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TaxHopper73 --- I started this thread and used the term "backyard breeder." I mentioned in my original post that "I hate this term." I am not even sure what it means. I felt then that it might not apply to all breeders who breed their pet yorkies in their homes. What exactly does it mean? Does it mean people who just throw their animals out in some area and let them breed without a lot of love and care? I guess should call the loving people who raised yorkies in their homes "front room breeders." That does sound good either! Anyway - please let me know what BYB really means.....so I can use it more appropriately. Thanks - Carol Jean |
Carol Jean...BYB has been discussed here many times and the definition that I've found most often for BYB is someone that will throw two dogs together and see what they get. The breeder I referred to is a BYB. She doesn't care about the fault that they obviously have. She is not a puppymill, she only has 1 breeding female but she only paid $450 for the female and has made thousands off of her. |
BYBers come in all shapes and forms. They breed in larger numbers or smaller numbers. Not all the conceptions happen in the backyard. Some in the kitchen, some in the barn; heck, some right in front of the neighbors in the living room. I personally divide breeders into several groups in my mind and tick each one off when I talk with someone. I can just about look at a puppy and tell the quality of the breeder. Now, every breeder has a clunker sometimes-too large, too small, too leggy, roach back, bad bite..these babies make perfectly wonderful pets and should be placed with the proper families..I cannot tell you the joy I feel when I have been able to match a puppy with its perfect mom and family. I do not feel sad when I don't let a baby go. I have been accused of being discriminating against aged or working families. I know what is best for my baby and no amount of money can buy a puppy from me if I do not approve of you. By the same token, they should not buy from me if they do not find a good fit..I simply want the best placement for my babies and I consider myself the best judge of that. I will try to help you find a puppy that might be a good match, but don't always count on that... |
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Great thread! This is a wonderful thread folks! Thank you, I have learned much here. I am also happy to see how civil this discussion is remaining, as I am sure this is a hot topic. Congrats on how respectful and calm you are all being! Keep up the good work! :D |
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just a question, for you or anyone else that may have input in each state what does a show yorkie go for as compared to a pet quality. i didnt mean to offend anyone by using the term back yard breeder i learned that term here on YT. i just feel here in florida yorkies have become the money market. all these yorkies regarding the newpaper are priced at 1000 dollars a pup and up. my only beef is with the dishonest breeders that tell you anything you want to hear to selll you that puppy. i wasnt promoised that my pups would be show dogs, nothng was said about showing these perticular puppies, but i was verbally promised that their parents both pups coming form differnt breeders had ancestors that were champions. my female was advertised in the paper as champion lines. After i recived her pedigree i found that theres no champion lines and really i shouldnt even breed her. So with that i am ticked at there breeders. The only contract i got was a verbal saying i had 72 hours to have them checked by a vet and the only way i could get a refund is if there is a life threatening genetic defect. i spent 1200 dollars on my female pet quality yorkie and 1000 for my male also pet quality but the only option i have is to return and i would never do that! Once agian i wish i found you girls/guys before you have all been so helpful and understanding! My question all the way up at the top is just curiosity of how they are sold state to state. |
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I have spoken to other show breeders and their prices start at $3,000 and go up from there. I would love to eventually purchase a show potential/quality pup AND show, but I'll probably have to wait till my kids leave home since their sole purpose in life is to suck me dry! |
Maybe this should have been on a new post, but this saturday my husband and I stopped by a groomer in my town,and much to our horrer we talked to a couple that had what I thought was a silky,found out it was the brother to my male,out of the same litter,now here is my question..when I bought him, we were told that he would not weight over 5 lbs..it was true, they also said they had never had a yorkie in thier line over 5 lbs..all of there papers said the same thing, now this other dog weighed in at 13 bs..now we are really concerned..we have a new male pup..when he was born he weighed 5oz,a single pup and the vet said he would not be bigger than his parents,not to be worried,yet now I don't know what to think, I know in humans,genitics can play a part and a kid can take after an uncle,aunt,grandparents...this pup was sold before he was born under the understanding he would be like his parents...can I get some truth here..what should I really expect,should I call the potential owner of the new pup and tell her what we found out,the breeder of the male is not returning my calls..I understand that there are throbacks, could this be the case or were we taken |
That's such a shame but people lie. Chances are you just have to accept that and just love your baby for who he is.... not where he came from - I think with many 'not so good' breeders - Ok...BAD Breeders....this is pretty common practice - the GOOD breeders would not do this - they love and respect the breed too much |
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I'm not reading the whole thread, but I'm giving my answers to the original post so no one attack me asking if I've read the whole thread; I didn't. There are times that I believe that no one should be breeding any pets. That usually happens when I take a peek at Petfinder.com and see all the homeless babies in shelters all over the countries. A lot of them are former breeding dogs that couldn't be placed - you can see them if you check out their stories. I think "why are these breeders breeding and then sending their unwanted ones to shelters?". I also get a little peeved when I think of people producing hundreds of puppies (I'm not talking puppymills) looking for the perfect dog that is asthetically perfect when there are hundreds of thousands of homeless purebreds. My Stewie's parents were perfect and obviously he's not. His ears went down after his rabies shot. He's incredibly tall and long. He weighs more than 7lbs. His parents should never be bred again - they produced a dog who is no where near standard. When I see pictures of "mommies" on YT who were bred, sometimes I think "why the hell is that dog having puppies??" They have down ears, cotton coats, obvious bite problems, etc etc. It's so obvious that the member wants to make a quick buck. It has HONESTLY never occurred to me, until I joined YT, that people want to breed their animals. In Chicago, I can honestly say that 90% of people get their dogs from shelters. Breeders are looked down upon since there are so many homeless animals. I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER breed Stewie - even if he were perfect. He's my baby and I think it's wrong to make my baby have puppies. The thought of having puppies makes me sick. I think there is some sort of disconnect between pets and breeder dogs. I don't see them as the same thing. At the same time, I love and respect a lot of the breeders on YT - the knowlegable ones who don't slap two dogs together or breed their pets and the ones who share their wealth of info, experiences, etc. |
The breeder called me back,she said this is the first she has heard of this happening in her litters,that she never would have given me a contract on him as a breeder under 5 lbs if she had any idea this would happen,she offered to give me my money back if I fixed my male if that is what I wanted,she was very upset this happened said all she can think of is it was a throback,does that sound logical or like a lie..I guess my basic question is should I call the babys future parents and tell them what we found out,honesty has always been what I live life by,any ideas as to the truth in this mess |
In my area, the costs vary widely..A puppy that IMO is not worth $500.00 might go for $1800.00. I am not sure why the person would pay so much for such poor quality unless they have not done their homework. If that is the case, they deserve what they get. That is not to say that the breeder has no responsibility for the quality-we are the only ones who DO have that responsibility. But, these live animals live for 15 years and become complete individuals in their own rights based, in part, on their environment. I sometimes find it hard to be sympathetic to a caller who says "I bought htis puppy from the ________pet store and it has been sick since I got it. Bad hair, poor bite, LP and so on. Vet bills already in the thousands and the puppy is still sick!" I ALWAYS ask how much research they did into the uniqueness and health problems common in Yorkies...I swear, I try not to blast them, but sometimes I just cannot help it. There is NO excuse for not knowing about puppy mills, PSS, LP,LCP, heart murmur and so on. You don't even have to have a computer--just watch TV for goodness sake. Animal Planet is informative as well as entertaining. I am getting calls from panicked husbands just starting to look for that Yorkie their wife has been wanting for a long time and he decided this Christmas is the perfect time to give that precious soul. Well, buy a sweet stuffed Yorkie, give your loved one the toy and an IOU so that you(and SHE) can select at a more leisurely pace and research more thoroughly..Everyone will thank you in the long run.. |
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I hope I have all the "breeders" who breed nonstandard dogs thinking that I'm talking about them :) (because I AM!) |
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I started this post, and like another poster mentioned, I, too, am very grateful that everyone has stepped up to the plate with positive, helpful, and educational information. I was a little worried that it might cause some distention - and end up being "closed" before it got started. Wouldn't this be the perfect thread for someone to read who hasn't gotten their Yorkie yet. There is so much helpful information here. I want to mention also that I have a growing respect for those of you who are reputable breeders, who love the breed, and who are doing all you can to help these wonderful little guys maintain their wonderful qualities. It is so important that there are a lot of you at work to ensure that the delightful little Yorkie continues to be what it should be. My thanks to all of you. (And - I am saying this with a little fellow that is probably far from perfect .. but still a great pet.) Carol Jean |
I do not understand why people breed dogs just "because they are so cute". Yes, all puppies are cute, but that gives no excuse to breed them right and left when no breed standards are being met. If you would like a pet Yorkie, visit rescues and humane societies. Yes, I did get Tucker from a byb, and I love him to death but regret supporting his breeder's operation. I do not understand when people are against the idea of rescuing an older dog (sometimes just a year old) because they want it as a puppy. Dog are only puppies for so long. They do grow up, and if you really love them the age won't make a difference. It is the greatest feeling giving a helpless animal a second chance. This is why I think the only breeders (of any breed of dog) should breed to better the exact standard. There are too many dogs in the world as it is, I don't think breeding just because a pet Yorkie you have is just so cute is really an excuse for adding to the problem. |
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http://www.shooterdog.com/alexfaq2.htm#FIND this website was very helpful to me when I was researching. I appreciated her description of breeders. |
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