Yorkie or Havanese
 

Hi everyone! I am new here and considering getting a yorkie or a havanese. I live in nyc in a condo and want a small dog and would like it if my dog is not a yapper. I want a lapdog on the mellower side. I want to train it on a pee pad as well as go on daily walks for exercise. I have met yorkies that are super loving and quiet and some the opposite. The havanese seem the same as well. I posted on the havanese site and they all said to go with the havanese so I thought I would ask the same here. Can anyone share your thoughts?

A Yorkie Of Course !!! :D

Both are very cute, there are some fact to consider. Pro's and Con's so do your research and make an informed decision.

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oh ... I will say YORKIE... they are the most loving and sweet little guys!
They do need compainship so you could get a havanese playmate for your new yorkie:)

I say get a Great Dane just kidding:) I am a tad bit bias but I adore Georgie beyond words. My husband and I were just talking tonight about how he isn't a dog he is truly our child with extra fur:) So my vote goes for a Yorkie:)

Yorkies are a lot smarter then people give them credit for. Either way please make sure you buy from a good breeder and not a puppy mill or a byb. If your interested in Yorkies besides rescues the best place to look is The Yorkshire terrier club of America there website is ytca.org.

LOL of course a yorkie, after all this is a yorkie web site:D and also a Havanese can be a bit on the big side to go on papers, I have seen many in the 15# plus range. If you go on Facebook, check out Cuba's page, LOL he is one of the best known dogs in NYC, his dad runs the FB page Pawvogue, and helps organize tons of NYC pet events, radio shows etc. Connect with him and you will find out about all the cool NYC pet events and there are plenty, so LOL get a girl so you can dress her up when you hit the town


https://www.facebook.com/Cuba.TheNYCHavanese

also no kidding aside, females are easier than males when it comes to pee pads, my last male was good and used the papers but he peed like 3 x's what Lola does and he would dribble a bit each time he went, in fact we had a thread about boys dripping a while back. but boys are loveable, so I am not a boy hater

It's great that you are researching breeds to get the perfect companion.

I would not recommend a Yorkie to a person who wants a quiet lap dog. The only way I would get a Yorkie in that case is to adopt an adult to be assured of the personality that suits your lifestyle.

Most Yorkies are active dogs. As one renowned exhibitor wrote in The Complete Yorkshire Terrier, they are lap dogs until they see something they are interested in, and then they are off like a shot.

My boys love lap time and cuddling, but they need lots of exercise daily.

Oh I am so glad you told me this dribble problem. I'm sure not all boys do it but my main concern was that they would lift their leg and I just don't want to deal with training him not to do that. I think this info is helpful at least with getting a boy or a girl!

This completely! I'm actually surprised so many are recommending a Yorkie. They DO tend to my 'yappy'. My boy has the most high pitch bark that is very annoying and he tends to like to alert me to any unusual noise.

Most Yorkies I meet are active, they are terriers after all, and I don't consider most to be 'lap dogs'. Even my friends yorkie, who is very mellow and doesn't require much in terms of activity and would easily lay around on the couch all day, will be the first to fly off the couch barking and yapping at any activity going on outside.

Of course, you will find yorkies that fit your requirements, but the breed as a whole would not be what I'd recommend for what you want.

Havanese would be a far better choice IMO. They also tend to be better with children, strangers, etc. And while they can be a very active breed as well, they tend to be more capable of chilling on your lap for days if necessary. If you are looking for something a bit smaller than the Havanese, look into Chihuahua's as well.

Obviously a yorkie! They are the best!

I have a yorkie and my BF a havenese. heres my two cents

yorkies are smaller and can be pee pad trained
havanese would be difficult to indoor train but not impossible

my yorkie I picked because she was 'so mellow" according to the show breeder who said she was to timid to be a show dog was full of rubbish. As soon as this dog realized she got tons of love and affection and good food she became a barking, crazy, run around nut (not in a bad way, just totally different than the 1 year old we picked up)
havanese are just more mellow..my friends dog roams the house freely..and she easily outdoor trained.. my yorkie is and cannot..although many on here have free roam of the house. I have younger children who leave things on the floor so I worry. Not to say it wouldnt be any different with a havenese/
yorkies are very loving and want alot of attention..havanese, not so much..
so its seems as though you want a little of both..lol
we love our girl, she is great. if you are looking for a mellow dog I dont think yorkies are it unless you get an older one..they are both great dogs..cant go wrong..

Sorry definitely didn't read the part where you want a mellow non yapper lol. I just say Yorkie because well they are amazing:) Georgie is mellow and only yaps when he feels the need. My nieces Yorkie is very mellow and doesn't Yap a lot either. They are not all like that though.

A lot of it depends on the individual dogs temperament. My 6 year old Yorkie is a rescue and she never barks. She only barks at the door bell on the tv! She is very mellow. My other Yorkie who is 5 months hasn't been too bad but she is still young. She barks at stuff that makes sense, like loud noises, thunder, playing...and even the ironing board :rolleyes:. But I consider my 5 month Yorkie to be pretty mellow and a great lapdog.

Now my sister has 2 havanese dogs. They are very yappy! The girl has a lot of anxiety and is constantly on the run barking at anything and everything. She also pees everywhere even though she's 2 years. She is good with kids though and a good lapdog. The boy...is huge! He is almost 20 pounds and is not good with strangers. He bit my dads leg :-( but he was easy to potty train. I also like the Yorkie coat better. My sisters girl havanese has very stringy hair which isn't the most appealing. But the boy has very curly hair!

Yorkies are very very smart and they know it and will test you! I seriously feel like I'm talking to a kid most of the time because they understand what I'm saying. Both breeds make great small dogs but their personality will be determined with how they were bred, their temperament, and the environment in which they are raised. I live with my boyfriend in a small apartment with little noise and definitely a much calmer environment. My sister has 2 very loud kids which causes the animals to act out. Good luck!

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I agree with what she said. Yorkies are very smart. there is pro and cons in every breed. I think you should for a yorkie :D

I am a very quiet and calm person, and my Yorkies have great temperaments, but they are still very active terriers. I want to emphasize this for the OP -- it's not just barking to be concerned about, it's the level of activity that she/he is looking for in a doggie companion.

Generally speaking, Yorkies require a lot of activity, physical exercise.

I think back to that first year with Max - whew! Max has an even temperament, not-hyper at all, but Yorkie puppies are especially energetic. :)

To the OP, if you decide you want a Yorkie, I highly recommend adopting one that is closer to a year old. My second boy was 8 months old when I brought him home and the bond I have with him is just as strong as the one I have with the boy I brought home at 13 weeks. You can adopt from a rescue or find a really good breeder who held puppies back as show potentials.

Best wishes in your search for the right dog for you.

If you are looking for a non barking dog I would not recommend either. Small lap dog , nonbarker look at bichon or pom. Bichon are easy to house train, do not require a lot of exercise. Same with a Pom. Just my opinion.

honestly it could go either way, I have had two yappers and two quite yorkies. My first one years ago before I knew better was even debarked cause I could not stand nor train the barking out of him. I did not even live in a condo, I had a free standing house but he could still be heard outside. I am assuming you have an elevator type building with hallway entrances, that could be a real challenge since dogs tend to bark when people walk by, going out with the dog left in side could be a problem since many bark non stop till you return. I have a very light barker now, however that changes when we leave her someplace. we often overnight on our boat in different marinas, as soon as we leave the boat she starts barking and does not stop till we return, she would probably do that in an apartment condo if left alone In time some get used to it, but not all do. Also the lap dog thing could go either way. I have friends with very energetic yorkies and some with slugs that don't move much yet are not that old. LOL after thinking more about this I think you should get a cat:D:D

Patty I had a Bichon once and no matter what we did he would not housebreak. Sweet dog though. I thought Pom's were yappy barkers. When I was looking this last time I did not want an aggressive barker like my last yorkie Kirby. So when I started considering a yorkie pom mix a bunch of people said I was crazy since both dogs were yappers and hyper. I did get a hyper dog in a good way because she is playful but she is so far from being a yapper I feel like a won the lottery:thumbup: LOL if I did not know better this might be one of those instances where I would suggest a mix :animal37:2puppy: ;)

Really what you should do is talk to some local rescue groups to see if they have a young adult pup that might fit your needs, there are several good groups in your area.

My bchon was not a barker, have had 2 poms and neither were barkers. Good condo size dogs. Easy to pee pad train. Bichon was a great boat dog. She never barked, most people never knew she was there until we walked her. Keno not so much. He will not be left alone. He goes where we go. Lol he is the boss.

Pomeranian's are definitely known as being huge barkers!

Again, it's going to depend on individuals but when when someone wants a 'lap dog' Yorkie is not really what comes to mind. Unless you find an adult that you know is already like that! :) But with pups, you're taking somewhat of a gamble. I do think that in general, you can somewhat mold a puppy into what you want them to be, but certain things you won't be able to change, and that's when each breed's general descriptions and temperaments come into play...

Honestly, some of the best 'lap dogs' I've ever been around have been mastiff's and great danes, LOL...

Shih Tzu's are typically pretty mellow and love to cuddle, IME. Chihuahua's as well but they have a bit more 'feisty-ness' to them. But I know someone with 5 and they are always ready to go for a walk, or a hike, or an adventure, but they're always perfectly content burrowing in the blankets for 5 days if needed.

From what you describe you want, yorkies or havanese wouldn't be my first suggestion. I'd look into Shih Tzu's, Chi's, Japanese Chin, Pugs, Pekinese, even look into the Tibetian Spaniel.

Jackson would never allow me 5 days of laying around LOL. Granted, he's on the 'extreme' scale of activity - he really needs a lot to be totally content, but the most I can get of lounging around the house not doing much of anything is about 2 days. Then he's just *itching* to do something and he will start finding things to chew, and just being an all around pest.

Even though Havanese are super adorable.....I have to say Yorkies! My yorkies are so loving and are lap pups! We have 3 and all three love to snuggle on our laps and 2 are puppies! They don't bark much, if at all, Tatiana is being pad trained and is doing extremely well and she is only 4 months. I think you need to look at the temperament of the pups. We have yorkie cousins that are hyper and not very cuddly! I also think it depends on how you raise them.....

poor OP, I bet you are totally confused now and unfortunately even though the books will say a certain breed acts a certain way there are so many exceptions to that rule it makes it so hard to predict. I have been in several meet up groups with small dogs and each pup is so different, some based on how they were raised or trained but often more by their nature. Good luck with whatever you decide.

I agree with Shi Tzu, Pugs, and Pekinese. I'm not as familiar with the others. What about a Min Pin? My neighbor has one that is just the calmest, cutest little thing. Are they typically that way?

I also agree with the Shih Tzu, they are lovely mellow dogs from what I know. My neighbor has a Min Pin and he is a great dog but he sure is a barker (a lot, all the time maybe more than Sophie Kate).

I would be one of the ones not recommending a Yorkie, they are sweet and can be lap dogs but Sophie Kate also requires a lot of exercise (at minimum of 2 30 minutes walks a day). Also in my experience pad training was not so easy, it took a lot of time and restarts before we got it.

Good luck, I am glad to see you're researching the breeds.

and I have a neighbor that has a nutty one, you can't walk by their house without that dog tearing after you and it seems to be a non stop barker, but it could be the way it is raised since it outside a lot with a lab behind and invisible fence. I also had thought s**tzu when first reading this thread, I can honestly say most I have ever seen seem to be mellow and are similar in size to a Havenese.

Good to know that Min Pins are generally nuts. ;):) I'll take them off my personal dream pack list.

I am thoroughly confused yes, lol! It's like winning a lottery if I get lucky enough to get a sweet puppy that is calm and quiet. I did look into getting a rescue but most seem to be the opposite of quiet and are skittish. And as much as I love all kinds of dogs, I just love the way most yorkies look. They are sooo cute! At this rate, I might as well get a hamster :-(