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Wireless Petfence collar I have a small (2.7 lb) 4 month male Yorkie. We live on an acre lot and he has just started sprinting away. Any thoughts on using an electric collar to show him his boundaries at this age? I bought one, and have adapted it to fit his small body but not 100% sure about the shock.... I have a small child in the house that will let the puppy out without notice so a leash and collar are not always an option thoughts? |
I would throw away the electric collar and fence in a small section of your property or walk him on a leash whenever you go out. An electric fence will not keep out predators like neighborhood dogs, coyotes or other animals that can hurt him. It's not worth risking your pup's life. Please don't use an electric collar/fence as a containment system. |
Maybe you should try the shock on yourself to see what you think about it. If you don't like it then I don't think you should put it on a tiny dog. Those things are made for medium to large dogs not tiny babies. |
Additionally, a very agitated or excited dog can plow right through the shock barrier if they get too riled up ! |
I would suggest you get your money back. If its something that you had to "adapt" to fit his small body them obviously it's not meant for such a small body. I too had a small child he's 5 now and we taught him some good lessons one of which was never let Georgie outside leave that to Mommy and Daddy. |
I can think of NO reason to use a wireless fence with a Yorkie...and would never consider it...and I HAVE a wireless fence...and collars. I used it briefly years ago (like 14-15) with a dog that was an emaciated 75 lb rescue who filled back out to 120+ lbs under our care...and only then to protect him from getting into a busy road...and allow meter readers access to the meters. We were 'holding' this dog...who we ended up having until he passed last February...helping out a rescuer. He was trained (in 1 hour, actually) to the "beep" but felt the correction twice...the beep was actually all the correction he needed and he stayed farther from the boundary than 10 feet at all times. They are incredibly smart, but I cannot see either of my Yorkies acting like that dog. :p There is no way I'd use a wireless fence on a 30 lb Yorkie, an 8 lb Yorkie, or a 2.7 lb Yorkie. Ever! JMHO but a wireless fence will not protect the Yorkie from the biggest threats to the dog, and that little stubborn streak they can have (and you know the one I mean...lol) could render him 'invincible enough to run 'devil-may-care' through the boundary, prey-driven...the correction only lasts a short time, and if the Yorkie can withstand it, he doubtful will re-enter the boundary to receive the correction again. Like I said...JMHO though! :D |
Totally agree. I wouldn't use it on a yorkie. As said, it will not keep others out of the fenced area. I have 5 homes in my neighborhood of 14 homes and constantly see their dogs roaming around. Granted these animals are much larger than a yorkie (New Foundlands and Springer Spaniel and mixed breed bigger dog) but at the same time it illustrates that dogs can and do get out and therefore, they would also be able to get into "my fenced" yard where my 5ish pounds babies would be. I would definitely rethink having an electric fence as well as the shock with wearing the collar. |
I would build a fence. Those collars can do a lot of damage especially to a small dog. It also will not keep things from coming in your yard and attacking and killing your dog or people from taking your dog. The people I have known who have those electric fences have had there dogs take the shock a few times to go after something they really really wanted two had there dogs killed by getting hit by a car. I'm thinking its not really safe for your small child to be going out by there self either so maybe higher locks on the doors would also help. |
personally i would not use an electric collar of any kind on any dog, especially a tiny dog like a yorkie. |
Please listen to the good advice others have given you. Invisible fences systems are not the right thing for yorkies. I had one on my golden retriever and he did wonderful, but he weighed 100lbs. I've shocked myself accidentally many times on his collar and believe me, IT HURTS! If I had that on my yorkie, it would seriously traumatize him, maybe worse. No way he could take it. Also, there is a very real threat of hawks, owls and even other dogs that can injure and kill small dogs that are left unsupervised and unprotected outside. |
He's way too small for those collars. Build a small fence (you can also buy a puppy gate) and put it in front of the door :) In case the dog gets out he can't get far ! Teach the child to never open the outside door without speaking to you first, then the dog won't go out, I have a little sister she was 2 years old when we got Fido, we never had a problem with him getting out, only about once or twice, but that was kind of my own fault. |
You could also put a lock on the door above where your child can reach so only you or some other adult can open the door. If you have to get up to let the child out then you can add that to your exercise program. You could kill a puppy with one of those shocks. |
I get all of the advice, I understand totally where you are coming from. We are going to use the shock collar to teach boundaries. I have read on several web sites that once they learn it, you dont even need the collar anymore. I am just unsure about the size of him and the use of it. My question is if anyone has any experience with using one..... thanks :) |
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Some people down the road from me purchased an invisible fence for their medium sized dog this year. They put all the boundary stakes up and put the collar on the dog. A sign was up indicating that the dog was in training. That was 4 months ago. The dog still sits tied up in the yard when it is out. I would also still advise trying the shock on yourself to gauge the amount of shock you are putting into the tiny body of a puppy. It would seem putting a lock on your door would be much kinder than doing this to a puppy. |
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You will not find anyone here (I hope) that uses a shock collar on their Yorkie. Most people here stress positive reinforcement training of which a shock collar is not. I hope you will check around on here and find alternatives to a shock collar. Georgie is 7 years old and wouldn't leave our side let alone the yard. |
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I have to wonder why you seem to be hoping for minds and opinions other than your own to change. The wireless fence company engineers may be able to offer further advice, given you have made alterations, and intend to use their product, modified by you, on your 2.7 lb Yorkie. |
I'm confused. Don't most of those collars state not for dogs under 10lbs anyways? I cannot imagine using it on my 16lb dog, let alone a 2.5lb dog! I think electric/wireless fences have their place. I dogsit two Golden Retrievers, and they have a huge yard... the dogs are already very naturally inclined to stick by and I don't think they'd ever run, even without the fence. But the fence/collar is worn just for extra security. But again, they are big dogs, in a culdesac, nowhere near a main road. |
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By the way, some dogs are naturally attuned to territorial boundaries, others...not so much, :p and there are other ways to teach boundaries than with a wireless fence. Even a wireless fence, should you be dead set on using one anyway, requires a good amount of training that may be more difficult to get across to an adventuresome 4 month old Yorkie puppy than putting up a simple physical barrier. A wireless fence is not as simple to use properly as clipping on a collar and letting the dog outside into the 'protected' area. Perhaps you might want to see if you can download an instruction manual for your chosen wireless fence to see their recommendations. A chain lock and some removable velcro'd screening across the opening at the bottom of the 'offending' door may work better to keep both small child and Yorkie puppy in the house and out of danger better than attempting to teach wireless fence boundaries in time to avoid a more serious mishap. Please do understand that there are many alternatives. |
I have a PetSafe Wirless System and so do my parents. Works wonderfully for my Golden. He is a much softer personality than any of my 3 yorkies. It also worked wonderfully for my last golden, Lucky, as well. It is not recommended for dogs under 8 pounds original or 5 pounds for the Stay & play if memory serve me. Your dog is way too small for this type of boundary system especially not for a puppy! Teach your kid not to open door without telling mommy/daddy! If they can let pup out than they are not safe themselves. Baby gates work wonders for yorkies and little kids! Put a hook at the top of the door so that your kid can't open the door. Unsupervised yorkie pup and little kid are a reciped for disaster! Keep the puppy in an X-pen or safe gated area if you can't watch them! Cozy 10 pound yorkie will blow through the system is she feels her pups (Roxy and Lucy) are being threatened! Do to this she is never off leash in an unfenced area. She was trained to the system at 1 point but she blew through the system one day and almost got hit by a car because a Husky was growling and barking at the yorkies. The shock/correction level does not matter to her- Her instinct to protect is stronger for her. She gave birth to ten pups so a little zap means nothing to her. |
Why ask for advice and then ignore it? |
We have friends that tried the wireless fence on their Yellow Lab and he ran through it like it was nothing. But he is a big dog and very intent on running. I can't even imagine a little dog carrying such a device much less suffering the shock. It sounds like the OP wants to use this device rather than training their child or the dog. Problem is the wireless fence does require a lot of training along with the collar. The idea is that the dog learn it's boundaries. Supposedly they get a shock when they move too far into the outer area of the fence. They start by putting stakes into the ground that have a little flag on them so the owner can walk the dog around the boundary over and over as they teach the proper area to the dog. Obedience training comes in here. The shock it's self is supposed to be a reminder and not a total deterrent to leaving the area. If your dog is not obedience trained you are wasting your time and money on an electric fence. A dog that wants to run away will get out. Since the OP will not even take the time to teach a young child about the dangers of opening the door without parental supervision I doubt they want to take the time to train their dog. Putting a small lock latch up high on the door would solve the problem but the OP prefers to do this. I doubt that this would work even if they had a large or medium sized dog since they obviously got the device from someone else without all the material and instructions. If they had taken the time to read the information and study the work involved maybe they would not be considering such a solution. |
I've been on the wrong side of a few issues before, so will just venture forth with this. The Poster was asking for input from folks that are using or have tried the 'electric fence'. Most of the posters have strong opinions, but have not said they have ever installed and used an underground fence. Technically, they don't qualify to post on this thread. First of all, the modern 'electric fence' is not a shock barrier. If you've ever had a 'tens machine' used on you by a chiropractor or physician, you would know it is a muscle stimulator electrode system that at appropriate levels relieves pain -- not creates pain. To be sure, I wouldn't necessarily want to be 'Tens'd' around my neck at an intense level, but there really isn't any way for it to damage me physically. I put in the underground fence, so I feel qualified to post. For my bigger and milder mannered Yorkie (9#), one correction at the lowest level is all it took. He wants nothing to do with the boundaries of the yard and is content to sit in his chair near the sidewalk. I trust him for (very) short periods of time outside in the sun while I clean house and do laundry. My little guy (6#) is another story... He becomes enraged whenever anyone dares walk or run down the street in front of the house or if a neighbor's children begin to play in their own yard. It's as if he is possessed by demons! The fence people said that no dog has challenged the fence for any length of time. My subdivision does not allow fence structures in the front yard, and I don't really have a back yard. Sooo I put in the underground fence. He challenged the fence at increasing levels of correction! Although the fence stops him on three sides of the yard, he continues to run the fence when the neighbors two little boys try to play football in their own yard. I'm dismayed, but have not given up. What is my alternative? He does not train; cannot hear; does not respond to anything when he goes into his rage. I can only try to protect him and my neighbors with a barrier, and my best bet right now is the Underground fence. So please... if you've never tried the underground fence, take a step back for a few minutes; and if you HAVE tried it, whether it was a success or failure, we are interested in your personal experiences. thank you. |
I've been on the wrong side of a few issues before, so will just venture forth with this. The Poster was asking for input from folks that are using or have tried the 'electric fence'. Most of the posters have strong opinions, but have not said they have ever installed and used an underground fence. Technically, they don't qualify to post on this thread. First of all, the modern 'electric fence' is not a shock barrier. If you've ever had a 'tens machine' used on you by a chiropractor or physician, you would know it is a muscle stimulator electrode system that at appropriate levels relieves pain -- not creates pain. To be sure, I wouldn't necessarily want to be 'Tens'd' around my neck at an intense level, but there really isn't any way for it to damage me physically. I put in the underground fence, so I feel qualified to post. For my bigger and milder mannered Yorkie (9#), one correction at the lowest level is all it took. He wants nothing to do with the boundaries of the yard and is content to sit in his chair near the sidewalk. I trust him for (very) short periods of time outside in the sun while I clean house and do laundry. My little guy (6#) is another story... He becomes enraged whenever anyone dares walk or run down the street in front of the house or if a neighbor's children begin to play in their own yard. It's as if he is possessed by demons! The fence people said that no dog has challenged the fence for any length of time. My subdivision does not allow fence structures in the front yard, and I don't really have a back yard. Sooo I put in the underground fence. He challenged the fence at increasing levels of correction! Although the fence stops him on three sides of the yard, he continues to run the fence when the neighbors two little boys try to play football in their own yard. I'm dismayed, but have not given up. What is my alternative? He does not train; cannot hear; does not respond to anything when he goes into his rage. I can only try to protect him and my neighbors with a barrier, and my best bet right now is the Underground fence. So please... if you've never tried the underground fence, take a step back for a few minutes; and if you HAVE tried it, whether it was a success or failure, we are interested in your personal experiences. thank you. |
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She has been taught not to go out the gate...she is just 4mths old. You can train a pup what the boundaries are without shocking their poor little bodies. I would NEVER use those things on my babies....I have three....they all KNOW mommy does not want them going through the gate. I live on a side street with little activity, car wise....they could still be hit by a car, stolen, or taken by predators....to me unsupervised outside is a no no...I am always out there with them. There is no danger of them getting out my front door as I use baby gates to contain them indoors. My house is Grand Central Station as I have 2 university bound boys...when they are home the neighbourhood knows and are constanly stopping by. Please reconsider this electric fence or whatever it is. You would be doing more harm that good...JMO |
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