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Discussion with Merta (Long post) 1 Attachment(s) I have already decided to get a Biewer baby from Donna. But I decided to check the ad posted on Kijiji by Merta. I saw some red flags with Merta, but overall experience was satisfactory. Below are the red flags, 1. She has MANY dogs. I personally counted around 9 Yorkies (2 of them are pups for sale), 1 Biewer female, 1 maltipoo and I was hearing some barking sounds from the basement. So I believe there are more dogs in her basement. Most of them were adults. 2. When I reached their house, her husband greeted me. Merta was supposed to be in the basement, bathing pups. Now, this is something which I felt weird because, "she was getting the pups ready for visit". 3. She said she covers for genetic diseases, but did not mention anything about luxating patella in her contract nor while talking, until I inquired about it. 4. The mother of so called F1 Yorkie-Biewer pup died 2 days after C-section. She said she got her from Germany and is devastated with the loss and she was "small". But I did not understand why she bred such a small female at first place. 5. All her Yorkies, including the pups which are for sale are short but heavy. I am not familiar with such things in a Yorkie. Happy was sturdy but he had long legs. I might be wrong in this, but I would like to hear from all of you guys. Does anyone has a Yorkie who has short legs and a really heavy body? Plus their stomach area was very heavy. 6. Although it looked like she cares for her Yorkies, she allows them to jump on and from the couch. These lil guys are so delicate, I just could not understand how is she allowing them to jump. 7. She is breeding Yorkies and Biewers and she said she has maltese also. So I think she might have used it in some breeding program earlier. 8. The most fascinating thing which I heard from her is the definition of a Biewer. She said its a black and white Yorkie. She said she got one from Germany, then I believe she should have known that its a different breed as per the German website. I am no expert in this. I would like you guys to share your thoughts. 9. She feeds raw diet (a mix of chicken, beef and veggies), plus Royal Canin. She said that she gets the meat from a butcher whose expertise is in preparing meat especially for dogs. I wonder if this is true. She never described what is the recipe and whether it was prescribed from a nutritionist. She also prepares treats within her home. I have been with Yorkies for a while and I know that if the raw diet is not administered properly, the amount of ammonia in the body would increase due to lack of protein digestion. I am skeptical about her feeding habits. 10. She is asking $1000 but the contract does not tell anything about neutering or breeding rights. I am attaching the copy of contract. 11. She talked about canned foods and after feeding canned foods, the pooh of her yorkies has very bad smell. Now, this should be the case of indigestion of protein. But she did not acknowledge it. One of the good things which I noticed is that she does not cage dogs. The dogs are in the kitchen area and are free fed. Please share your thoughts. From my perspective I have made the "RIGHT" decision by taking the pup from Donna. Although the pups are gorgeous,I thought its a risk. |
I'm not a breeder, so I can't answer everything...but as a prospective buyer, I wouldn't buy from her. All the points you made are definite red flags IMO, with the exception of the diet. I also feed raw to my kids and I would be ecstatic to learn my breeder fed raw. But, on the other hand, she's breeding Biewers and thinks it's a black and white Yorkie...so that makes me wonder if she's feeding correctly. There is a lot of work and thought to prepare meals and if she doesn't know her own dog's breed...well, that's alarming. Do you know if the Maltese was fixed? |
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One more opinion on raw food and another point which I missed I have read lot of articles on feeding raw food for Yorkies or small dogs in particular. IMHO, the raw dog food should be first discussed with a nutritionist before feeding dogs. You would not be knowing what amount of proteins, vitamins and other minerals will be in the final diet. Also, for small dogs, they will have a small liver. So, if the raw diet is just prepared with individual interests, then it would end up hurting the liver of these lil babies. As I said, it is just my opinion. I missed another important thing which she mentioned. She said that a Biewer female died 2 days after having C section. But never shared details on how the pup was taken care of. Whether she left the pup with another female Yorkie or whether she took care of the pups herself. |
I know nothing either but while searching for a puppy myself I kept seeing adds for Biewer morkies and I really can't help but wonder if people are breeding morkies and selling them saying they are biewers. |
I'm no breeder either and I know people will be along to reply to this that have FAR MORE knowledge than I do. But I do know that the entire "ring" this Merta has going screams "RUN!" A Biewer is NOT a black and white yorkie. It is a separate breed. |
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It's my understanding that Biewer, the German man that brought the first pup into being, bred something with a yorkie (can't remember off the top of my head). So, I mean...down to the very beginnings, they come from yorkies. Oh, okay..I just went and found what I was thinking about and it was 2 recessive gene pie-bald yorkies. From what I've read, though, Biewers and YT's are not bred together any longer. Biewer is it's own separate breed now...I could be totally wrong, but this is what I read when I was researching (I had never heard of a Biewer before so I went googling lol) |
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But you hit the nail on the head - individual interests. I doubt that this woman feeds properly. :( |
I remember reading somewhere that a maltese was bred initially for Biewer. I cannot remember the website where I read this information. I think this should better be answered by members who are actually experts in this line. I know there are few members here who are in to breeding biewers. |
Wee-Pups beautiful Yorkies, Maltese, and Toy Poodle Puppies Was this the website? Is Merta's husband Grahm? If so stay away, she's a greeder. That health guarantee is worthless as a whole and basically says, take your pup and don't call us again....Every one of your points of redflags is right on target. |
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Biewers are Biewers. They are not morkies. I would not trust this breeder. That is just me. I do not get a good feeling about them |
Biewer history I found this on the Breed club of biewer website, Breed club for biewer a la pom pon dogs The funny thing is that I did not know that its pronounced as bee-wa. I was pronouncing it literally as bi-ew-er. But Donna corrected me. ;) |
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I saw one of the adults on her page in her home. |
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Thank you. |
I would never buy from her sounds like another bad greedy breeder! |
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Biewer is not recognized by any kennel club including FCI and the German Kennel Club it is only recognized by its own registry and UKC in the US. |
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The Biewer, pronounced (Beeva) originated in Hunsruck, Germany in 1984. Mr. & Mrs. Werner & Gertrude Biewer started the first Biewer through a recessive piebald gene occurrence in their Yorkshire Terriers. Although Mr. Werner Biewer passed away in 1997, his legacy lives on through this exquisite rare breed. The Biewer Breed started with foundation parents "Darling von Friedheck" and Fru Fru von Friedheck". Both dogs were blue and tan and were world youth winners in 1981 at Dortmund. Their mating brought the first blue, white and gold Biewer, "Schneeflocken von Freidheck", born in January of 1984. Mr. Biewer continued breeding his colored Biewers to achieve their white bellies and four white paws. In 1989 the Biewer was accepted as its own breed with the ACH German e.V. |
I'm so glad you are not buying from this person. She may have some house dogs but I will bet you anything she has caged dogs in that basement! You cannot let breeding male and female dogs run freely in any home At least not unless you want undocumented and unscheduled breedings. Her dog may have come from Germany but I'll bet you she got it from someone in the US and did not import it herself. I'll also bet she did not show you one current pedigree of her dogs. She is a backyard greeder at best and it sounds like she is close to a puppy mill or brokering on the side. It is very poor practice to feed kibble with a raw diet. The kibble digests much more slowly than raw food and the combination does bad things to the digestive system as well as other systems of the body. Occasional raw meat is fine but you cannot consistently combine the two different diets without causing issues in the dogs. I feel bad for the dogs but supporting people like this just enables them to continue exploiting the innocent animals. |
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OMG, please don't buy from this woman that contract is madness and all those red flags!! Thank goodness ur sensible :) xxxx |
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Lots of questions and many irrelevant answers. |
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I would trust your instincts on this one. If you get a bad feeling about the breeder, go to another breeder. I don't know this Merta person, but I have not heard her name in a good light yet. |
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The Biewer is ONLY it's own breed because Mr Biewer wanted to show it..so they allowed him to call it a seperate breed for showing, it is.. IN FACT, a tri colored yorkie, just like the AKC registered Parti Yorkies in the states.. however, unlike the AKC registered Parti yorkies in the states, they are not able to be registered with the AKC because their parents are not registered witht he AKC. To be a Biewer, one, or both of the parents have to come from Mr. Biewers lines of tri colored yorkies. (which he bred from two traditionally colored yorkies which carried the recessive piebald gene) which SOME yorkies DO carry. (even though there are those who like to keep putting their heads under the sand up to their necks and ignore it). Honestly.. someone has to check this forum constantly or all sorts of falsehoods get out there as fact.. tisk tisk tisk!!! Diana :animal-pa |
ooh.. by the way, I have no idea who this Merta is.. so, couldn't tell you a thing about her or the "ring" of people she hangs with.. Diana :animal-pa |
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Chocolates are also recessive gene colours. Some of the breeders I know have seen a chocolate crop up once in one litter and because they know their pedigrees back in generations, were able to avoid that happening again. |
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