Originally Posted by Teresa Ford (Post 3890862)

I think the written word is much harder to 'read' than a face, or voice tone.

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3890789)

Or that person whos says my rescue yorkies tied 4 times however I wasnt intentionally trying to reed them. Yea right

Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 3890798)

:eek: ok I am being uneducated again lol. I thought all rescues were fixed before placing them.

Originally Posted by Yorkiemomma78 (Post 3890636)

Good advice is always welcome-ALWAYS.
But alot of the time,whilst some people think that they are educating others and being helpful,what they´re doing is being judgemental and basiclly calling them idiots (beleive me,this is how it comes across) ;)
Anyone who has seen a video or read about BYB,puppyills etc is NEVER going to support that kind of thing-NEVER,so coming down on a new owner like a ton of bricks because they have made a mistake that stems from inocent ignorance is not fair.Infact,most of the time,these people feel offended and insulted and they dont come back,so where do they go for help now? kwim? ;)
Example..lets say a person joins and seems to have purchaised puppy from a breeder with a bad reputation.She joins,asks a few questions,mentions the background of her puppy and then BAM,suddenly she´s being attacked and acused of aiding puppymills and supporting BYB...
What exactly do we expect of this person? To give her puppy back? Leave? Take the judging and finger pointing with a pinch of salt? Shall we make her stand in a corner?
Lets face it,once she has her puppy,has fallen inlove with it,lets give her the advice she needs shall we? She made a mistake? Yes! Should we explain why? Yes.But that doesnt mean she has to face post after post of people telling her that she should of done her homework,that she did a terrible thing etc..Im sorry but I dont think thats OK.
There are many ways to get a message across without making someone feel so unwelcome :)
You (in general) care and want to advocate for the puppies,but remember,people who buy a yorkie do it because they love the breed too :)

We all love and advocate for the puppies..everyone who is already here and those who join-All of us.No one buys a puppy and doesnt care.Some people dont start reading about their pup until they buy it,that´s all,and we cant exactly shoot them down for that.I have three kids and I´ve never picked up a book..yet here they are (15,12 and 3 years old)..go figure ;)

To the bolded part fo your post,I asure you that no one comes onto a forum like this expecting everyone else to applaud their desitions,but I dont think they expect to be so harshly judged either,and I hate to think they leave and havent gotten the advice or help they needed to make their puppys life more comfortable kwim? :(

Originally Posted by pinkpatty (Post 3890997)

Amen, I am going back to just reading the posts.

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3890727)

the prolem is what one person sees as rude another sees as direct. I am a direct person and it comes accross in my postings and it could e misconsude as rude when I dont mean it in a rude way. You cant read tone in written posts. I see people called rude just cause they arent aggreeing with the op or they are direct. You can e in disagrieance with someone and not e rude. We are not all going to aggree on here nor should we. This is a forum with alot of different personalities and opinons

Originally Posted by Teresa Ford (Post 3891413)

Laughing my butt off KazzyK810. You have read enough of my posts that you know I teach puppy classes and give talks to childrens about the SPAC and pet care. :)

Originally Posted by DBlain (Post 3890743)

I flip flop on this issue, as some of my posts would certainly attest to. Sometimes I am kind poster and sometimes I am angry one. I find I am less than kind after I have been reading a lot about the sick dogs or other dumb things. I can't help but feel angered by some of these threads by new members especially those that have said in their posts I did a lot of research or I have been reading here for a while. What I should do is just not post on those threads because I refuse to spend a lot of time posting nice welcoming advice things when I feel like screaming you dumb a#@ you don't deserve a dog, let alone a yorkie.

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 3890525)

Most people on here are concerned about the pups, the pups come first on YT, thats what its all about, ADVOCATING FOR THE PUPS. Harsh advise and or admonishment is doled out in attempts to educate you and others who may come along and read the thread. There are many people here who are professionals, many people who are wonderful breeders and many people like myself who are simply experienced Yorkie owners, mods and admin, we are all here for the pups.

I can't count how many times someone comes on here and says I've been reading here a long time and just got my first Yorkie...then go on to complain that their dog is "too big", sickly, and describe all the red flags that were present... but purchased the pup anyway, all the things that had they read here, they should have known.

I wish I had known about Yorkie Talk before I purchased my Miss Mini from a Pet Store, as much as I love her, as much as I know I rescued her, as much as I have spent financially and emotionally, as much as I will miss her when shes gone, I WOULD NOT have purchased her.

Collectively, almost everyone on here is giving advice in order to better you as a Yorkie owner,so that your Yorkie is well cared for, and help aid anyone else who is reading to make good decisions. Some folks don't like to hear the truth because the truth is sometimes hard to hear.

People get heated up sometimes, because we are all passionate about the Yorkies, this is why we are here. Taking it personal? I remember I did a thread once when I was very very ill about canceling my pups appt at the vets. I got slammed, over and over again, I didn't get angry I thought "wow these people really care about these pups", I defended myself because I realized they didn't understand what I was trying to say, often the written word doesn't convey whats really going on. None the less, I did go to the vet!!!

Please don't expect true YT'ers to sit back and say "oh its ok you bought a teacup" "oh its ok you bought a puppy mill dog" "oh its ok you want to breed your great dane with your yorkie" etc., its not going to happen.

Most people see what the real intentions of the folks here are, we take our lumps cuz we know we deserve them, and because we respect those who have come before us!!! We stick around, like you because we know the true spirit of YT and although we sometimes have to take breaks, we come back because we all genuinely CARE AND WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR THE PUPS.

Originally Posted by shelimcallister (Post 3891501)

Very well said and I agree that most of the critisim I have seen is mostly because of one's passion for Yorkies. However, not everyone is capable of wording their advice so well (like you;)). It can be challenging to to write a post with an opposing opinion or view without sounding rude. Without the verbal intonation present, one's post could be perceived as harsh.

As a newbie, I have already noticed that there are many questions posted repeatedly (eg. "Is it a full breed?", "What food?"", "Breeder problems"). I assume that some of the frustration from the seasoned YTers could be due to the lack of effort of Yorkie owners to do their research. Many Yters have made mistakes and have dedicated their lives to stopping puppy mills and preserving the Yorkie breed. Over time, it is expected that one would become jaded. However, I do agree that we need to be respectful to one another and encourage others to educate the world on these issues.

Great thread and post!:D

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3891490)

This is the most civilized I've ever seen one of these kindness threads; usually they turn into huge fights! Good job ladies, we can debate and have differences, while still respecting others opinions.

Originally Posted by dawn27 (Post 3891709)

Give it time Nancy.... it's still early !! :D

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3891490)

This is the most civilized I've ever seen one of these kindness threads; usually they turn into huge fights! Good job ladies, we can debate and have differences, while still respecting others opinions.

Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3891711)

Seriously, I think this has been a great thread, people have not denied being rude, but have explained why they are sometimes, and I think that helps others be more understanding of a touch a rudeness now and then.

Originally Posted by Tayluvheryorkie (Post 3891931)

IMHO, It is all about the tone.. Direct or not, The tone in a persons message stands out.

The tone in a lot of the messages here are often condensing. I do way more reading than I do posting here for that reason alone. A lot of the time I am here reading a thread, and say to myself "Wow that was harsh". To be honest, I just have accepted it as the way everything is here, So before I ask a questions I go back years and research posts. The information is great here the other mess is just drama.

Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 3890483)

I wanted to post this to try and make some understand how people feel who come here and read about what they should and should not of done when purchasing their new puppy after the fact. I will state my experience hope it helps. When I was younger we had poms for pets and were very fortunate to have been sent to a show breeder who pampered them to get our babies...later many years later, I lost my father, closed my salon and all in a few months time and I was very lonely. My children suggested a yorkie and we started looking and asking. Noone we talked to could recommend anyone so there was sigh,,, the internet. That is how we found Laddy. I had never experienced a puppy mill before but when we drove 3 hours to pick him up I knew where he was raised was just wrongggggg. That being said I held this tiny sickly little guy in my arms and my hubby said he wasnt sure we should take him as he looked weak but I just knew he would die if I didnt. Some of you will say this was "enabling " the puppy mill owners and maybe it was to save his life but it was done from my heart. Fast forward....we bring Laddy home and the first night he won't eat or drink and is lethargic. You can find my paniced threads on here after I searched and searched on what to do for him and found YT. Thankfully back then people were not so judgemental and helped me get him over the hump and to a beautiful healthy dog. I did try to put a stop to the place who sold him to me but nothing worked as they are still in business. And yes laddy was only 9 weeks old when I brought him home I had no idea he should be older. I have said all this to say that if had been treated bad when I asked for help I dont know if I would of ever came back to YT again. I thoroughly enjoy all I learn here and that would of been a shame. Yes we all want honesty but sometimes a dose of kindness with it goes a very long way :). Anyway all my YT friends I love this place and just had to get this off my chest as I have gotten a couple pms from new people who thanked me for being kind and were very hurt at the responses they had recieved from others. Not to say I have always been kind, i have reread some of my responses and have spanked myself over the way I worded them also. God bless everyone hope this helps us all to try to educate with kindness.:)

Originally Posted by shelimcallister (Post 3891501)

Very well said and I agree that most of the critisim I have seen is mostly because of one's passion for Yorkies. However, not everyone is capable of wording their advice so well (like you;)). It can be challenging to to write a post with an opposing opinion or view without sounding rude. Without the verbal intonation present, one's post could be perceived as harsh.

As a newbie, I have already noticed that there are many questions posted repeatedly (eg. "Is it a full breed?", "What food?"", "Breeder problems"). I assume that some of the frustration from the seasoned YTers could be due to the lack of effort of Yorkie owners to do their research. Many Yters have made mistakes and have dedicated their lives to stopping puppy mills and preserving the Yorkie breed. Over time, it is expected that one would become jaded. However, I do agree that we need to be respectful to one another and encourage others to educate the world on these issues.

Great thread and post!:D

Originally Posted by nanahas3 (Post 3890483)

I wanted to post this to try and make some understand how people feel who come here and read about what they should and should not of done when purchasing their new puppy after the fact. I will state my experience hope it helps. When I was younger we had poms for pets and were very fortunate to have been sent to a show breeder who pampered them to get our babies...later many years later, I lost my father, closed my salon and all in a few months time and I was very lonely. My children suggested a yorkie and we started looking and asking. Noone we talked to could recommend anyone so there was sigh,,, the internet. That is how we found Laddy. I had never experienced a puppy mill before but when we drove 3 hours to pick him up I knew where he was raised was just wrongggggg. That being said I held this tiny sickly little guy in my arms and my hubby said he wasnt sure we should take him as he looked weak but I just knew he would die if I didnt. Some of you will say this was "enabling " the puppy mill owners and maybe it was to save his life but it was done from my heart. Fast forward....we bring Laddy home and the first night he won't eat or drink and is lethargic. You can find my paniced threads on here after I searched and searched on what to do for him and found YT. Thankfully back then people were not so judgemental and helped me get him over the hump and to a beautiful healthy dog. I did try to put a stop to the place who sold him to me but nothing worked as they are still in business. And yes laddy was only 9 weeks old when I brought him home I had no idea he should be older. I have said all this to say that if had been treated bad when I asked for help I dont know if I would of ever came back to YT again. I thoroughly enjoy all I learn here and that would of been a shame. Yes we all want honesty but sometimes a dose of kindness with it goes a very long way :). Anyway all my YT friends I love this place and just had to get this off my chest as I have gotten a couple pms from new people who thanked me for being kind and were very hurt at the responses they had recieved from others. Not to say I have always been kind, i have reread some of my responses and have spanked myself over the way I worded them also. God bless everyone hope this helps us all to try to educate with kindness.:)

Originally Posted by Tayluvheryorkie (Post 3891931)

IMHO, It is all about the tone.. Direct or not, The tone in a persons message stands out.

The tone in a lot of the messages here are often condensing. I do way more reading than I do posting here for that reason alone. A lot of the time I am here reading a thread, and say to myself "Wow that was harsh". To be honest, I just have accepted it as the way everything is here, So before I ask a questions I go back years and research posts. The information is great here the other mess is just drama.

Originally Posted by MommytoMiles (Post 3892104)

Please don't expect true YT'ers to sit back and say "oh its ok you bought a teacup" "oh its ok you bought a puppy mill dog" "oh its ok you want to breed your great dane with your yorkie" etc., its not going to happen. LMAO!!!! LITERALLY!! TOOOOO FUNNY.... And very true... Especially about the great dane #islandofdrmoreu. Would that even be possible.

Only time I got upset here and almost left the forum is when people were talking about racism / politics which are heated topics and have NOTHING to do with the care of Yorkies.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 3892113)

I wish, unless there is some type of personal attack on one, that we could accept the passion for the dogs that most posters here have and take the good advice about our little charges while focusing less on the tone of the words used and more on the help offered. Tone of written words can be a very subjective thing. More than anything, I see people bending over backward to withhold their true feelings and post help rather than trying to be mean. Sometimes it is so hard though when someone is posting page after page about their dog "acting okay" though it's been vomiting for three days and clearly the person is looking for a home remedy here rather than wanting to spend money at the vet. Sometimes one feels it is necessary to wake that dreamer up and get their attention when clearly nothing else is working. But the intent is not to hurt the feelings of the OP but speak in a direct fashion, since kinder, more gentler-worded posts are clearly not getting through.

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 3892113)

I wish, unless there is some type of personal attack on one, that we could accept the passion for the dogs that most posters here have and take the good advice about our little charges while focusing less on the tone of the words used and more on the help offered. Tone of written words can be a very subjective thing. More than anything, I see people bending over backward to withhold their true feelings and post help rather than trying to be mean. Sometimes it is so hard though when someone is posting page after page about their dog "acting okay" though it's been vomiting for three days and clearly the person is looking for a home remedy here rather than wanting to spend money at the vet. Sometimes one feels it is necessary to wake that dreamer up and get their attention when clearly nothing else is working. But the intent is not to hurt the feelings of the OP but speak in a direct fashion, since kinder, more gentler-worded posts are clearly not getting through.