada, you said these dogs were AKC registered correct?

yorkiemom71 06-04-2013 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4235157)
Even if a pup IS pure yorkie, but a poor representation, it shouldn't be bred. This is why we have so many yorkies that don't look like yorkies. And now it's become so bad that many people think yorkies are supposed to have short muzzles, short legs, and have black and tan coats when matured. However, for you next post...


I am very glad to hear you want to help put a stop to people like this. Please, I urge you to contact the Canadian Kennel Club and report this breeder. I would also contact the AKC, even though you are in Canada, you said these dogs were AKC registered correct?


I bought these dogs in The U.S, AKC registered and had them imported into Canada, And then Registered them with the Canadian Kennel Club, she they are dual registered. The lines came from the U.s as there is not many chocolate and gold colored yorkies here in Canada.

yorkiemom71 06-05-2013 03:44 AM

If reputable Yorkshire Terrier breeders complain too, if would help, please I am asking everyone to help and stop this impure breeding of the Yorkshire Terrier breed, even if AKC, stopped reproduction of these dogs for being a poor representation, they don't need to pull the papers of these dogs just stop the breeding of these dogs.

You guys can help by just complaining to AKC and YTCA that these dogs are poor, poor representation of the breed and should not be reproducing. Lets put a end to this once and for all, this impure breeding needs to stop.

AKC as several cases of these impure dogs and pictures that prove they don't look pure and mar's test that prove they are not pure and they still do nothing and let these dogs reproduce. AKC operates by the breeders that register the puppies with AKC, I really think if we can get enough breeders complaining about this, we can stop this. Please help by complaining.

Marhcarter 06-05-2013 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom71 (Post 4235538)
If reputable Yorkshire Terrier breeders complain too, if would help, please I am asking everyone to help and stop this impure breeding of the Yorkshire Terrier breed, even if AKC, stopped reproduction of these dogs for being a poor representation, they don't need to pull the papers of these dogs just stop the breeding of these dogs.

You guys can help by just complaining to AKC and YTCA that these dogs are poor, poor representation of the breed and should not be reproducing. Lets put a end to this once and for all, this impure breeding needs to stop.

AKC as several cases of these impure dogs and pictures that prove they don't look pure and mar's test that prove they are not pure and they still do nothing and let these dogs reproduce. AKC operates by the breeders that register the puppies with AKC, I really think if we can get enough breeders complaining about this, we can stop this. Please help by complaining.

I am fairly new to this site (6 months) and knew nothing prior to joining YT, but from what I have learned since joining, it sounds like you are spot on with trying to keep the breed pure and good representations of the breed, and I would like to say GOOD FOR YOU! I agree with gemy. If you decide to keep breeding, stick with the standard yorkie colors and improving or carrying on of the breed standard characteristics. Keep up the good work and the education of others. I'm sorry you got duped, but you sound like you are doing the right thing about it. Good luck with the battle, and I am interested to hear how it all turns out.:D

Lorraine 06-05-2013 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiemom71 (Post 4234728)
I plan on getting these other 4 dogs tested and if they have mix breed in them, I will place these babies in pet homes as yorkie mix (with out papers), they are nice dogs regardless of their dna.

I don't think I will continue breeding yorkie's, its been a nightmare, since I started getting yorkies from this breeder, I think there is to many un-pure lines out there in yorkies to take a chance on buying more. its been a learning experience, that's for sure and not a happy one.

You have dealt with the wrong breeder that is for sure. A reputable breeder never deals with or gets dogs from a breeder unless they know them very well and know the breeder they are dealing with does not ever get into mixing breeds adn their registration paperwork is bona fide.
The Canadian Kennel Club is very clear about rules and registration, breeding etc.
However, in Canada, a breeder can pay a fee to join CKC and you are agreeing to sign a Code of Ethics etc. But one can be a breeder here, register their dogs with CKC, show their dogs if they want to but they do not have to be a member. Might be something you want to check out, have they indeed agreed to the terms to be a member. Having said that you still have to carefully check out your breeder even who is a member of CKC as they could be up to not quite ethical but haven't been caught yet.
Then there is breed clubs and/or all breed clubs. They have Codes of Ethics etc but again someone can be a member but hasn't been caught yet as to wrong doings. Complain to CKC though and they do check things out.
If you are wanting to buy from a breeder that is breeding for wrong colour, you are not dealing with someone who truly understands the concept of the purebred dog and its breed standard as published and accepted by the bona fide registry bodies such as AKC or Canadian Kennel Club.


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