Yes, the standard Yorkie is UNDER 7 pounds. They are lying to you, LBK408. Sorry to tell you that. Perhaps you can go to small claims court regarding this issue?

Weight:
Must not exceed seven pounds (3.18 kg).

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...orkie+standard

Look online at Tyava.com .... her name is Ava Tyree and she is a wonderful person but very picky about all her babies. Tyava's Wyatt Earp is my Toto's Dad! Ava is in Biloxi, Mississippi showing some of her babies this week-end. Toto is purebred and Ava is fierce about keeping her dogs bloodline pure as this helps to reduce health problems. I believe she will be happy to help you if she can. It's hard to reach her until in the afternoon because she is busy with her babies mornings. Hope this helps.

This is a link to the AKC Breed Standard for Yorkshire Terriers. Note the very last sentence regarding weight.

http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/york.cfm

It infuriates me that these people are such crass liars!!!! By all means, keep good notes of your conversations with them, dates, etc., and take them to court and to the AKC! I would LOVE to see their names published here and on other Yorkie sites, BUT I am not aware of libel laws and these are the kind of people that would probably try to sue you.

AAAAAAAaaaaarrrrrrrrrghhhhhh!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

You go girl!!! :p Wouldn't do for that "so-called" breeder to have a band of Yorkie lovers on her "case"!! :eek: Seriously, I believe they count on the fact that you wouldn't be pet shopping unless you were a dog lover and once you see those sweet babies and one of them "chooses" you that you won't care what the consequences are ... you devote yourself to the pet and that's the end of it!! Most of them are very agreeable that you "return them to the breeder" if it doesn't work out! You get attached and would sooner part with one of your kids! :( Face it .... they got you by the "ying yang"!! :mad:

Just saw on "Animal Planet" a Q&A regarding a man who sued one of these lying breeders .... was awarded the money he paid for the dog! :) That's good ... bad thing is ... who could give the puppy up?? :confused: I think the fair thing would be ... award the purchase price AND get to keep the puppy!! A few times and it might discourage the dishonest breeders out there!! ;)

I sure do agree with ya on that one, Bettye! Why should they get the puppy back? They will just sell it to some other unsuspecting person......AND I think that it should be REPORTED in the newspaper. I think court reports are public record. Newspapers and TV news stations could perform a real service if they reported WHO was committing these frauds. When you buy a puppy, it's a really private thing......We need to find a way to shed some honest light on the breeders. Good breeders won't mind.....they'll encourage it.

Yup, things like that are NEVER in the press. Usually the only time I see resolution to something like this is on local news, when somebody complains to the station, and they try to do an "investigative report" or try to "right the wrong" on it. So perhaps that is one way to get word out if perhaps you have been wronged like that.

What a GREAT idea!! Local TV stations DO often have people who resolve problems........

One of the stations in Birmingham has a reporter who does that!! It's so neat ... so many of the people that's been helped have said ... "I didn't know what to do, so I called Calvin!" :) From what I have seen ... you don't want Calvin after you!!! He always "gets his man"!! :p My Patrick used to work in television news and nothing encourages honesty like that big camera in your face!!! :eek:

First of all, that's not true that if they're bigger they're silkies...I spoke to a vet in California, whom I also sent a picture of my yorkie too(she's 11 lbs)
she said she's definitely a yorkie...just because they're more than 7 lbs. does NOT mean, they're silkie...they used to breed yorkies bigger up to I believe close to 20 lbs. and have downsized them, but they can go back generation...If you have a picture of your baby, e-mail it to me at stratman397@aol.com would love to see a picture...but, don't believe just because it's bigger it's silkie and not yorkie...It is possible they're from the
same litter and that another male got in with the female and bred with her and yours and your moms dog both have the same mother and different
father...I've seen that happen before...

That is for showing ONLY!! You don't show a 12 lb yorkie, and that's just what they shouldn't exceed...but, like people, some of them eat more and weigh more....Please don't make people think they don't have yorkies just because they're bigger...Like I said, I have had mine checked now by 2 vets(one saw mine and the other saw close up pictures), they both said she's definitely pure bred yorkie, but she's bigger...

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I have bred for more then 30 yrs. Unforunately some do grow too larger thent he standard..and they are 100% purebred. BUT if I got oversized Yorkies I would think it time to rethink my breeding program.

It is also very possible to have big amd small in the same litter. My Charlotte has a male and female who are now 4 months old. The male will be every bit of 7 pounds and the female will be a wee 3 pounder. I see it often in the same litter..some pups look nothing like each other.

Toby
 

Keep on this only for PRINCIPAL!! I went thru an experiance with 2 seperate breeders -

BTW _ My Chanel is 9.7 lbs.- ALL YORKIE! I wouldn't trade her for the world! She is my tiny yorkie baby and always will be! The Breeder also stated she would be NO MORE than 6 lbs. Right!

Keep on this - If you go to the AKC they will direct you as I posted on this forum about certain Breeders and their Ethics (NOT ALL BREEDERS - just 2 in Particular!!!) Anyway - they made me so angry - I have 2 letters I am emailing all over and I am not quitting either!!!

So - keep at it cause there is always someone out there who might help or do something about the Mis-representation of Selling Puppies!

If we went to the store - ordered something but got something else - there is recourse - why not with our money when we purchase a dog?

Good luck!

Update from Toby's Mom!
 

Hello all!! and thanks sooo much for the concern, support and info..Now since we last spoke--mom and I went to the breeders house--they had 2 females and 1 male..1 female and the male was shaved so close we couldn't tell anything..and the other one looked like a Yorkie..Toby does look like the dad and at times, now we see where maybe he looks like the supposedly mom. but my Mom heard the dad saying to his 2 teenage kids who were there that they look alike except they just have diff moms..Nooooo....but they gave us the papers on Rocky the dad..and that breeders number as well as the registration,. Now, I called the breeder by coincidence earlier that day before going over because they had an add in the paper and I do want a female. The breeder was VERY informative and has been breeding champions for over 10 yrs..I didn't even know it was one in the same until they gave me the number. Anyway, what she said was--1st Vet's are in the business of health..and unless they have bred Yorkies or any particular breed, they can't beging to know all the information, etc. on that breed. They can't tell by looking at them, there age, IF they are purebred or really a Yorkie, etc. Teeth pattern tells nothing! Some gain and loss teeth earlier or later than expected just like children. As well, unless you know the pedigree history behind the dog, you won't really know the size, or anything of that nature...Anyone who has a kennel name, like Yorkmont Rocky--I'm a dandy too...for example should have the family pedigree information. If it is like Dam Princess Leah IV for example, this is just a pet name, and unless you can find out IF they have a kennel name somewhere in their background, you really won't know anything. The mother makes up 60% of the gene pool so really, your taking a 50/50% by breeding if you don't know anything about the history to determine, size, etc. which they don't recommend. So, if the mothers genes and pedigree history down the line has large Yorkies--maybe the litter will reach back into that gene pool and thus produce a large one even though the dad may be smaller and have a small sizes in his genes. One could be large and the other small, so they really can't tell you anything about the size or shouldn't be selling a certain size because they don't know!..So it doen's mean that they are not both Yorkies..However, THEY should have told me that, and I would not have been expecting a less than 7lb dog. She asked me and mom to take their measurements from the back of the neck to the tail bone and then from the back of the neck down to the floor. Based on that, she said that she would guess that Toby still had some baby fat on him but that he was pretty much probably through growing and should be less than 10 lbs and that Monty still would be growing a little bit more and get to be about 5-6 but certainly not over 9lbs. Then she gave me --wagon wheel pedigree and said that I could go to the website get information and research the pedigrees on the mother and see what or IF we can determine anything before I think about breeding or having puppies. She said that based on her dogs, she knows which ones to mate to have smaller or larger , etc. and she was certainly not trying to sell me anything!..She asked a lot of questions about the temperment that I was looking for in an animal, show quality or not, etc. She said that the DNA would tell only if who they said was the mother and father were truly the mother and father...other than that it would tell nothing...BUT I question this too...so I may fork over the 35.00 and at least get that part done. The original owners seemed to be open to that..but we'll see once I call them to schedule. This other breeder also referred me to a vet in my area that she knows that they know about Yorkies, specifically, she has worked with them and seen them at shows, etc...Sooo...here we have my "Big Kahona"--which is now Toby's nickname--whom I adore..I do want a smaller female yorkie, even if I don't breed them which I won't now until I am a little more informed on Toby's history..It just makes you made when people are selling things that are not representative of what they say--but I take ownership in this too...because I should have done more research. I searched on the breed, temperment, etc. but never learned as much as I did that Sunday!..She also recommended a couple of good books as well!-- The Complete Yorkie, the New Complete Yorkie and the Book of Yorkie-- well you know Yorkshire is spelled out but I would love to pass on any author info IF anyone is interested!...Thanks again and let me know what you all think..
Toby's Mom

questions??
 

I agree with much of what the breeder said. I disagree with her not knowing these boys would be larger. I cannot know the exact weight of each pup at adulthood, but I know a potential 3 pounder from a 7 pounder.
You bought them as pets only, correct? Then they sound like great pets, but I agree you should have gotten what you paid for..small Yorkies.
Many pups look nothing like either parent or other litter mates..same as with humans.
AS to DNA costing $35..that is to regsiter YOUR males DNA with AKC for breeding. If you meant you want to DNA your male to see who the parents are, that will start at $500 with AKC.
Best wishes