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happysparents 12-26-2012 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4087558)
Hmmm, website has NO information on it and what little she does is the pits. Her husband is Grahm?
I think so but I cannot remember his name.

I saw one of the adults on her page in her home.

lynzy420 12-26-2012 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by happysparents (Post 4087577)
I think so but I cannot remember his name.

I saw one of the adults on her page in her home.

Thank you.

Lovetodream88 12-26-2012 09:27 PM
I would never buy from her sounds like another bad greedy breeder!

Lorraine 12-26-2012 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MandiesMom (Post 4087473)
It's my understanding that Biewer, the German man that brought the first pup into being, bred something with a yorkie (can't remember off the top of my head). So, I mean...down to the very beginnings, they come from yorkies. Oh, okay..I just went and found what I was thinking about and it was 2 recessive gene pie-bald yorkies.

From what I've read, though, Biewers and YT's are not bred together any longer. Biewer is it's own separate breed now...I could be totally wrong, but this is what I read when I was researching (I had never heard of a Biewer before so I went googling lol)
Yorkies do not carry the pie bald gene. Biewer had yorkies and shih tzu's. Shih Tzu's carry pie bald. He did finally admit he bred the two together and that's how he got the Biewer.
Biewer is not recognized by any kennel club including FCI and the German Kennel Club it is only recognized by its own registry and UKC in the US.

happysparents 12-26-2012 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 4087607)
Yorkies do not carry the pie bald gene. Biewer had yorkies and shih tzu's. Shih Tzu's carry pie bald. He did finally admit he bred the two together and that's how he got the Biewer.
Biewer is not recognized by any kennel club including FCI and the German Kennel Club it is only recognized by its own registry and UKC in the US.
I am not sure if I am the right person to comment, but this what I found on the Biewer Breed club of America Inc,

The Biewer, pronounced (Beeva) originated in Hunsruck, Germany in 1984. Mr. & Mrs. Werner & Gertrude Biewer started the first Biewer through a recessive piebald gene occurrence in their Yorkshire Terriers. Although Mr. Werner Biewer passed away in 1997, his legacy lives on through this exquisite rare breed.

The Biewer Breed started with foundation parents "Darling von Friedheck" and Fru Fru von Friedheck". Both dogs were blue and tan and were world youth winners in 1981 at Dortmund. Their mating brought the first blue, white and gold Biewer, "Schneeflocken von Freidheck", born in January of 1984.

Mr. Biewer continued breeding his colored Biewers to achieve their white bellies and four white paws. In 1989 the Biewer was accepted as its own breed with the ACH German e.V.

gracielove 12-27-2012 06:55 AM
I'm so glad you are not buying from this person. She may have some house dogs but I will bet you anything she has caged dogs in that basement! You cannot let breeding male and female dogs run freely in any home At least not unless you want undocumented and unscheduled breedings.

Her dog may have come from Germany but I'll bet you she got it from someone in the US and did not import it herself. I'll also bet she did not show you one current pedigree of her dogs. She is a backyard greeder at best and it sounds like she is close to a puppy mill or brokering on the side.

It is very poor practice to feed kibble with a raw diet. The kibble digests much more slowly than raw food and the combination does bad things to the digestive system as well as other systems of the body. Occasional raw meat is fine but you cannot consistently combine the two different diets without causing issues in the dogs.

I feel bad for the dogs but supporting people like this just enables them to continue exploiting the innocent animals.

Lorraine 12-27-2012 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by happysparents (Post 4087636)
I am not sure if I am the right person to comment, but this what I found on the Biewer Breed club of America Inc,

The Biewer, pronounced (Beeva) originated in Hunsruck, Germany in 1984. Mr. & Mrs. Werner & Gertrude Biewer started the first Biewer through a recessive piebald gene occurrence in their Yorkshire Terriers. Although Mr. Werner Biewer passed away in 1997, his legacy lives on through this exquisite rare breed.

The Biewer Breed started with foundation parents "Darling von Friedheck" and Fru Fru von Friedheck". Both dogs were blue and tan and were world youth winners in 1981 at Dortmund. Their mating brought the first blue, white and gold Biewer, "Schneeflocken von Freidheck", born in January of 1984.

Mr. Biewer continued breeding his colored Biewers to achieve their white bellies and four white paws. In 1989 the Biewer was accepted as its own breed with the ACH German e.V.
I give up. People are going to believe what they want to and unfortunately unless you are up to your ears in the show world it is easy to be misinformed.

furbutt 12-27-2012 10:12 AM
OMG, please don't buy from this woman that contract is madness and all those red flags!! Thank goodness ur sensible :) xxxx

happysparents 12-27-2012 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by furbutt (Post 4087978)
OMG, please don't buy from this woman that contract is madness and all those red flags!! Thank goodness ur sensible :) xxxx
I think I was doing a spy operation on her :D

Lots of questions and many irrelevant answers.

MandiesMom 12-27-2012 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 4087607)
Yorkies do not carry the pie bald gene. Biewer had yorkies and shih tzu's. Shih Tzu's carry pie bald. He did finally admit he bred the two together and that's how he got the Biewer.
Biewer is not recognized by any kennel club including FCI and the German Kennel Club it is only recognized by its own registry and UKC in the US.
Oh, okay. I had read several different "versions" of how the Biewer came to be. One had said that about the pie bald...others didn't mention it, so now I understand why. Thanks for clearing that up. I've been very curious about this breed since learning of them (when I joined here). :)

MishyMish 12-27-2012 12:03 PM
I would trust your instincts on this one. If you get a bad feeling about the breeder, go to another breeder. I don't know this Merta person, but I have not heard her name in a good light yet.

Teresiana 12-27-2012 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MandiesMom (Post 4087465)
I'm no breeder either and I know people will be along to reply to this that have FAR MORE knowledge than I do.

But I do know that the entire "ring" this Merta has going screams "RUN!"

A Biewer is NOT a black and white yorkie. It is a separate breed.
I second this post. :thumbup:

GreenwoodBiewer 12-27-2012 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 4087607)
Yorkies do not carry the pie bald gene. Biewer had yorkies and shih tzu's. Shih Tzu's carry pie bald. He did finally admit he bred the two together and that's how he got the Biewer.
Biewer is not recognized by any kennel club including FCI and the German Kennel Club it is only recognized by its own registry and UKC in the US.
I'm sorry to disagree with you.. BUT the Biewers did NOT breed Shih Tzu's.. they had ONE pet non intact shih tzu,I am unsure if it was a male or a female.. Heir Biewer NEVER admitted breeding the two together, to say this is a bold faced fabrication.

The Biewer is ONLY it's own breed because Mr Biewer wanted to show it..so they allowed him to call it a seperate breed for showing, it is.. IN FACT, a tri colored yorkie, just like the AKC registered Parti Yorkies in the states.. however, unlike the AKC registered Parti yorkies in the states, they are not able to be registered with the AKC because their parents are not registered witht he AKC. To be a Biewer, one, or both of the parents have to come from Mr. Biewers lines of tri colored yorkies. (which he bred from two traditionally colored yorkies which carried the recessive piebald gene) which SOME yorkies DO carry. (even though there are those who like to keep putting their heads under the sand up to their necks and ignore it).

Honestly.. someone has to check this forum constantly or all sorts of falsehoods get out there as fact.. tisk tisk tisk!!!

Diana :animal-pa

GreenwoodBiewer 12-27-2012 05:32 PM
ooh.. by the way, I have no idea who this Merta is.. so, couldn't tell you a thing about her or the "ring" of people she hangs with..

Diana :animal-pa

Lorraine 12-27-2012 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 4088299)
I'm sorry to disagree with you.. BUT the Biewers did NOT breed Shih Tzu's.. they had ONE pet non intact shih tzu,I am unsure if it was a male or a female.. Heir Biewer NEVER admitted breeding the two together, to say this is a bold faced fabrication.

The Biewer is ONLY it's own breed because Mr Biewer wanted to show it..so they allowed him to call it a seperate breed for showing, it is.. IN FACT, a tri colored yorkie, just like the AKC registered Parti Yorkies in the states.. however, unlike the AKC registered Parti yorkies in the states, they are not able to be registered with the AKC because their parents are not registered witht he AKC. To be a Biewer, one, or both of the parents have to come from Mr. Biewers lines of tri colored yorkies. (which he bred from two traditionally colored yorkies which carried the recessive piebald gene) which SOME yorkies DO carry. (even though there are those who like to keep putting their heads under the sand up to their necks and ignore it).

Honestly.. someone has to check this forum constantly or all sorts of falsehoods get out there as fact.. tisk tisk tisk!!!

Diana :animal-pa
No they do not carry the piebald gene. Interestingly enough, I have talked to Yorkie show breeders in Yorkies for over 35 years. In all their years of breeding they have never seen a yorkie puppy or litter that are particoloured or tri coloured. Do you not think that this would have been seen in all those decades if it were a recessive gene issue?
Chocolates are also recessive gene colours. Some of the breeders I know have seen a chocolate crop up once in one litter and because they know their pedigrees back in generations, were able to avoid that happening again.


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