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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4187332)

Winning championships doesn't make them a good breeder either. Unfortunately many champions are beset with health problems. Your information is wrong about mixed breeds have the good qualities of two breeds, they could also get the "BAD" qualities of both breeds. Also, they don't have a 35% less chance of hereditary diseases, no matter what you read on a breeder’s website. The people here are free to give their opinion on a breeder because of what’s written on a website and selling “teacups” and mixed breeds are two huge red flags.

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4187495)

These are the type of posts that are detrimental to the flow of intelligent conversation between people that may have different opinions on a topic. Instead of attacking this poster personally and essentially calling her opinion, her frame of reference, even her personally, "STUPID", let me suggest a kinder, more gentle approach, such as, "I disagree".... We are ALL free to express our opinions.....opinions that are woven by facts and then shared, NOT with the ultimate goal to insult or embarrass or attack another poster and what their opinion is, but to perhaps debate and educate each other, presenting a different angle or different opinion on a topic. Everyone here is open to having their own thoughts or opinions, challenged or even questioned, but that does NOT include personal attacks and name calling another poster. You continued in a second attack, paraphrasing, "No, you are not sure....". In summation, you have, in two sentences, attacked, insulted, and implied that poster is "stupid" and has no valid "certainitties" in her opinions. I am not certain you are the best source to judge that poster's frame of references or her parameters on her knowledge base. Just because you do not agree with her certainties, does not invalidate her or her opinions. or make them incorrect. It just puts YOU in disagreement.

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Originally Posted by Bentleysmommie (Post 4187748)

Yes I agree with that, many breeders just get 2 dogs and mix them as designers. Which is ridiculous and your right the traits cannot be chosen it is after many generations and inbreeding that you have a regulated look of the cross breed. I cannot wait for the labradoodle to be recognized they are gorgeous, and many breeders have a generations.

For a new breed to be recognized, there has to be a parent club that is part of AKC's Foundation Stock Service program, and there are many, many requirements that have to be met.

From the AKC website: "How does the AKC define a rare breed?
When you consider FSS for your breed, please note the service is not open to “rare breeds” that are a variation of an AKC-registrable breed or the result of a combination of two AKC-recognized breeds. This includes, but is not limited to, differences such as size (over and under), coat type, coat colors, and coat colors and/or types that are disqualifications from conformation events by AKC breed standards.

Since the labradoodle is "the result of a combination of two AKC-recognized breeds", and therefore cannot participate in the Foundation Stock Service program, it will never be an AKC recognized breed.

https://classic.akc.org/enewsletter/...spring/fss.cfm

The term "designer breed" literally makes me feel ill! I find it shocking that people are paying for any mixed breed and that exact dog can be found in the shelter in seconds!

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Originally Posted by Bentleysmommie (Post 4187748)

What would those breeders think about someone who breeds an Labradoodle with a Bull Dog?

There have been many attempts to create a new breed of purebred dog. Few are truly successful. The AKC accepts very few of the new breeds presented for consideration. The "new breed" must present many generations of documented history of the breeding program. It takes many generations in order to get a new breed to produce a consistently uniform looking offspring. There are people who have tired to do this and never were able to achieve their goal during their lifetime.

The "Labradoodle" and other designer breeds are not a breed at all. They do not produce uniformly consistent offspring and just like other "new breeds" they are being bred by people who have no knowledge of the background of their dogs.

Putting one purebred dog together with another purebred dog of another breed does not produce hybrid vigor. It only brings forward the genes that both carry. Since people who do this type of breeding have little knowledge of the genetic background of those dogs the results can be truly disastrous. Sure some of the dogs are fine pets, but should never be used for breeding. Truly purebred breeding should be left to those who really know what they are doing. It is far more complicated than allowing certain dogs to mate.

Millions of pets are put to death yearly in shelters while others die miserable deaths on the streets and in rural areas where they are dumped. Breeding to satisfy the pocketbook of greeders is not something many of us care to support.

I am an owner and lover of purebred dogs and have also rescued and cared very much for mixed breeds. I have no prejudice concerning dogs. It is the breeders that I am selective about.

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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 4188063)

There have been many attempts to create a new breed of purebred dog. Few are truly successful. The AKC accepts very few of the new breeds presented for consideration. The "new breed" must present many generations of documented history of the breeding program. It takes many generations in order to get a new breed to produce a consistently uniform looking offspring. There are people who have tired to do this and never were able to achieve their goal during their lifetime.

The "Labradoodle" and other designer breeds are not a breed at all. They do not produce uniformly consistent offspring and just like other "new breeds" they are being bred by people who have no knowledge of the background of their dogs.

Putting one purebred dog together with another purebred dog of another breed does not produce hybrid vigor. It only brings forward the genes that both carry. Since people who do this type of breeding have little knowledge of the genetic background of those dogs the results can be truly disastrous. Sure some of the dogs are fine pets, but should never be used for breeding. Truly purebred breeding should be left to those who really know what they are doing. It is far more complicated than allowing certain dogs to mate.

Millions of pets are put to death yearly in shelters while others die miserable deaths on the streets and in rural areas where they are dumped. Breeding to satisfy the pocketbook of greeders is not something many of us care to support.

I am an owner and lover of purebred dogs and have also rescued and cared very much for mixed breeds. I have no prejudice concerning dogs. It is the breeders that I am selective about.

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I love this statement!

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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 4188063)

I should just have agreed to the whole post. I don't agree with designer dogs at all. I do say I have seen "mutts" or crossbreeds that are the sweetest dogs, but would never think to "breed" to produce more!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4187495)

Many of us are very protective of our friends. I am not saying everything one of my friends says is the same as my opinion but I do not like seeing them verbal attacked or called names. There is not a reason for it. I hope you can read on here and learn, it is amazing what true information and gaining knowledge that is based on research and fact can do for an opinion.

Think of what you want to be know for?? At this time you have been a little abrasive and I am hoping that is not the real you.