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normarae63 11-07-2012 05:08 PM

Hachi: a Dog's Tale
 
Anyone else watching Hallmark channel tonight? They're showing dog movies. :)

yorkietalkjilly 11-07-2012 05:15 PM

I will never watch that movie again. The way it ended is too, too sad. That is one of the saddest endings EVER! Can't do it again. Poor, poor, poor Hachi. And they just left him there waiting. I could & would have taken that poor dog and given him another life. Of course he didn't want to go - he' a dog - but if only someone - say the guy's daugher - had made him, he would have come to love a good, loving home with fun, some slow walks, a place by the fire, loving talk, cuddles and a good chew bone. Sad, sad story.

normarae63 11-07-2012 05:20 PM

Uhm...you know the commercial for swiffers where tbe mom gets to read a book...you just played the daughter's part! ;)

Thanks though, if it's that sad maybe I don't wanna watch! (It just started)

Tessa327 11-07-2012 05:21 PM

I saw it twice and my heart broke for that dog. I gravitate towards happy movies but not anything like Beverly Hills Chihuahua. lol

yorkietalkjilly 11-07-2012 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by normarae63 (Post 4050528)
Uhm...you know the commercial for swiffers where tbe mom gets to read a book...you just played the daughter's part! ;)

Thanks though, if it's that sad maybe I don't wanna watch! (It just started)

LOL. Well, it was a true, but sad story in reality and when they redid the story for that movie, they kept the story ending like the real story. I like dog stories that end well and leave me happy not wanting to get inside my TV and do something about what is going on in there! LOL.

normarae63 11-07-2012 05:31 PM

I rarely watch television so I haven't seen any of these dog movies. I saw Richard Gere & thought it'd be upbeat.
*sigh*

yorkietalkjilly 11-07-2012 05:37 PM

Sorry I wouldn't have posted anything if you had said in your OP you hadn't seen it. It is worse ending than Marley and Me - that was normal. But since all doglovers know the story of the real Hachi, it gives you a good idea of how this one ends - very heartbreakingly. But I just didn't think they would follow that story so closely for an American audience. I was bummed even the next day! It was so bad I won't ever watch it again. Unless you like very sad movies about pets, I wouldn't watch it.

normarae63 11-07-2012 05:44 PM

Oh no. I meant it when I thanked you.

I don't know the story behind the movie since I'm relatively "new" to being a dog person. I had cats all my life but Tuffy is my first dog.

yorkietalkjilly 11-07-2012 05:51 PM

Oh, whew! Well, I'm a tenderhearted person when it comes to dog and pets and a show that ends with an old dog dying alone outside in the weather and pining over its dead owner, with the former owner's daughter and the whole village just letting him stay there waiting alone for his dead owner, it's awful. I mean they stopped by and visited him, fed him, etc. but walked away and just left him. Night would come and there he would wait and wait and wait - night after night after night. I would have taken that poor dog, gotten him good vet care for an elderly dog, and given him a warm, loving rest of his life and walked him frequently to where he waited for his former owner but then back home where a warm dinner by the fire awaited and a warm bed inside and lots of hugs. Heck, he could have slept with me in my own bed if he preferred. I know any dog would prefer to live out his last days in the warmth of a loving home. Hachi deserved better in real life and in that movie!

Britster 11-07-2012 07:06 PM

I loved it, but it was terribly sad. But an amazing story of loyalty and the bond between human and dog! Tearjerker for sure though, I cried more during that than Marley & Me!

Britster 11-07-2012 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4050561)
Oh, whew! Well, I'm a tenderhearted person when it comes to dog and pets and a show that ends with an old dog dying alone outside in the weather and pining over its dead owner, with the former owner's daughter and the whole village just letting him stay there waiting alone for his dead owner, it's awful. I mean they stopped by and visited him, fed him, etc. but walked away and just left him. Night would come and there he would wait and wait and wait - night after night after night. I would have taken that poor dog, gotten him good vet care for an elderly dog, and given him a warm, loving rest of his life and walked him frequently to where he waited for his former owner but then back home where a warm dinner by the fire awaited and a warm bed inside and lots of hugs. Heck, he could have slept with me in my own bed if he preferred. I know any dog would prefer to live out his last days in the warmth of a loving home. Hachi deserved better in real life and in that movie!

Did we watch the same movie?! They tried to give the dog a home a few times... they couldn't keep him inside without escaping and running back to his 'spot'! Not to mention, this was in the 20's (in real life), a very different times for dogs. He did not WANT to be in a house, or with anybody else.

yorkietalkjilly 11-07-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4050650)
Did we watch the same movie?! They tried to give the dog a home a few times... they couldn't keep him inside without escaping and running back to his 'spot'! Not to mention, this was in the 20's (in real life), a very different times for dogs. He did not WANT to be in a house, or with anybody else.

That woman didn't try. She didn't engage with that dog, try to teach him things, take him in the car, to the park, try to bond with him. She stuck him in her yard and put out food. I'm talking about rehabbing a dog with a hurt spirit who doesn't understand where his former owner is. They can be brought out of that obsession to stick with the only love they have known by somebody that loves and works to help the dog. Nobody really tried to show hi another life awaited him! Nobody!

yorkietalkjilly 11-07-2012 07:17 PM

Same was true with real Hachi and Greyfriars Bobby. People thought all that "loyalty" was noble and wonderful. It was bloody sad and lonely for the dog that nobody really worked at really showing them another life could be had - another real bond, other loyalty.

AllDogBoots 11-07-2012 07:34 PM

You definitely need to watch Hachi!!! (once).

yorkietalkjilly 11-07-2012 07:49 PM

Hahaha. True. Once is all a doglover can take. In the movie, that poor old arthritic thing needed someone who really cared enough to intervene, lots of TLC, some Rimadyl, a raised, heated, soft bed, nutritious meals other than hotdog handouts, some good caring behavior reshaping and he could have died in his warm bed overnight or painlessly in someone's loving arms at the vet, being told how loved he was as he passed on. Hachi was worth real help in life and in that movie, not idealism. I'd have loved that movie if a real doglover had come along, petitioned the court for ownership and taken him in to help him make the difficult transition to a new life filled with love and gentle, interesting things for him to do. A true doglover could have gotten even young Hachi to play fetch and wouldn't have let him run loose!

yorkietalkjilly 11-07-2012 08:44 PM

I apologize for going all OT about a movie character but any movie or story that depicts true animal neglect by misguided people and an animal left to suffer alone for years because it has some issues is awful to me. The writer of that movie script preferred to idealize the dog's sad, sad plight rather than showing anyone truly stepping up to help a dog in need in today's world and that kind of blarney keeps some of the public thinking dogs sometimes need to just be left to their own devices in certain situations. If you ever see a dog left out alone who rebuffs simple attempts to catch him or help, please try to see that he gets some real help from a breed or other rescue organization and don't think he's just another Hachi being noble in his aloofness. He needs rescue and a forever home with an involved doglover who will help transition him with gentle guidance. Hachi the movie tells a true but sad tale that shouldn't be repeated by a community in this day and time.

MidnightUnicorn 11-07-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4050655)
Same was true with real Hachi and Greyfriars Bobby. People thought all that "loyalty" was noble and wonderful. It was bloody sad and lonely for the dog that nobody really worked at really showing them another life could be had - another real bond, other loyalty.

Agreed.

Personally, I had a similar situation when I got Tatiana. She was three years old when I got her. She grew up with her breeder (and her parents, plus several other yorkies) her whole life. I was worried Tatiana would miss her original owner and her past life. Dogs could be so loyal.

I worked hard to give Tatiana a new, positive life. She was family, and treated that way. She was included in ALL aspects of our life, even vacations and social events. Also, I spared no effort (nor expense) for her wants, comforts, and needs.

I love Tatiana, and she loves me back. I am so grateful for this.

It's saddening that no one made that effort with Hatchi. :(

yorkietalkjilly 11-07-2012 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MidnightUnicorn (Post 4050732)
Agreed.

Personally, I had a similar situation when I got Tatiana. She was three years old when I got her. She grew up with her breeder (and her parents, plus several other yorkies) her whole life. I was worried Tatiana would miss her original owner and her past life. Dogs could be so loyal.

I worked hard to give Tatiana a new, positive life. She was family, and treated that way. She was included in ALL aspects of our life, even vacations and social events. Also, I spared no effort (nor expense) for her wants, comforts, and needs.

I love Tatiana, and she loves me back. I am so grateful for this.

It's saddening that no one made that effort with Hatchi. :(

Oh, I'm so glad you foun Tatiana and she found you! Wonderful story, wonderful outcome.

Yes, Hachi the movie sends a bad message about what to do with shut down dogs. The movie character Hachi seemed pretty shut down already throughout the movie, without much of a life for a working dog and seeming to prefer to be outside alone in the yard than in with his humans. You could see he was a dog who didn't really trust people that much so he mostly avoided much interaction with them. His owner and the family never did really try to correct that much or give him a job as I recall until he made one for himself, escorting daddy to and from the train station. That gave him responsiblity, something to do and he couldn't let it go even when it was all over. He kept waiting for the job to resume as he did seem to love his "work", his purpose in life, got depressed, aged fast. And when he proved resistant to change, he was just given up on after a while rather than patiently & persistently being given new work to do, insisting on having him nearby to talk to throughout the day and interact with as chores were done, actively involved in daily activities of the new family life.

If brought along right, that dog could have learned to like being around and interacting with people, learned to trust and love again. He could have had another life. So it's a sad movie in that the message sent to the viewer is misguided on how to deal with an apparently depressed, shut down dog that's given up on life.

MidnightUnicorn 11-08-2012 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4050740)
Oh, I'm so glad you foun Tatiana and she found you! Wonderful story, wonderful outcome.

Yes, Hachi the movie sends a bad message about what to do with shut down dogs. The movie character Hachi seemed pretty shut down already throughout the movie, without much of a life for a working dog and seeming to prefer to be outside alone in the yard than in with his humans. You could see he was a dog who didn't really trust people that much so he mostly avoided much interaction with them. His owner and the family never did really try to correct that much or give him a job as I recall until he made one for himself, escorting daddy to and from the train station. That gave him responsiblity, something to do and he couldn't let it go even when it was all over. He kept waiting for the job to resume as he did seem to love his "work", his purpose in life, got depressed, aged fast. And when he proved resistant to change, he was just given up on after a while rather than patiently & persistently being given new work to do, insisting on having him nearby to talk to throughout the day and interact with as chores were done, actively involved in daily activities of the new family life.

If brought along right, that dog could have learned to like being around and interacting with people, learned to trust and love again. He could have had another life. So it's a sad movie in that the message sent to the viewer is misguided on how to deal with an apparently depressed, shut down dog that's given up on life.

Agreed.

Also, thank you for your kind words about Tatiana. Incidentally, it took a while for her to bond with me. Did you know it took a year for her to wag her tail at me? While she trusted me early on (and was affectionate), she didn't get attached to me until about a year. I thought she was a rare dog that didn't wag its tail (until she did it a year later). I was shocked (and thrilled) when it happened.

yorkietalkjilly 11-08-2012 10:46 AM

Oh, that is such a good, good story of how you stuck with Tatiana, brought her along when she clearly couldn't trust you much at first. But with patience and loving persistence on your part, she's found her new owner is a wonderful person and is now learning to be a dog again!!! You've given her a new reason to live. You are both blessed so much. Cant help smiling about that wagging tail. That alone says so much.

MidnightUnicorn 11-08-2012 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4051041)
Oh, that is such a good, good story of how you stuck with Tatiana, brought her along when she clearly couldn't trust you much at first. But with patience and loving persistence on your part, she's found her new owner is a wonderful person and is now learning to be a dog again!!! You've given her a new reason to live. You are both blessed so much. Cant help smiling about that wagging tail. That alone says so much.

Thank you. You are very kind.

MidnightUnicorn 11-08-2012 11:27 AM

Yorkietalkjilly, you're going to laugh. But I truly thought Tatiana was unable to wag her tail because she had her tail docked. I thought perhaps there was possible nerve damage. Imagine my shock when a year later, that stump wagged like a propeller. She did it when I was picking her up. I screamed for my husband. :)

TxVicki 11-08-2012 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by normarae63 (Post 4050520)
Anyone else watching Hallmark channel tonight? They're showing dog movies. :)

I watched it. Very sad at the end.

Teresa Ford 11-08-2012 05:03 PM

I love dog movies but REALLY want a happy ending. Still I cry every year when we bake cookies and watch Old Yeller, and Where the Red Fern Grows , when we have our Disney marthon night, two weeks before Christmas,

yorkietalkjilly 11-08-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Teresa Ford (Post 4051318)
I love dog movies but REALLY want a happy ending. Still I cry every year when we bake cookies and watch Old Yeller, and Where the Red Fern Grows , when we have our Disney marthon night, two weeks before Christmas,

Oh, gosh, those are sad, too. But at least OY had his puppies and that relief. Can't recall much about "Red Fern..." but remember it was sad, too. Got to watch that again. Even if the pet dies in the end, if he's loved and with a family and cared for, it's more natural and acceptable somehow than what poor old Hachi went through in real life and in that sad sad movie. I turned over there for a second last night and saw that beautiful dog actor playing Hachi. He was magnificent looking. What a beauty!

gracielove 11-08-2012 07:24 PM

I had read the story line of that movie and did not watch it. I get too emotional about these things. I agree that the very idea of turning one's back on a dog in trouble is repulsive to me. Someone warmed me about in advance about the Marlea and Me movie and I stayed away. There is enough hurt and disappointment in life without paying to watch some more. I have had to say good bye to some wonderful pets and don't especially want to relive it through someone else's experience. I guess movie makers feel they have done their job well if they can rip the heart out of you by the time they are done. Not for me. I don't watch many movies anymore.

Belle Noir 11-09-2012 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4051041)
Everything yorkietalkjilly said about Hachi

I'm with you 100%. The movie actually made me mad. I wanted to yell at his family, reach through the screen and smack them or shake them or something. Even realizing that times were different then, it's still frustrating that these animals were neglected, and left lost and confused waiting for that loved one that never came home to them.

yorkietalkjilly 11-09-2012 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MidnightUnicorn (Post 4051068)
Yorkietalkjilly, you're going to laugh. But I truly thought Tatiana was unable to wag her tail because she had her tail docked. I thought perhaps there was possible nerve damage. Imagine my shock when a year later, that stump wagged like a propeller. She did it when I was picking her up. I screamed for my husband. :)

That is funny but you didn't know! My Tibbe isn't much of a happy-tail wagger, he wags his tail when he is chasing something or "getting" one of his toys, really biting and attacking it!

yorkietalkjilly 11-09-2012 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Belle Noir (Post 4051684)
I'm with you 100%. The movie actually made me mad. I wanted to yell at his family, reach through the screen and smack them or shake them or something. Even realizing that times were different then, it's still frustrating that these animals were neglected, and left lost and confused waiting for that loved one that never came home to them.

You, too? Such a terrible thing to do to a big old wonerful, loyal guy - just leave him out there waiting, wondering, sad and alone for years until he dies when he was too shut down to try to trust again on his own without. He needed some emotional rehab showing him how to love and live again. Even in a movie it was awful to me to send that message this day and time. :(

xFoxyx 11-09-2012 07:48 AM

I cried for two days over this movie. I can\'t watch it ever again!!


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