Size prediction
 

So many here have a lot of experiences with yorkies. I've read that if in the history of the yorkies family there was a rather big one, the puppy produced by smaller parents may in fact have a big one ;)

My breeder had 2 puppies, both born within a couple of weeks of each other. Same father, different mothers. But when I asked for the parent's sizes, he had told me the smaller couple had a larger baby while the large couple had a small baby. Didn't add up at first so I called our veterinarian, who explained that this does happen and that being the breeder was in good affiliation, I could feel good about buying from the breeder.

So here's what I'm wondering, I read that a smaller mother, compared to the father, will produce a larger puppy, while a larger mother, compared to the father, produce smaller puppies making delivery easier for the mother.

My breeder said that he breeds quality for show dogs vs a small dog. He did sell me the smallest one because I have back issues and needed a small dog to tote with me.

Equations: Help me figure this out.

According to the breeder:
Father weighs 4 lbs. 13 oz 8.66" height
Mother weighs 4 lbs 6 oz 7" height

I measured the parents myself, which I could error.
Didn't weigh them but the breeder said the mother was now overweight after having puppies...she was a chunk :D
I measured their height as:
Father 9.5 inches
Mother 9 inches

So here's my pooky-bear at 1 day from 13 weeks:
2 lbs 3 oz 7" height

The breeder said Pooky's characteristics would be like his fathers, in facial features etc. But I didn't ask him how much Pooky may end up weighing or if he'd be taller than his parents. Anybody know? To my understanding if you have a smaller father to the mother, you get a smaller adult dog if there's no history of a larger family member in the past, but I don't know what a smaller mom to father produces...they're so close in size, so does that make the kid turn out almost the same??? :) Inquiry mind wants to know.

I have no idea. Maybe one of the breeders could answer ths. But I wanted to say, big or small you will love your yorkie very much!! :D

Absolutely, I already am crazy about him. He's no throw back :D

I'm just curious about what the mother and father produce being so many breeders breed with a smaller male, which our breeder said he didn't want a smaller dog but a quality dog. So does a larger male produce a larger dog? Even if there's not much difference between the parents' sizes? Can I expect my dog to be larger or about the same size or judging(guessing/predicting) from the sizes he may get to be the size of the mother or the father???? Technical questions that will be answered in about 3 months when i see how big he gets, lol

Congrats on your Pooky! He's your little guy and will be the love of your
life, no matter what his size. These babies are all small to me. It's great to hear your breeder breeds for quality instead if size.

According to the growth charts and the double the weight at 12 week rule... Looks like around 4 1/2 pounds.... But you just never know!

I've seen those charts...double the weight at 12-13 weeks plus half a pound and double the height I read somewhere too...I just knew there were breeders on the forum and wondered if they kind of know what they're going to get according to the sizes of the parents rather than a chart?

I also have a toy poodle and I kept track of her growth...not exactly what was predicted. She's 2 pounds heavier and 4 inches shorter, lol but we love her just the same.

Just a side note a good breeder will never breed a female under 5 pounds because it is dangerous.

I strongly suspect that this pup will weigh between 2lbs. 3oz and 25lbs., give or take, height I'm not so sure of:D

Are you planning on breeding this pup?

Adult size is really difficult to predict unless the breeder really knows their line. Rily's breeder said he would be around 5 pounds. I remember asking on here right after I joined and most of the responses I received were around 6 pounds. His adult weight runs around 10-11 pounds. A vet in NC told me to triple the 12 week weight and that is pretty much what he did. I have three dogs and all three grew at different rates. I have seen litter mates mature to very different weights.

You are just too funny! I could predict that. LOL

You are just too funny! I could predict that and I know nothing about breeding except we didn't want a micro mini pup. LOL

Well, I kind of wondered when the mother weighed that because she clearly weighed a good 5-6 pounds. I thought perhaps he wanted her heavier for breeding. He told me she was actually overweight since having puppies.

Oh wow! I thought I bought our toy poodle from a home, I mean, we went to a home of a notary. They showed me the poodles parent's paper work. But I don't know...they sold her as a teacup, which here in Mexico it's very common to advertise teacup French poodle because people understand that as a toy poodle. Don't be upset, this is another country and people think differently than they do up there. She's definitely a toy, but not a teacup. I had no idea there were problems with teacups before I brought her home. She's a good hardy dog, fine boned, a little on the long side, but a lot of poodles here are. That's why I told the breeder I bought my yorkie specifically that I did NOT want a doxie sized dog.

That would be a little bit of a shock if you were buying from a breeder who was suppose to know and ended up with a much larger dog.

yes, you are too funny...my question is more about the parents and if the puppy ends up being the same size as the parents or bigger if the father is larger than the mother....does the puppy get his size from the mother or father..

NO, I'm not planning on breeding. We already have a male guard dog and I don't want Pooky marking in the house.

If it's a repeat breeding...the breeder should be able to guess-estimate adult size with accuracy.

If not...double the 12 week weight and add a pound. The charts out there are notiously inaccurate

Well it's about what her frame can handle if she is supposed to be 4 pounds extra weight to make her over that's not going to help her. She should not have been bred.

My predictions, after what happened to my toy poodle, are 8.84" and 6 pounds :D

Sigh, doesn't sound like I'll get an answer here, will have to call the breeder :)

Your really not gonna know how big they will get until they get there there is no sure way to tell.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-E...520parents.jpg

So Pooky's father(left) was oiled up to go to a competition, his mother(right) looks like a healthy dog to me. I loved them. You wouldn't do well living here. lololol

I don't know how much the mother weighs, whether you think she should have been or not is not the point of this discussion. If you're in the USA and call the American Kennel Club in your area and they recommend a breeder, are you going to pick them apart? I did the best I could and am very, very happy with my puppy. You would not believe how much attention he draws. I had a prestigious doctor in our area and family pull over to ask me where I got him and told me how adorable he is just this afternoon. Pooky is very popular ;D

Prefer the Yorkshire Terrier club of America and yes I would ask the breeder lots of questions and if they did not do everything the club says they should be doing
and doing everything they should be doing I would move on. We the buyers are who keep bad breeders in business and its not good for our breed. Whether the female was healthy or not it is not good to breed a female under 5 pounds and its not just an opinion it's fact. I made it as a side note for all future buyers so they would know.

ok:thumbs up

You could come down here and run a campaign, then it wouldn't have been such a pain finding a reputable breeder...and yes, I did look. This one place I went to was literally a farm! Kind of set up rodeo style and the breeder had his dogs in a horse stall, with dirt! I made the appointment and he didn't even wash the dogs! They looked healthy, super sweet dogs, just super unkept.

Anyway, this breeder is all over the national websites for best of show, so I think he knows what he's doing. I told him I didn't want to show, wasn't going to breed, didn't want a wiener dog, but needed a lighter fella because of my back. He gave me a few options and we studied the pictures, then set up the appointment to meet the fam...it didn't take but a minute to decide, they're beautiful dogs, champion blood or not.

There is a Yorkie growth chart here somewhere in the stickies, neither of mine lived up to the expected weight...not even close!

The breeder should be able to give you info based on past breedings but if its a first litter its not going to be helpful...

I know things are very different in Mexico and pups are raised different etc., I'm glad you found one you really like! I'm just picturing the puppies in the coral running amuck in dirt! too funny! Do you have any pics?

I think you are asking a question for breeders about size of parents right? Maybe you should post this in the breeders section. By the way your baby is adorable :).

LOL, love this! My boys broke the rules and predictions. THey are brothers and I did something to grow them bigger than family. ;)

I do know other country's do things a lot differently and I tend to forget that and how many different places people on here are from. In the US they have I guess done more research and have more breed experts or something. Its sad for the dogs though it is a lot more dangerous for a dog under 5 pounds to have puppies. I just wanted to put the side note there sense so many people read these threads. It doesn't make your pup any less lovable or cute.

Yes and thank you! I will ask there.

lyznzy, here's a hind picture...the father is smaller than the mother.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink

try this link

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That's not the point of my post....what I was saying is "it is hard to predict the adult size of a yorkie puppy. Rily's breeder wasn't trying to sell me a "teacup" yorkie. I just meant that she missed the mark in predicting his adult size.

I'm attempting one last time to post this farm picture...
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink

rilysmom, I totally got what you were saying...really funny story but ya, they were off quite a bit, hehe

Predicting weight sigh My breeder said my Jewels who was 12 oz at 8 weeks would be 3 lbs shes 8. She said chachi who was 1 lb at 7 weeks would be 5 lbs hes 14. There is no predicting weight