This is really it in nut shell, there are good breeders and bad breeders both in purebreds and in mixes. I have had dogs for 24 years, except for the last two years they have been purebred yorkies. I also don't think of myself as a celebrity watcher but when it came time to get a new dog and I knew I wanted something different, I remembered seeing about 10 min of the old reality show with Jessica Simpson, she had a cute little white with some apricot tips dog. I goggled it until I found out what it was, a mati poo, I then I started goggling adult malti poos and saw how different each of them looked and how some people were charging big bucks and that sort of changed my mind. If people don't do that that is not the breeders fault, it's the fault of the stupid uniformed buyer. Many people buy purebreds and are not happy with their temperament or how they look like when they mature. Yorkies have become so overbred there are people that have purebreds that by looking at them I would have thought them to be a mix. I remember hearing once how pure bred dalmatians were often give up, because of how high strung they are.

There are lots of dogs in shelters and if you adobt one I think it is great, but not everyone is approved to adopt or many people are not cut out for the issues that can come with shelter dogs. So it goes without saying a lot of people want puppies, should that not be allowed, should that be outlawed. So where are they supposed to go for dogs, what if they don't want to shell out the money for a dog from a show breeder, what's left, are there really many breeders out there willing to do it for fun and make no money. If you have healthy dogs that are not the same breed is it more of a crime to breed them than two healthy so so looking purebreds, I really don't see the difference. IMHO it is up to the buyer to sort through the abundant info out there and get a dog that suits there need regardless if it is a mutt or a purbred

That's why AKC registration is ONE of the things to look for..not the only thing. The breeder's reputation and quality of breeding stock is equally or more important, IMO.

I actually went to look at a female yorkie puppy of a local breeder just last weekend. It was clear upon pulling into the driveway & seeing some of the dogs in the fenced front yard, that she had poor quality breeding stock. Her puppies came with AKC papers, but it was obvious she was a BYB and was just breeding whatever dogs she had for the cash from the sale of puppies. It was night & day from the home & breeder that ZoE came from, but ZoE is not breed standard either! (she's a teapot :) ) But, she definately looks like a yorkie, and has the terrier temperament, and has an excellent health guarantee and a breeder who's still there as support a year & a half after the sale.

Definition of FREE ENTERPRISE
:" freedom of private business to organize and operate for profit in a competitive system without interference by government beyond regulation necessary to protect public interest and keep the national economy in balance." What is something actually worth? As much as someone is willing to pay for it! Fortunately, in this country, anyone can pay whatever THEY think the product is worth to them. So, if anyone wants to pay $30.00 or $3000.00 for a dog, a cat, a goat...whatever...if that animal is important enough, and desirable enough to THAT person, and they have the where-with-all to fork over the amount, that is a freedom they have not had taken away....there are no "Price Regulators" running around (YET!!!), dictating how much someone can charge for their product, or what someone is allowed to pay for that product!!! (We are not talking about price gouging on items people MUST buy during emergency situations, etc.) If someone crosses a hamster and a Yorkie, says it costs $3000.00 to own one of these "Yorksters", and Joe thinks it is the cutest thing he has ever seen and has the money to buy it, Joe is not being forced to buy this product...he WANTS the Yorkster, and he will pay the price for it.....if I dont like people doing this, and I think Joe is getting skrwed, that is MY right to think that...but it is NOT my right to try to STOP whoever, from charging whatever the public is WILLING to pay to own that product! IF NO ONE LIKES YORKSTERS, AND NO ONE BUYS THEM, THE PRICE WILL PLUMMET, AND THEY PROBABLY WILL NOT BE PRODUCED ANYMORE! (I personally do not like breeding mixes...the pounds and rescues are full of mixes....they are none the less, great little animals, adorable and loving and smart, no less so than any purebreds, and I grew up owning many mixes....never knew dogs were intentionally bred and puppies came with papers....and if I was wanting a mix breed, and I wnted to travel to the Hamptons and buy it from a Kennedy, and they were charging thousands of dollars for it, if I wanted the right to say MY dog came from a Kennedy, from the Hamptons, then I would pay that amount for the freedom to do that! If that was not important to me, I would go to the pound, and save a precious little soul that was looking at their last day on Earth....My intention here is not to defend "greeders" or puppy mills or anyone that does horrible things to animals...I simply do not believe what people pay for something or what people charge for a product, should be regulated and dictated by anyone else. The demand for the product is what should be the driving force of price control. I believe in free enterprise......

I have 2 full blood AKC yorkies. I also have a maltese/yorkie and a shih tzu/yorkie. All 4 are spayed/neutered. Does it matter to me that 2 are purebred....no. I love them all the same.

I see both sides. But, I wouldnt trade my mutts for anything is this world!

So, to be specific about your pups...... was the Maltese and Shi Tzu bred with yorkies for appearance of one and the temperament of the other (or maybe some other mix of qualities) . I know there are breeders who mix them for more moneyand there are "oops litters " but I believe some of them do it for a real purpose and I was curious as to why (like the first labradoodles were bred to get an intelligent "hypo-allergenic" guidedog (I believe this is correct-been a while since I read about that).

The problem is when breeding a mix dog there is no guarantee that it will have such and such from one breed and such and such from the other breed and its just not something a good breeder does. All good breeders breed to better the breed and mixes are not a breed so that can't be done.

WHY do people breed mixed breed puppies ? Some intentional mixed breedings are done because, people think they will be cute and/ or to make money by selling the pups. Less often pure breed dogs of different types are mixed because the breeder is trying to improve health, by eliminating some genetic fault or predisposition to a disease. Even more rare, is a breeder that is trying to create a new breed altogether. Creating a new breed takes many generations of excellent record keeping, and testing. A breed becomes a new breed when all the dogs born have certain consistent traits EVERY time. A true understanding of genetics and scientific research is needed.

Fwiw IMO It's is $$. I 've seen Larbradoodles go for $2k. The Sire and bitch weren't even good standard quality. I'm seen Standard Poodles Champions with health checks all the good stuff and records of breeding go for 1/2 that.
Yes good Laradoodles are getting there own breeding system going. But as with purebred and mixes theres bad breeders and good breeders. I just like the history and health of my pups. And I like Yorkies.

First off, I want to say that I have absolutely NO problem with mixed breed dogs/mutts. Some of them are amazing dogs. I might consider owning one eventually. That being said, it annoys me to no end when people try to brag about their "purebred" morkie-shih-poo-spaniel. I don't really understand the hype about designer dogs myself, but I guess you can sell anything that's "rare" with a fancy name. The only reason that they even exist is because bad breeders can buy cheap dogs that don't apply to the the breed standard, mix them, get cute puppies, and charge a fortune for them. (I mean, who can resist the little puppy face?)

You can have a Yorkie-poo because you want a compromise between Yorkies and poodles, but you have to understand that a mixed breed's traits and temperament can be somewhat unpredictable. (They could act/look like either breed. One breed's traits might not show up at all.) I'm not saying that purebred dogs are better (or worse) than mixed breeds, but they're much more predictable in potential health issues, color, and size. So in conclusion, I think designer dogs are ripoffs, and you're better off at a shelter looking for a mixed breed.

^^ agree^^. Mixed dogs are cool but paying an arm and a leg. And not getting the history,checkups and everything else that comes with a purebreed isn't worth double the $$?? IMO. Sure they can sell to make $$ but the prices I've seen are ridiculous. Guess ppl will pay.
Fwiw some mixed breed dogs I have when I was growing up were some of the coolest smarted dogs I've have.

I sort of posed a question earlier, but I will rephrase it, if someone one wants a non show quality but decent looking yorkie puppy (not rescue) or something similar but can't spend more than $500.00 where should they look? Is it to much to expect to get a healthy dog for around $500.00 I used to think perhaps a mix was the answer but now I hear they are selling for an arm and a leg as well, that was not the case when I bought Lola but perhaps that has changed.

Buying a pup from somebody it's reasonable to spend a few hundred if you get the care . Just when they say designer Morkie and want $1,500. To much imo. While some Morkies are really cute some look funny. But you can get a Yorkie that has Champion parents with a long line of health and breeding history for the same price. Before I got my pup I was going to the shelters. The ones I wanted were taken. I agree with rescuing a pup. But if I'm going to commit to the pup it still has to have traits I like.JMO

To answer your question, in my situation yes it was possible. I got my Heff for 450.00, and a full year health guarantee. I took him to the vet right after I got him, he had a full health check, no worms, no ear mites, and had a good start to his shots, and last but not least he is PERFECT for me. But I do understand that depending on location this is not always possible!

To answer your question, in my situation yes it was possible. I got my Heff for 450.00, and a full year health guarantee. I took him to the vet right after I got him, he had a full health check, no worms, no ear mites, and had a good start to his shots, and last but not least he is PERFECT for me. But I do understand that depending on location this is not always possible!

I paid a whopping $200 for my yorkie mix. I don't have a problem with mixes. I have a problem with the breeders who are trying to glamourize mixes and making a fortune off of them.

Did his parents have health testing?

There is a law in the genetics of purebred dogs. The line will tend to deteriorate unless only the strongest and the most fit are used to continue the line. Even with breeding the most fit in a particular line some will be born that do not carry genes that will pass on the best characteristics of the breed externally as well as health wise. Sometimes a very beautiful specimen of the breed will not be able to reproduce a puppy as nice as it's self. The breeder has to do experimental breeding in order to "prove" a particular dog can produce a good specimen of the breed. It is a complicated time consuming and expensive thing to even maintain the characteristics of the breed. When a puppy is sold as a pet it usually has some flaw that perhaps the untrained eye would not catch but that pup may also carry some other flaws that no one can see. If this puppy is eventually bred with another pet quality dog the breeding will produce offspring that have more flaws externally as well as weaknesses that cannot be seen, like health or temperament. As these animal's offspring continue to be bred the offspring continue to degenerate in both the external and internal issues.

This is why people who are called backyard breeders as well as puppy mills are producing genetically weakened as well as genetically damaged pups. This is not about not liking mixed breeds. It is about the welfare of the dogs as well as new owners. Yes, many of you have obtained a nice backyard breeder pet and that is wonderful but there are many that are buying these dogs and using them for breeding and continuing to produce puppies that look little like the original breed and carry serious health issues. Is it fair to the others who got the sick offspring? Or the person who thought they were getting a particular looking dog and got something else? Some people think they can put one cute dog with another and produce more of the same but it does not work that way.

I am not saying that everyone who shows dogs are producing the best offspring. It is a challenge even for the professionals to continue to produce beautiful healthy dogs. But when you put two pet quality dogs of any breed together it results in a weakening of the offspring. If you choose to disregard the facts and continue to breed poor quality animals you are doing the offspring as well as the new owners a disservice. It breaks my heart to hear and read the stories of people who purchased a sweet little fluffy puppy that quickly showed serious signs of illness and either died or required thousands of dollars in vet bills to help it to live a few years. It is even more tragic when the new owner cannot afford to put out the money for those vet bills. If a person cannot pay more than a couple of hundred dollars for a purebred dog or "designer" dog they should think of the risk they are taking in buying a puppy that may require multiple vet bills just to save it's life. I am an advocate for all animals but I am totally against people who take the breeding of purebred dogs as a game of Russian Roulette.

If you mean genetic testing, not that I am aware of, he is full blood yorkie, not registered and I didn't buy him to breed or to show, I bought him to love! And I have the means to take care of any unexpected vet bills that may arise!

Yes but that's how so many pups are born and suffer with genetic issues is because there not tested. Puppies could avoid suffering from terrible genetic illnesses if every one did genetic testing before breeding. Its not just a few vet bills with certain genetic illnesses its a really serious thing.

The orogonal idea behond hybrids was to create hyppallergentic breeds of apecific qualities, then to breed out certain genetic issues.

Both these failed and greed took over.

Of cpurse many moxes just accidently happened some were cuter than others spme got cute names and if research prevails it was actually pounds and rescuea thay tried to push these cutesy names like chorkie sonce many people weren't as interested in a hybrid called a mut...greeders took this an ran with it.


I have and love my Schnorkie a pup mill rescue mini schnauzer yorkie hybrid, Derik had a whip back...rhodesian ridgeback whippet cross he also rescued frpm a breeder dumping at the hs...seems a male whippet ran many miles from a race kennel to impregnate a ridgevack female newly arrived and in heat from SA...the breeder chose not to abort the mismate hoping to sell the pups as designer...the whole litter ended up at the hs....

Some hybrid took off some havent.

I dont get strange multimixes nonalc like mikis teddy bears and sugar babbies

Agree:thumbup::thumbup:

Lets face it people.... We ALL LOve our babies !

Mixed or not, regardless of how much we paid for them. It just comes down to personal preference of pure breed or mixed and just how much you are willing to pay for either.

YES, this!!!!!!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

I bought Zoe our Shorkie beore I knew anything about mix breeds. I bought her in a pet shop near our home because I fell in love with her. I paid $1300 for her. She is the shaggiest dog I've ever seen. Although we have a pure yorkie, two pure shih tzus and two basset hounds, she was the most expensive of all our dogs. I love all dogs and by the way Zoe has papers on her from her breeder and even if she didn't I don't care.

There arent any officials papers for mixes.

The CKC will register mixes.

Ckc as in continental not canadian will register anything as long as you pay the fees, they are NOT a legitimate registry.

There are several registries that will eegister anything and allow for pedigrees to ve created these registries are not official, legitimate or to be thought of as worth more than the paper they are printed on.

Some will argue what I said...well if as a buyer I can take a pic fill ouy papers and get a dog registered with no real proof of anything then its worthless.

When my breeder mislabled a number on my reg oapers with akc they caught it right away and asked for further proof from both my breeder and myself before allowing the transfer to my name.

Despite a sales contract givibg me registration rights I am appealing to the akc when another breeder refused to send or submit the transfer for another of my dogs.

In America the AKC is the only legitimate registry.

Sure the American Pet Registry is fun your pound rescue pup can get papers but the isssue begins when people think these papers are in anyway official proof of anything.

Oh my. I have a yorkie-poo, 2 pure bred Yorkies ( no Papers ), 2 Sorkie-Poos ( I guess you would call them that their Momma is a Silky and their Daddy is a Yorkie Poo and I have 1 pure bred AKC registered Silky Terrier. Not one of them is better than the other. I love them all the same and I would not trade one of them for anything. The most I paid for any of them was Sadie (Silky). Scooter was rescued from a puppy mill as was Molly and Little Dude Gizmo. Thor and Skatie are the result of my own ignorance but I have learned my lesson. All of my babies are fixed. Just wanted to throw in their that Sadie came from a bad breeder and she has the health issues where the rest of them are all in good health. Go figure she is the AKC registered one : (

Nobody is disputing mixes are good dogs. Just greedy ppl trying pray on the uninformed dog ppl and try to sell them for mega bucks

Very rrue eveb AKC oapers are only as legitimate as the breeder who sibmitted them but at least the AKC will investigate, and revoke registration rights so someone caught being fraudulent.

AKC is pushing more and more for DNA banking but its no where close to required as of now, especially in this economy.