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Yorkiemom1 05-13-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PackOf1 (Post 3916086)
Well, yeah.. that's the other thing I forgot to clarify. We don't plan to sell the puppies if ever. Apart for my concern that she might develop tumors or other medical conditions that has something to do with her uterus, womb, mamary glands etc. when she grows old, the other factor is of sentimental reason... wanting continue her lineage if at all possible. Naturally, I wouldnt consider mating her if her vet didn't agree. At the same time, I still havent really decided on going through with it.

Did I understand this correctly....that she has already had one baby? Since you dont sell the babies, THERE is your "continuation of her lineage"! Where is THAT puppy?? I am interested in her lineage....what specifically is it? It has GOT to be fantastic for you to want to risk breeding such a tiny little lady. I would be interested in her 7th generation....what dogs are there, both top and bottom???

MamaZiggy 05-13-2012 12:30 PM

wow
 
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Originally Posted by PackOf1 (Post 3916094)
Thank you for the advices. I do believe I need to have a thick skin if Im to continue to be part of this group coz I was kinda "shocked" to read such strong opinions despite the fact that I did ask for opinions in the first place. I likewise understand that all that passionate reactions comes from the same love we all feel for our own Yorkies.

Hi and welcome to YT:). I must say from what i have read of this thread (not all) you have taken all the posts really well and have managed to avoid fights. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I wish you the best in whatever you decide, for you and the little one involved

gemy 05-13-2012 01:20 PM

Well in terms of the moderator removing your account, you probably would need to contact them personally.

And you have hi jacked this thread and her question, to speak about what you perceive to be her own angst.

There are many members here, who despite the age of their membership, I would guess spend lots of time searching and reading threads, to educate themselves about how to care for the puppy, how to train, and they might just look at the Breeders forum, or even in the General Forum and assimilate information.

I am personally insulted if you think "I vomit comments". I have been a show breeder for some years now. And personally after losing yesterday a dog to cancer; I have no patience for this type of post.

My response to this poster, including looking up dog clubs in her area of domicile, and trying to encapsulate briefly what can and not be registered with AKC. IS NOT a Vomit Response

Let me end by apologizing to the OP for further taking her original question off track.

MamaZiggy 05-13-2012 01:48 PM

wow, this is so sad, this thread has been brutal, the OP has taken it in her stride and thats the only reason it hasnt become too ugly. Its so sad that we're lossing members because some people refuse to just be respectful, even when disagreeing. *sad*

Lovetodream88 05-13-2012 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3916448)
Well in terms of the moderator removing your account, you probably would need to contact them personally.

And you have hi jacked this thread and her question, to speak about what you perceive to be her own angst.

There are many members here, who despite the age of their membership, I would guess spend lots of time searching and reading threads, to educate themselves about how to care for the puppy, how to train, and they might just look at the Breeders forum, or even in the General Forum and assimilate information.

I am personally insulted if you think "I vomit comments". I have been a show breeder for some years now. And personally after losing yesterday a dog to cancer; I have no patience for this type of post.

My response to this poster, including looking up dog clubs in her area of domicile, and trying to encapsulate briefly what can and not be registered with AKC. IS NOT a Vomit Response

Let me end by apologizing to the OP for further taking her original question off track.

:thumbup: I think you share a lot of info and your posts are very informative. I have learned a lot from you and I hope to continue to do so. I am very sorry for your loss.

bodisat 05-13-2012 08:10 PM

you have not allowed me to defend myself. i believe i did, without ignorance(like most here), and with factual information. Why would you not delete the posts of others?

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JimH 05-13-2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 3915617)
This is something you must reconsider, with NOTHING but the well being of your little Mollyeet first and foremost. You are the only advocate that precious little baby has. Her very existance depends completely on the choices YOU make for her. You must take that responsibility with the seriousness it commands. Breeding these dogs is a crap shoot on a good day. Professionals with years of experience can have problems with breeding. When you have been involved with Yorkies for YEARS, and you know EVERYTHING you can know about your baby, her pedigree and all the dogs in her pedigree, genetic defects that have occured in those dogs, the different lines behind her, THE SIZE OF DOGS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN THROWN BY THESE DOGS BEHIND YOUR BABY, and then you know the same things of the building blocks BEHIND the male you have chosen to breed your baby to, you are about 1/8 the way there. From reading your post, I do not think you have researched that information. Next, you need to know, if your baby weighs less than 4 pounds, you are taking a horrible risk. Your baby should be at least 5 lbs before you even THINK about breeding her. If you breed this tiny little girl, and she carries babies that are GENETICALLY PROGRAMMED to weigh 5 pounds or more, YOU have just given you little girl a death sentence. You can not do this to that baby. You have NO IDEA what you are doing, and I can not imagine why you want to take this terrible risk with a precious little life that adores you and depends on you to make the right decisions for her, so she can live out her God given destiny. Dont take that from her, you owe her more than that.

This post says it all....we happen to own a small female and I think she may finish a little under 4 lbs or close to 4 lbs and if she is under 4.5 or 5.0 lbs you probably shouldn't breed her. We have made the decision to spay our little one for most of the reasons stated above. Very good information, hopefully take heed!

PackOf1 05-14-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MamaZiggy (Post 3916370)
Hi and welcome to YT:). I must say from what i have read of this thread (not all) you have taken all the posts really well and have managed to avoid fights. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I wish you the best in whatever you decide, for you and the little one involved

Thank you.. That's very supportive and kind. :)

PackOf1 05-14-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3916448)
Well in terms of the moderator removing your account, you probably would need to contact them personally.

And you have hi jacked this thread and her question, to speak about what you perceive to be her own angst.

There are many members here, who despite the age of their membership, I would guess spend lots of time searching and reading threads, to educate themselves about how to care for the puppy, how to train, and they might just look at the Breeders forum, or even in the General Forum and assimilate information.

I am personally insulted if you think "I vomit comments". I have been a show breeder for some years now. And personally after losing yesterday a dog to cancer; I have no patience for this type of post.

My response to this poster, including looking up dog clubs in her area of domicile, and trying to encapsulate briefly what can and not be registered with AKC. IS NOT a Vomit Response

Let me end by apologizing to the OP for further taking her original question off track.


I'm confused..... What did I miss? :confused:

MamaZiggy 05-14-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PackOf1 (Post 3917443)
Thank you.. That's very supportive and kind. :)

You're welcome. i hope you do stick around here (despite this thread) and get as much information on breeding as you can, so that if you decide to continue you are well informed and able to do the best for the animals and future owners involved

Tare care:)

Cha Cha 05-14-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PackOf1 (Post 3916086)
Well, yeah.. that's the other thing I forgot to clarify. We don't plan to sell the puppies if ever. Apart for my concern that she might develop tumors or other medical conditions that has something to do with her uterus, womb, mamary glands etc. when she grows old, the other factor is of sentimental reason... wanting continue her lineage if at all possible. Naturally, I wouldnt consider mating her if her vet didn't agree. At the same time, I still havent really decided on going through with it.


I am just a little confused and want to clarify for other members, do I understand you correctly that you and your vet feel having puppies somehow protects them against certain conditions of the reproductive tract? I am asking because my understanding from my vet is the best protection against many of these problems is spay. My own Moka, who has never even seen a male dog, developed pyometra, a very serious uterine infection and it could have been fatal. This is not a condition that affects only older dogs, as she was only 2 years old. Again, sorry if I have misunderstood your post, but I just want other members to understand that spaying their beloved pets can actually protect them from some of these reproductive illnesses which can be very serious.

PackOf1 05-15-2012 05:46 AM

Like I said before, it was my observation base on my personal experience with our pets (and we've had a lot), our female dogs who've given birth to puppies a couple of times passed away naturally compared to some of the females who never gave birth and they developed tumors and cancers. Ofcourse we also had female dog, never gave birth and didnt develop any medical condition. As for spaying, truth be told, I dont recall ever hearing my sister mention the vet suggest that.. Ive heard her talk about vet suggeting nuetering for the male dogs so that they don't go "crazy" when the females are in heat. (Please refer to my earlier post where I wrote most of the our pets are owned by my sister)

Of all the puppies/ dogs we had, prior to Mojo and now with Mollie and Mollyeet, Ive only really owned 2 female dogs. Japanese- Spitz mix named Smoochie who got pregnant twice and died of old age, and Chelsea, a chiuaua-terrier mix, who we didnt mate with any dog but died relatively earlier than Moochie bec. she developed some sort of cancer in her uterus. After Chelsea died, I stopped being emotionally invested in our puppies bec. i felt really sad and i was young. Id help with my sister with the our pets, I play with them but never really "owned" any or played favorite to any of them.

I know what its like to have a pet die on me specially one who had a medical condition and we're doing everything to make her better. I've only started "owning" a pet again... Mojo.. with Mollie and Mollyeet. I do not want to go through the sadness of losing any of our puppies/dogs therefore I will not risk their health or life.

As for Mollyeet, I believe her cycle's about to end and therefore mating her is moot.
I will talk to our vet about spaying and find out his opinion on this matter.

Lovetodream88 05-15-2012 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PackOf1 (Post 3918268)
Like I said before, it was my observation base on my personal experience with our pets (and we've had a lot), our female dogs who've given birth to puppies a couple of times passed away naturally compared to some of the females who never gave birth and they developed tumors and cancers. Ofcourse we also had female dog, never gave birth and didnt develop any medical condition. As for spaying, truth be told, I dont recall ever hearing my sister mention the vet suggest that.. Ive heard her talk about vet suggeting nuetering for the male dogs so that they don't go "crazy" when the females are in heat. (Please refer to my earlier post where I wrote most of the our pets are owned by my sister)

Of all the puppies/ dogs we had, prior to Mojo and now with Mollie and Mollyeet, Ive only really owned 2 female dogs. Japanese- Spitz mix named Smoochie who got pregnant twice and died of old age, and Chelsea, a chiuaua-terrier mix, who we didnt mate with any dog but died relatively earlier than Moochie bec. she developed some sort of cancer in her uterus. After Chelsea died, I stopped being emotionally invested in our puppies bec. i felt really sad and i was young. Id help with my sister with the our pets, I play with them but never really "owned" any or played favorite to any of them.

I know what its like to have a pet die on me specially one who had a medical condition and we're doing everything to make her better. I've only started "owning" a pet again... Mojo.. with Mollie and Mollyeet. I do not want to go through the sadness of losing any of our puppies/dogs therefore I will not risk their health or life.

As for Mollyeet, I believe her cycle's about to end and therefore mating her is moot.
I will talk to our vet about spaying and find out his opinion on this matter.

Your vet should have told you that spaying reduces the risks of cancers and illness and sense he didn't maybe hes not so great. If you have a dog spayed there not going to get cancer in parts that they no longer have. The best way to prevent your dog from getting female cancers is spaying. I am really sad you vet has not told you or your sister that. Having puppies is not the best answer. Breeding should be done to better then breed no just to do.

sugarmamma 05-15-2012 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 3918363)
Your vet should have told you that spaying reduces the risks of cancers and illness and sense he didn't maybe hes not so great. If you have a dog spayed there not going to get cancer in parts that they no longer have. The best way to prevent your dog from getting female cancers is spaying. I am really sad you vet has not told you or your sister that. Having puppies is not the best answer. Breeding should be done to better then breed no just to do.

Taylor, OP lives in The Philippines, things there are not identical to the USA. Please don't assume her vet is "not so great". I agree that spaying is strongly preferred. Cultural differences need to be accounted for, however.

She said she will speak to her vet about spaying. Consider that progress ;)


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