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msyorktown 05-15-2013 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Verbena (Post 4214735)
I am now officially sick

That now makes two of us.....Blech!

emii26 05-15-2013 01:31 PM

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This is so incredibly sad. I spent months upon months searching for a breeder before I settled with one. I came across this site as well as a hundred more just like it. It breaks my heart thinking about what these poor little babies have to endure.

randi88 05-15-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by msyorktown (Post 4214765)
That now makes two of us.....Blech!

make that 3 :mad::(:thumbdown

Nancy1999 05-15-2013 03:51 PM

Let's not give up, maybe we can educate the buyer on why breeding this dog is not a good idea. When I bought Joey, I was sort of thinking of breeding him, since he was such a cutie pie, I was very ignorant about breeding and all of the problems associated with it. You guys taught me and I'm an OLD dog!

randi88 05-15-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4214893)
Let's not give up, maybe we can educate the buyer on why breeding this dog is not a good idea. When I bought Joey, I was sort of thinking of breeding him, since he was such a cutie pie, I was very ignorant about breeding and all of the problems associated with it. You guys taught me and I'm an OLD dog!

:thumbup: very true! I considered the same about rudi when i knew no better.

TxVicki 05-15-2013 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4214893)
Let's not give up, maybe we can educate the buyer on why breeding this dog is not a good idea. When I bought Joey, I was sort of thinking of breeding him, since he was such a cutie pie, I was very ignorant about breeding and all of the problems associated with it. You guys taught me and I'm an OLD dog!

Are you saying that the OP who is going to buy this Yorkie wants to breed her??? OMG !!

CouversMom 05-15-2013 04:11 PM

The cycle continues... very sad :(

nanahas3 05-15-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EmmaSophia (Post 4213413)
I'd like to make a couple of points, then I'm done with this thread. The decision on my part has been made mostly because the points most people are making on this thread are just not true.

1. She's not running a puppy mill. The dogs she owns live with her in her house. They are spoiled rotten. They are groomed regularly, fed top of the line food and are loved by her and her family. These are pets, not caged animals. I've seen it. I've been there. Do these dogs in the pictures look like they live in a cages? I've seen it first hand, they live on a couch or doggy bed and have free run of her house. Also, she doesn't have all these dogs at her house. Some of them are owned by family of hers or close personal friends.
2. She offers a year money back guarantee for any reason and stipulates right of first refusal, meaning if I decide to get rid of the dog, she gets first choice at taking her back.
3. She spends hundreds of dollars per month getting her dogs groomed.

The truth is always somewhere in the middle but many of you are "doomsdayers" and think this is like Vietcong prisoner of war conditions. It's not. It's probably better you not go off on people until you know the truth. I appreciate those of you who say keep an eye out for "these red flags" and say what to look for and not look for in a breeder.

Trust me, I've done months of research looking for the right dog. There's no way in hell I would buy a dog from a puppy mill or prisoner of war camp. I chose this breeder because I felt she truly bred dogs based on health of the parents and love for the dog. I got the feeling from other people selling dogs locally that they'd had a litter of dogs so they could make a few bucks. These were what I call "hobby" breeders or people that have a litter occasionally from the same two dogs because they think it's fun and could use the money. This particular lady doesn't really need the money but she does enjoy the breed, her dogs and helping other people. That's my sense. I'm done.

I am a little confused by some of your replies. You asked us what we thought and then gave her website. But then you say that she is reputable even though there have been many red flags raised. How can you say her pups are spoiled rotten when she has tiny little 3lb and under females running around going to give birth? These are not mice we are talking about or even her pigs these are yorkies and many people with multiple years of experience breeding them have warned and warned how bad it is to breed these tinies. She says in her reply that she is not breeding runts but true tiny dogs. Ok where does she think that tiny came from to begin with? I am so saddened that a seasoned Yter would come here and condone this practice. It is almost like a purposeful endorsement of this and I say it lightly "breeder".

Nancy1999 05-15-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TxVicki (Post 4214908)
Are you saying that the OP who is going to buy this Yorkie wants to breed her??? OMG !!

Yes, that's what it says on the website, see my post 87 and I give a screen capture of the page where she is listed. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/att...end-image1.jpg It says she will be going to live with Sophia and Emma and that Sidney will be a perfect breeder.

msyorktown 05-15-2013 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4214893)
Let's not give up, maybe we can educate the buyer on why breeding this dog is not a good idea. When I bought Joey, I was sort of thinking of breeding him, since he was such a cutie pie, I was very ignorant about breeding and all of the problems associated with it. You guys taught me and I'm an OLD dog!

I too thought the same thing when I got Raelle, and to make matters even worse, the byb I got her from encouraged me to breed her!!! :eek: Told me I could make some money....I actually considered it. This site taught me and taught me well....nope, no not gonna happen, not with my baby...she was promptly spayed. This site turned my ignorance into knowledge!! I applaud YT for educating me as well as many others on the dangers of breeding irresponsibly, maybe we can do the same for this person.

KimInMD 05-15-2013 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 4214951)
I am so saddened that a seasoned Yter would come here and condone this practice. It is almost like a purposeful endorsement of this and I say it lightly "breeder".

It's more than purposeful endorsement, it's simple math. The OP can buy a tiny AKC pup for $2,000. She can then turn around and breed the girl and sell each tiny for $2,000. If you look at the breeder's website, her parti carrier pups go for $4,500. The OP will be getting a parti carrier. The OP can double her money on the very first pup. It's wrong to assume that the OP hasn't done her homework in choosing a breeder to buy her puppy from. Quite the contrary, she has done her homework thoroughly. Big dollar signs have a way of clouding your vision, and leave you checking your scruples at the door. Promises of easy money can cause people to justify just about anything. That's nothing new. I read an old story in a great book about a guy named Judas who had the same issues. What a monster greed can be.

Yorkiemom1 05-16-2013 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4214135)

This is the owner operator of tinypartiyorkies.com and various other.com puppies and pigs...too many to list tonight.

Julie Larsen and Wayne Larsen

(801) 857-1451
(801) 717-0201
(801) 822-3891

7312 N Highway 91
Mona, UT 84645-5600

Okay folks heres what we have puppy broker/miller, all the dogs are not on her property. Google each phone number and you will see that she sells, many many many many many DIFFERENT breeds of dogs all over the internet, including next day pets etc. She also has just as many email addresses as phone numbers.

I did not include the phone number for the piggies cuz its just weird. A

I want a little piggie Lynzy!!!

MomtoJasper 05-16-2013 05:11 AM

Ive been reading this thread and a couple of others that were.....intense. :) When I bought Jasper I was so ignorant and had NO idea what I was doing. Now I'm wondering if I bought him from a byb. There were kennels behind the house and while the pups and another female were inside, the parents were not. They live waaaaay out in the boonies. Not that that matters. My point is, if I had been on YT for many years, those alone would have been flags to me. And, as hard as it would have been to walk away from a pup I had just held, I would have. Oh and I looked at the site again last night. Jasper's sister is still for sale. She keeps dropping the price.

OP,I'm new here and aren't even close to being as knowledgeable as you are. I believe you know in your heart what the right and wrong thing to do is. You are a grown woman. I'm not lecturing and definitely not trying to over step my bounds. I'm just asking you to think about everything you've learnt over the years. If you still decide to buy this pup I certainly hope she will have a long and healthy life. I also know you will still have the support here you've always had. Good luck to you and that sweet little girl.

lillymae 05-16-2013 10:05 AM

I'm still waiting for the Breeder to answer my questions & am betting she will not answer them. OP Please do some research on the condition I mentioned as I guarantee this breeder is breeding dogs with this condition & it is both hereditary & congenital. Believe me when I tell you that this is NOT a condition that you want in your puppy & I speak from personal experience.

MyGirlSasha 05-16-2013 10:55 AM

I just have to say that when I originally posted I felt sorry for OP, I figured she honestly didn't know what she was getting herself into and that she was unknowingly supporting something so terrible. Now however, unless she's a total ignoramus, she definitely knows what this "breeder" is all about. She just doesn't seem to care. :( *sigh*. So anyway, I no longer feel sorry for her. I still feel bad for the little puppies and dogs and even piggies involved in this though.

lynzy420 05-16-2013 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4215296)
I want a little piggie Lynzy!!!


Lmao, "when pigs fly"!!!!!

lynzy420 05-16-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KimInMD (Post 4215193)
It's more than purposeful endorsement, it's simple math. The OP can buy a tiny AKC pup for $2,000. She can then turn around and breed the girl and sell each tiny for $2,000. If you look at the breeder's website, her parti carrier pups go for $4,500. The OP will be getting a parti carrier. The OP can double her money on the very first pup. It's wrong to assume that the OP hasn't done her homework in choosing a breeder to buy her puppy from. Quite the contrary, she has done her homework thoroughly. Big dollar signs have a way of clouding your vision, and leave you checking your scruples at the door. Promises of easy money can cause people to justify just about anything. That's nothing new. I read an old story in a great book about a guy named Judas who had the same issues. What a monster greed can be.

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kimberlyn 05-16-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KimInMD (Post 4215193)
It's more than purposeful endorsement, it's simple math. The OP can buy a tiny AKC pup for $2,000. She can then turn around and breed the girl and sell each tiny for $2,000. If you look at the breeder's website, her parti carrier pups go for $4,500. The OP will be getting a parti carrier. The OP can double her money on the very first pup. It's wrong to assume that the OP hasn't done her homework in choosing a breeder to buy her puppy from. Quite the contrary, she has done her homework thoroughly. Big dollar signs have a way of clouding your vision, and leave you checking your scruples at the door. Promises of easy money can cause people to justify just about anything. That's nothing new. I read an old story in a great book about a guy named Judas who had the same issues. What a monster greed can be.

You should be ashamed of yourselves! I believe I've read that same great book and it has some pretty specific things to say about judging and gossiping, which is all anyone seems to do on this site. I see the OP has been a member for years and you automatically assume that she's a mustache twirling villain after she willingly and proudly gave you the site of a breeder she thought was good (If she'd known you wouldn't approve, she wouldn't have done it.) She never even hinted at wanting to breed the pup, you just jumped to conclusions to have something else to say "How horrible!" at. Think about it for a second before you hasten to reply. Look again. The site says she'd make a good breeder. Not that her buyer was intending to breed.

I don't expect any of you to have a change of heart, but I couldn't sit here and watch you just go on and on without saying something.

Lovetodream88 05-16-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kimberlyn (Post 4215903)
You should be ashamed of yourselves! I believe I've read that same great book and it has some pretty specific things to say about judging and gossiping, which is all anyone seems to do on this site. I see the OP has been a member for years and you automatically assume that she's a mustache twirling villain after she willingly and proudly gave you the site of a breeder she thought was good (If she'd known you wouldn't approve, she wouldn't have done it.) She never even hinted at wanting to breed the pup, you just jumped to conclusions to have something else to say "How horrible!" at. Think about it for a second before you hasten to reply. Look again. The site says she'd make a good breeder. Not that her buyer was intending to breed.

I don't expect any of you to have a change of heart, but I couldn't sit here and watch you just go on and on without saying something.

You know your judging us too right?

pstinard 05-16-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kimberlyn (Post 4215903)
You should be ashamed of yourselves! I believe I've read that same great book and it has some pretty specific things to say about judging and gossiping, which is all anyone seems to do on this site. I see the OP has been a member for years and you automatically assume that she's a mustache twirling villain after she willingly and proudly gave you the site of a breeder she thought was good (If she'd known you wouldn't approve, she wouldn't have done it.) She never even hinted at wanting to breed the pup, you just jumped to conclusions to have something else to say "How horrible!" at. Think about it for a second before you hasten to reply. Look again. The site says she'd make a good breeder. Not that her buyer was intending to breed.

I don't expect any of you to have a change of heart, but I couldn't sit here and watch you just go on and on without saying something.

I think that the jury is out on the OP's motives--whether or not she is in cahoots with the breeder to hawk overpriced sickly dogs. But it is indisputable that the breeder is dishonest and disreputable, and is indeed hawking overpriced, sickly dogs. These facts are based on both the past history of this breeder, as well as good detective work by yorkietalk members. If the OP is sincerely intent on buying one of these overpriced, sickly dogs, she is going into it forewarned, and we will be here to offer advice and moral support, as well as prayers that things aren't going so horribly as we fear they may.

lovespandp 05-16-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kimberlyn (Post 4215903)
You should be ashamed of yourselves! I believe I've read that same great book and it has some pretty specific things to say about judging and gossiping, which is all anyone seems to do on this site. I see the OP has been a member for years and you automatically assume that she's a mustache twirling villain after she willingly and proudly gave you the site of a breeder she thought was good (If she'd known you wouldn't approve, she wouldn't have done it.) She never even hinted at wanting to breed the pup, you just jumped to conclusions to have something else to say "How horrible!" at. Think about it for a second before you hasten to reply. Look again. The site says she'd make a good breeder. Not that her buyer was intending to breed.

I don't expect any of you to have a change of heart, but I couldn't sit here and watch you just go on and on without saying something.


LOL We should be ashamed of ourselves??? What about the poor yorkies this lady is breeding??? Also we didn't jump to anything ALL SIGNS ARE THERE!

pstinard 05-16-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4215967)
LOL We should be ashamed of ourselves??? What about the poor yorkies this lady is breeding??? Also we didn't jump to anything ALL SIGNS ARE THERE!

When I took a look at all of the photos of those tiny puppies with sad eyes, some of them small enough to fit in coffee mugs, and read their descriptions, especially the one that is advertised as being a candidate for the smallest dog in the world, all I could feel is sad and depressed.

This is a little off topic, but could someone explain why the puppies have two prices depending on whether they will be used as pets or breeding stock?

chachi 05-16-2013 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4215974)
When I took a look at all of the photos of those tiny puppies with sad eyes, some of them small enough to fit in coffee mugs, and read their descriptions, especially the one that is advertised as being a candidate for the smallest dog in the world, all I could feel is sad and depressed.

This is a little off topic, but could someone explain why the puppies have two prices depending on whether they will be used as pets or breeding stock?

With reputable breeders the reason why you pay more for A breeding dog is because you are buying in their lines and their hard work establishing those lines. With this breeder it is just most likely to get more money

KathyKelben 05-16-2013 02:49 PM

I feel sick about this. OP obviously doesn't care what anyone thinks, or at least she isn't saying so. At the very least I hope tons of people have read these pages and will learn something, OP hasn't!!

pstinard 05-16-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 4215977)
With reputable breeders the reason why you pay more for A breeding dog is because you are buying in their lines and their hard work establishing those lines. With this breeder it is just most likely to get more money

I figured it must be something like that. I'm sure that the breeder has absolutely no idea about how well these puppies will perform as breeding stock and just wants to charge an extra $500 to fill out the AKC form...

Yorkiedaze 05-16-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kimberlyn (Post 4215918)
I'm standing up for the poor OP that was smart enough to leave this disgusting thread, and trying to talk some sense into you all which is called holding others accountable. Both are endorsed in the Bible.

I think adults here can do their own "standing-up" without anyone jumping in just to stir the pot. That's exactly why things heat up.

EmmaSophia 05-16-2013 03:03 PM

I said I was done with this thread and I am but had to at least defend myself because in a few days this thread will have convicted me of murder, pedophilia and who knows what else the way you all keep growing and growing these stories and make more and more assumptions about everyone.

Whatever dog I get will not be bred. Period. I don't need the money nor do I want to deal with whatever headaches come from a pregnant dog. I've never had a pregnant dog, I've never bred a dog, I've only ever owned (in my adult life) one other dog.

Honestly, I think 90% of you are crazy. I don't anticipate coming back here ever. You're unkind and down right mean. There are tactful ways of warning people and expressing concerns but most of you have no clue what tact is or how to use it.

I can't wait to see what assumptions about me are drawn based on this post. This is now comedic.

lovespandp 05-16-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kimberlyn (Post 4215918)
I'm standing up for the poor OP that was smart enough to leave this disgusting thread, and trying to talk some sense into you all which is called holding others accountable. Both are endorsed in the Bible.

Yes the “poor” Op that is supporting BYB’s. You are right this is a disgusting thread! It is disgusting what some people will do to make a buck, how they treat these poor dogs that they breed over and over!

Sorry WE are standing up for the dogs!

P.S Bible talk is not allowed.

kimberlyn 05-16-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KathyKelben (Post 4215992)
I feel sick about this. OP obviously doesn't care what anyone thinks, or at least she isn't saying so. At the very least I hope tons of people have read these pages and will learn something, OP hasn't!!

Did you even read the posts? She was very gracious and open to opinions until people started being rude and hateful. Then they did the only sensible thing and left the thread because there's no talking to you people. It's like beating your head against a rock. If people had been kinder maybe she would have changed her mind about buying from this breeder (or maybe they already have. Why would they tell us?) You're not going to consider this (lets see how many times the word "greeder" can be used!), but maybe you guys could have even changed the breeders mind about breeding too tiny dogs. Instead you attacked them both and drove them off.

kimberlyn 05-16-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EmmaSophia (Post 4216008)
I said I was done with this thread and I am but had to at least defend myself because in a few days this thread will have convicted me of murder, pedophilia and who knows what else the way you all keep growing and growing these stories and make more and more assumptions about everyone.

Whatever dog I get will not be bred. Period. I don't need the money nor do I want to deal with whatever headaches come from a pregnant dog. I've never had a pregnant dog, I've never bred a dog, I've only ever owned (in my adult life) one other dog.

Honestly, I think 90% of you are crazy. I don't anticipate coming back here ever. You're unkind and down right mean. There are tactful ways of warning people and expressing concerns but most of you have no clue what tact is or how to use it.

I can't wait to see what assumptions about me are drawn based on this post. This is now comedic.

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