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CouversMom 10-26-2012 07:44 AM
My male has his AKC papers. The only reason I sent them in was to support the registry. My female isn't registered with any registry and I couldn't care any less :p Papers don't mean much to me because I plan on keeping my dogs as pets... Not showing or breeding them.

gloriajean 10-26-2012 09:10 AM
My dog..
 
i gave my sister a female yorkie with the understanding she would get her spayed, well after 1 year she wsn't spayed and I told her i was going to take the dog back, she wasn't interested in breeding her or anything like that she just didn't want her to be to sleep , I understood her worries but i had the paper work proving she was mine and when i reminded her of that the dog got spayed right away.

Nancy1999 10-26-2012 10:01 AM
I registered Joey with the AKC because I believe in what they are doing and what they are trying to accomplish, I think not only breeders should support them, but also pet owners. Our money is used for many good things including search and rescue, and kennel inspections. The AKC is the only registry in the USA that does routine unannounced inspections. I would not support a breeder who registered with one of the "paper" registries and I certainly wouldn’t register my dog with them. I believe that they encourage people to illegally breed. People who have no breeding rights can register their offspring with them. Since they will register anything, I don't see how that would stand up as "proof" in any court of law. You don't even have to have a dog to register it with them. Microchip if you want proof!

chachi 10-26-2012 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4041381)
I registered Joey with the AKC because I believe in what they are doing and what they are trying to accomplish, I think not only breeders should support them, but also pet owners. Our money is used for many good things including search and rescue, and kennel inspections. The AKC is the only registry in the USA that does routine unannounced inspections. I would not support a breeder who registered with one of the "paper" registries and I certainly wouldn’t register my dog with them. I believe that they encourage people to illegally breed. People who have no breeding rights can register their offspring with them. Since they will register anything, I don't see how that would stand up as "proof" in any court of law. You don't even have to have a dog to register it with them. Microchip if you want proof!
Nancy I believe in akc Too but i dont see the harm in registering with the alternatives as proof of ownership. a judge doesnt know or care what the registry registers they would just see it as they bought a yorkie registered with that registry. Not everyone likes to microchip

carmen in nj 10-26-2012 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 4041438)
Nancy I believe in akc Too but i dont see the harm in registering with the alternatives as proof of ownership. a judge doesnt know or care what the registry registers they would just see it as they bought a yorkie registered with that registry. Not everyone likes to microchip
you just took the words out of my fingers..:p, proof of ownership is just that, proof of ownership, not lineage, pedigree, etc.. but we know that is a LOT of dogs registered with the lesser registries, and I do believe now that proof of ownership is important, microchip is good but not everyone does, that is why MY puppies leave my HOME with a microchip already implanted. if they don't want one so one of my puppies is out of the question. Education in ownership of a dog should be part of a good breeder talk to their posible parents. I did to Zoey's and they never did register her so my new policy is I register the chip for them and just will charge them the fee.. starting with this new litter..
hugs,

Nancy1999 10-26-2012 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 4041443)
you just took the words out of my fingers..:p, proof of ownership is just that, proof of ownership, not lineage, pedigree, etc.. but we know that is a LOT of dogs registered with the lesser registries, and I do believe now that proof of ownership is important, microchip is good but not everyone does, that is why MY puppies leave my HOME with a microchip already implanted. if they don't want one so one of my puppies is out of the question. Education in ownership of a dog should be part of a good breeder talk to their posible parents. I did to Zoey's and they never did register her so my new policy is I register the chip for them and just will charge them the fee.. starting with this new litter..
hugs,
I really don't understand, how would registering the dog with the Continetial Kennel Club prove ownership? You can register a table with them and say it's a dog.

carmen in nj 10-26-2012 12:18 PM
I have never registered a table with them but I take your word for it, but in the case of the Pledgman family, I am not sure but I think their silky Tink came from a store and it was APRI, now this is me guessing, ok, they were able to show that that dog of that description belong to them, and the judge gave them the dog back, I have no reason to doubt their story, so I beleive it.
I guess is the same that I can proof I live in my address by showing an unopen letter with my name on it, to motor vehicle.
as long as they show proof that a dog of that description was sold to them and registered to by JOE SMOE , with their name and address printed on, is proof of ownership. And the same way we register the chips on the dogs proof they are ours...
hugs,

tinalove 10-26-2012 12:19 PM
Both of my girls have AKC papers. When I registered Khloe this year, I also opted to get her pedigree . I often wonder about the AKC papers because I once heard its just means they are registered. I think all of us here will say it doesn't matter. I would not love my girls any less if they didn't have papers.

carmen in nj 10-26-2012 12:24 PM
Well in my humble opinion those papers also proof that your dogs are YOURS in case anything would happen..
that is why I tell my puppy parents is important to register their dogs so they can proof is their dog. I better be safe than sorry in an emergency..
hugs,

Nancy1999 10-26-2012 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by carmen in nj (Post 4041456)
I have never registered a table with them but I take your word for it, but in the case of the Pledgman family, I am not sure but I think their silky Tink came from a store and it was APRI, now this is me guessing, ok, they were able to show that that dog of that description belong to them, and the judge gave them the dog back, I have no reason to doubt their story, so I beleive it.
I guess is the same that I can proof I live in my address by showing an unopen letter with my name on it, to motor vehicle.
as long as they show proof that a dog of that description was sold to them and registered to by JOE SMOE , with their name and address printed on, is proof of ownership. And the same way we register the chips on the dogs proof they are ours...
hugs,
Yeah, but you don't really know why the judge gave the dog back, I really doubt it simply because they registered with APRI, and that is the registry that offers free registration to commercial breeders, I hope no pet owner gives them any money at all. Pictures, vet records, registration with county and rabies vaccine all would give you more proof. If we give these paper registries money, we are supporting and approving of them.

Teresa Ford 10-26-2012 01:21 PM
Why registering is important.
# 1 Like a bill of sale, registry papers prove ownership (wow do I hate that word ownership, like Yorkies are a sofa or pair of shoes)
# 2 Pparticipation in some AKC events, is only open to registered dogs.
# 3 Rregistration fees support many programs
# 4 Breeding programs must keep precise records and pedigrees, registries do this

carmen in nj 10-26-2012 01:26 PM
LOL, I just realized is like our kids birth certificate...LOL ok, yes, look at the registration papers as the dogs birth certificate where it shows their name and yours to proof that like your skin kids they belong to you.. better than proof of ownership..LOL

aliciagee 10-26-2012 01:31 PM
my breeder told me also to get them but im kinda like im not going to breed im not gonna show her so why so important but since u all have made a point about proof of ownership i think i will just to know she will always be mine. no one can claim her. thank godness! i just didnt wanna be the one missing out

Nancy1999 10-26-2012 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 4041438)
Nancy I believe in akc Too but i dont see the harm in registering with the alternatives as proof of ownership. a judge doesnt know or care what the registry registers they would just see it as they bought a yorkie registered with that registry. Not everyone likes to microchip
I didn't see your reply. I do believe that the alternative registries are harmful, because they allow breeders with no breeding rights to register their puppies. This is the same as thief, they were sold dogs with no breeding right, but breed them anyway. This in turn, prompts some breeders to neuter much too early, which can be harmful to dogs. Secondly, anyone who buys a dog from these alternative registries may breed them and we all know that not every dog should be bred. So this causes even more backyard breeding. Thirdly, these registries, especially the ones founded by the commercial breeders have no real kennel inspections; it's like the wolf guarding the chicken coop. I strongly believe that no one should support these registries, and some of them, with their look-alike names, for example, the Continental Kennel Club chose their name so that they would be mistaken for the reputable, Canadian Kennel Club, and I’m sure this was merely to deceive the puppy buyer. Most breeders give a bill of sale, and this should prove ownership.

chachi 10-26-2012 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4041520)
I didn't see your reply. I do believe that the alternative registries are harmful, because they allow breeders with no breeding rights to register their puppies. This is the same as thief, they were sold dogs with no breeding right, but breed them anyway. This in turn, prompts some breeders to neuter much too early, which can be harmful to dogs. Secondly, anyone who buys a dog from these alternative registries may breed them and we all know that not every dog should be bred. So this causes even more backyard breeding. Thirdly, these registries, especially the ones founded by the commercial breeders have no real kennel inspections; it's like the wolf guarding the chicken coop. I strongly believe that no one should support these registries, and some of them, with their look-alike names, for example, the Continental Kennel Club chose their name so that they would be mistaken for the reputable, Canadian Kennel Club, and I’m sure this was merely to deceive the puppy buyer. Most breeders give a bill of sale, and this should prove ownership.
How many people keep their bill of sale I didnt. Also the money that they get from pet owners is peanuts they make their money from the breeders. It is the breeders registering withthese registries thats the problem not the pet owners


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