just put deposit down for the baby boy...when should I bring him home?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

If you go into this with the goal to "be a breeder and make tons of money selling puppies", this is what you do! You breed two dogs, and then you sell the babies before they cost you a bunch of money. You do no vaccinations, no worming, no micro chipping, you do no well baby checks....you off load those pups, hoping you can get rid of them while they are still small, regardless of parasite infestation, prior to starting vaccinations at recommended age, before you have to spoend time and care weaning from mom to eating kibble on their own, and certainly before all these conditions catch up with you and those babies start getting sick. If you bought a baby before that age of 12-14 weeks, and you got it home and it was sick suddenly within a couple of days or weeks, HELLO!!! You operate on a "SLAM! BAM! THANK YOU, MA'AM!" mentality, with as little expenditure as possible...that is the only way you can clear a significant clear profit margin....and since you have very little invested in the creation of those babies and the care of them up to the date they are sold, you can entice tons of buyers with CHEAP PRICES!!! Get 'em in, get 'em out!!! THAT is how you do, when you are unethical, irresponsible, and are doing this strictly for the money....to hell with the puppies, to hell with the dams, and most of all, TO HELL WITH THE BUYERS!!! So, if YOU are a buyer out there, getting a baby younger than 12 weeks, you need to be made to understand exactly what that "breeder" thinks of YOU and the babies she panders.

Oh wow, I love your post, it so good to see a breeder who sees it this way, so many breeders make execuses for doing this, but not you, you tell it like it is, I love it!

[abbey46923]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Oh wow, I love your post, it so good to see a breeder who sees it this way, so many breeders make execuses for doing this, but not you, you tell it like it is, I love it!

We really need a "like" button on here!! Very well said!

[gemy]

Let the breeder keep the pup until 12wks or so and at least two pounds.

Do you know how small 2lbs is? The puppy fits in the palm of a female hand!

The greater weight should help protect against hypoglycemia. And that is a real risk with a 7-8wk old puppy!

Please have your breeder do a BATS on the puppy prior to you accepting the puppy. That is a blood test. NOt too expensive to do, but at least you will get some idea of the health of that pup's liver.

In terms of bonding, what the breeder said is nonsense. There is no problem with bonding of a 12wk or older pup.

I truly hope you have done your homework because the fact that this breeder will let the pups go so early is a pretty big warning sign to me.

Please read the Guide to Finding a Responsible Breeder - it is located in our library here.

[Shelby&Seymour]

what happened to the poster? Hopefully they got the message.... I know how difficult it would be to leave your puppy with the breeder if they say it can go with you.... but it IS very true.... that extra time is very important & may make a difference in the social behavior of the dog...... should we do a Private message with a shortcut to this thread in case the poster can't find their thread back?

[gracielove]

As you can see there are various reasons for having a pup stay with the mom until at least 12 weeks. Personally, as a breeder of purebred Himalayan cats, we also kept our kittens until at least the age of 12 weeks, not because they were not able to survive at a younger age, but because they were mentally and socially stronger and able to make the transition to a new home without a lot of trauma. At the age of 12 weeks pups and kittens start to break off from the litter and investigate on their own. They don't need the litter mates as much for comfort in sleeping and playing. Since they are more independent the new owner is not dealing with a needy infant as much as someone who gets a pup or kitten at a much younger age. A young puppy in particular spends the night crying for the comfort of the littler when taken away so young.

Small breed pups do mature slower many times. Their teeth don't come in as early as some larger breeds do so they may not eat as well as they should. Hypoglycemia can be a real danger to a small breed puppy. At 12 weeks they are usually solidly weaned and do not have eating issues.

As mentioned, breeders who are breeding to bring in the dollars want the puppies gone as soon as they are weaned because that is when the mom stops cleaning up after the puppies. It takes a dedicated breeder to keep a litter of puppies for the additional weeks they need to mature because it is a lot more work for the breeder, but it is so important for the pup and the new owner.

You will find that house breaking will be less of a problem with an older puppy as well. Puppies do not start to have the ability to hold back their urine until they are about 16 weeks old. Until then you have a leaking faucet. You have to teach the pup it cannot pee inside but the owner pretty much has to control the situation because the young pup cannot do much about it. Small breed pups have tiny little bladders. The more they mature the less they pee. At 12 weeks of age you have missed at least a month of seemingly constant peeing.

Every pup is an individual. As a cat breeder we evaluated each kitten according to how it was progressing. Sometimes one does not progress as fast as another. I have found that to be true of puppies as well. A good breeder should be able to tell you the personality characteristics of each pup and how it is progressing.

I realize that many countries do not go along with what many professional breeders in the US have found to be helpful. Certainly a puppy can usually survive at 8 weeks but studies have revealed valid reasons to wait. I was truly concerned for my kittens and wanted them to have the best possible start in life and did not want them leaving before they were ready. For me it was more about what was best for them and their getting a good start in their new homes.

With all that said, if you are buying from someone that wants the pups gone and is not prepared to care for the puppy as it should be for the remaining weeks then it may be better to get the puppy sooner. If the puppy will not be with the mom and litter mates and is left caged and un-socialized it is not going to be getting the benefits it needed anyway. But do not for one second believe that a puppy "bonds" better at such an early age.

[carmen in nj]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

If you go into this with the goal to "be a breeder and make tons of money selling puppies", this is what you do! You breed two dogs, and then you sell the babies before they cost you a bunch of money. You do no vaccinations, no worming, no micro chipping, you do no well baby checks....you off load those pups, hoping you can get rid of them while they are still small, regardless of parasite infestation, prior to starting vaccinations at recommended age, before you have to spoend time and care weaning from mom to eating kibble on their own, and certainly before all these conditions catch up with you and those babies start getting sick. If you bought a baby before that age of 12-14 weeks, and you got it home and it was sick suddenly within a couple of days or weeks, HELLO!!! You operate on a "SLAM! BAM! THANK YOU, MA'AM!" mentality, with as little expenditure as possible...that is the only way you can clear a significant clear profit margin....and since you have very little invested in the creation of those babies and the care of them up to the date they are sold, you can entice tons of buyers with CHEAP PRICES!!! Get 'em in, get 'em out!!! THAT is how you do, when you are unethical, irresponsible, and are doing this strictly for the money....to hell with the puppies, to hell with the dams, and most of all, TO HELL WITH THE BUYERS!!! So, if YOU are a buyer out there, getting a baby younger than 12 weeks, you need to be made to understand exactly what that "breeder" thinks of YOU and the babies she panders.

My feelings exactly, i have a litter of silkies right now, they are 11 weeks, and they are already Up to date with vaccines, did two fecals on them, and yesterday they got their microchip, I just need to put the puppy packs together, one is leaving tomorrow, the family lives in my town and is been waiting on this pup for a year, we are friends, the other one is going to my cousin, on saturday, and the other one is staying here until after new years , because she is going out of state to Maryland and I don't know the family that well, we had spoken on the phone and they are driving to get her, so afer new years is it, and my little one she is staying here until i find the right family for her because she is very small.. is the BREEders responsability to make sure your puppy is a healthy, happy and loving dog, bonding occurs even with adult dogs so that is BULL..
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